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Shiftless · Jan 9, 2020

lugz:
Thanks for sharing your progress on that beautiful little baby. Good work. :beer:

Bagged: Great score on that vise and swivel stand. I admire your dedication to buying vises to resell at a profit.

Productbob · Jan 9, 2020

Lutz congrats on checking one off your to-do list! Hopefully the list isn't to long

Bagged Nice pickup: I would try and put that center stage in the living room and call it a piece of art

Productbob · Jan 9, 2020

first one of the year for me; nothing fancy or huge but a nice old Parker 204.

rusty65 · Jan 9, 2020

Private Lugnutz said:
Taking advantage of it being off the bench, here are some additional photos from perspectives I could not really properly show before.

That’s really a neat little vise. Definitely made by Parker. That’s a better then a baby Wilton and a prentiss jewelers vise combined.

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wrenchguy · Jan 9, 2020

Is 2 screw retainers common on the smallest CP's?

txlonghorn1989 · Jan 9, 2020

Lugz, I missed your thread on the jeweler's bench and vise. That is a very cool little vise. Persistence and patience wins the day, year!

Bagged, that vise and stand looks friggin' awesome! Too bad you're selling it but I bet it's gonna pay for some other nice goodies.

Pbob, great looking Parker. What's the width of the jaws on the 204?

ale · Jan 9, 2020

How about this one

txlonghorn1989 · Jan 9, 2020

That's bee-ute-a-full ale!!! Is that an original Parker stand? How old is it? First time I've seen one. Very cool!

ale · Jan 9, 2020

Think it’s a prototype

txlonghorn1989 · Jan 10, 2020

ale said:
Think it’s a prototype

New prototype or old prototype?

ale · Jan 10, 2020

Shiftless · Jan 10, 2020

ale:
That’s a fantastic set up. :beer:

The big swivel handle would certainly get in the way though.

Major coincidence... When I first saw your post, I was drinking an Anchor Steam Christmas ALE

Private Lugnutz · Jan 10, 2020

Thanks, Tex, Shiftless, Productbob (no, the list is not too long, mainly toolboxes to refinish and an antique under-hood car heater), and Outlaw!

There are a couple construction features that stripping 100 years of grime, light surface rust and patina (an unfortunate and undesirable consequence of wanting that danged pin out...) revealed that now puzzle me.

The first feature is a pin in the upper corners of the body just below the edge of the swivel jaw. It traverses the body and terminates on both sides. One end is more visible than the other. Or perhaps its two different pins, one in each corner. (See Pics 1 & 2)

The second one is a pock mark dead center in the top of the swivel jaw. I have no doubt that it is located in a line dead center to the swivel (or pivot) pin under the swivel jaw. The swivel or pivot pin is round and about 5/8" O.D. and it has a similar center mark. The swivel/pivot had to be cast into the jaw when the jaw was made, right? But the mark is obviously a manufacturing artifact, left by a jig or a die etc, marking dead center of the pivot on the top of the swivel jaw. I just can't reckon why. (See Pics 3 & 4)

akasrick · Jan 10, 2020

Private Lugnutz said:
The second one is a pock mark dead center in the top of the swivel jaw. I have no doubt that it is located in a line dead center to the swivel (or pivot) pin under the swivel jaw. The swivel or pivot pin is round and about 5/8" O.D. and it has a similar center mark. The swivel/pivot had to be cast into the jaw when the jaw was made, right? But the mark is obviously a manufacturing artifact, left by a jig or a die etc, marking dead center of the pivot on the top of the swivel jaw. I just can't reckon why. (See Pics 3 & 4)

Poxxibly what I believe is called a "dimple" which is what is left over from a Vent;
Small opening or passage through which gases can escape during the pouring of a mold. It is alco called a vent hole.

akasrick

txlonghorn1989 · Jan 10, 2020

Guys,
I've got a line on my first Wilton bullet (?) vise. Owner says it's damaged but I need some thoughts/advice on how/whether to proceed. I opened a new thread if you don't mind helping...link

Thanks!

Private Lugnutz · Jan 10, 2020

rusty65 said:
That’s better then a baby Wilton and a Prentiss jewelers vise combined.

That's quite the fabulous assessment, Rusty. Sorry I missed this on my first pass. I appreciate it.

akasrick said:
Poxxibly what I believe is called a "dimple" which is what is left over from a Vent; Small opening or passage through which gases can escape during the pouring of a mold. It is alco called a vent hole.

Hmm. Maybe. Why would it be placed dead center over the swivel pin on the bottom of the jaw?

I am convinced it has something to do with the swivel pin. As is sometimes the case, the photograph actually allows me to see better than the naked eye that there appears to be an area of material in a circular pattern around the dimple. Not quite as wide as the pivot pin on the bottom of the jaw. Is it possible the pivot pin was welded or otherwise cast into this jaw after the jaw was made?

Private Lugnutz · Jan 10, 2020

I think I answered at least one of my own questions doing some searching on the thread.

The mystery "pin" in the upper corner of the body of my little Chas. Parker made jewelers' vise, near the edge of the swivel jaw, appears to be the location of a pin (or perhaps a button?) on some models. I am guessing to release the swivel jaw?

The thumbnail is a Chas. Parker owned by kenc184. It shows a pin or button located exactly where there is a round area of steel different than the body on mine, like a pin that was cut off and made flush, or a hole for one filled in. He posted more photos in this thread here.

I am hoping kenc184 sees this and chimes in with an explanation for what that pin/button is. Or anyone with a Chas. Parker swivel jaw vise with that pin/button in place. Perhaps the swivel jaw on mine is not meant to be completely removed? Maybe that's why there is only the hint of where a pin/button normally goes.

And while they are confirming that conjecture, would they also please see if there is a dimple on the top of the swivel jaw directly over the swivel pin, too.

EDIT: Slaps self on forehead... Okay, after thinking about this a little longer, I am starting to think that IS the remains of a pin and a PO (perhaps the antique jeweler who owned the antique workbench!) sheered the pin off inside the body of the vise and finished it off flush. Now I am wondering if I should try to drive it out with a drive pin punch. It probably wouldn't need to have a protruding end to work as intended (inside the channel of the swivel pin/boss), it would just have to be re-inserted and left short inside the pin hole on the other side.

akasrick · Jan 10, 2020

Private Lugnutz said:
I am convinced it has something to do with the swivel pin. As is sometimes the case, the photograph actually allows me to see better than the naked eye that there appears to be an area of material in a circular pattern around the dimple. Not quite as wide as the pivot pin on the bottom of the jaw. Is it possible the pivot pin was welded or otherwise cast into this jaw after the jaw was made?

Not knowing anything about the foundry process, and assuming it is a venting artifact this maybe the reason fot the circular depression.
"Vent Wax
Wax in rod shape placed in the core during manufacture. In the oven the wax is melted out, leaving a vent or passage.'
I couldn't even guess if the defects(?) would run for every casting.
My 2 cents, which leave me short of a dollar.

Sincerely
akasrick

lynn225 · Jan 10, 2020

Outlawmws said:
...Lynn, 255, I would just make a jaw for that Fullton. its a basic rectangular shape; you can drill and tap a couple of holes to mount the jaw...

That's exactly what I will do.

jrobb316, PghJKB and Outlawmws ... Thanks for the input!

Outlawmws · Jan 10, 2020

Lugz, if you get the D jaw out of the way, will the swivel jaw swing out and off? If not that is a retaining pin for the Swivel jaw. Remove that pin and the S jaw will fall out.

Those are the two most common retention methods for the S jaws. Either a pin, or it "swings out" and disengages...

Mslund1 · Jan 10, 2020

Found my first vise score of 2020 today.

This little 3 1/2 jaw Oswego Tool Co 23 1/2

There isn’t much info on this maker, some speculation that they made products for other mfgs. I believe sawyer acquired them at some point. This one looks very “Colombian esque” to me, aside from the details on top of the jaws and the swivel lock handle.

Either way, a nice stout little vise in great shape. Under the dynamic jaw behind the spindle is stamped “51”. I’m guess that to be a date stamp?

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galdy · Jan 10, 2020

Mark in Indiana said:
In my experience, Date codes are a hit & miss with FPU vises.

You should find a model number on the nut.

Finished this one. My first one so I learned a lot along the way

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galdy · Jan 10, 2020

slowtwitch73 said:
They are heavy duty but you can't be ham fisted with them. Gibs need to be adjusted properly. Don't bang on the anvil flat with the moveable jaw too far open..

I went with spray paint because I could get the color i wanted. 2 coats of primer paint and clear coat

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Productbob · Jan 10, 2020

txlonghorn the 204 has 4" wide jaws and a single piece "brake shoe" to bind the static to the swivel.

ms nice pick up on the 23 1/2.

Smitty · Jan 10, 2020

My uncle has a country place
That no one knows about
He says it used to be a farm
Before the motor law

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Vise · Jan 10, 2020

Lugz -if you mean that pin that goes from one side of the vise to the other, that is how all of the Parker swivel jaw vises attach the swivel jaw. You can theoretically punch it out, which would allow you to remove the swivel jaw, but i personally wouldn’t mess with it, especially with all the trouble you had removing the swivel pin.

thin_concrete · Jan 10, 2020

Smitty said:
My uncle has a country place
That no one knows about
He says it used to be a farm
Before the motor law

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Very nicely done! I was born in Elyria, so I guess I have to get a Ridge now!

Private Lugnutz · Jan 10, 2020

Outlawmws said:
Lugz, if you get the D jaw out of the way, will the swivel jaw swing out and off? If not that is a retaining pin for the Swivel jaw. Remove that pin and the S jaw will fall out.

Vise said:
Lugz -if you mean that pin that goes from one side of the vise to the other, that is how all of the Parker swivel jaw vises attach the swivel jaw.

Thanks, guys. It seems obvious now. But two years ago I couldn't even see the pin and nobody said anything about it "missing" when I showed the first set of pictures when it was still on the bench. And when I saw examples of other Parker swivel vises, it wasn't flush, it had a protruding head. But still, I should've put 2 and 2 together.

Indexmill · Jan 10, 2020

Smitty said:
My uncle has a country place
That no one knows about
He says it used to be a farm
Before the motor law

That Ridge is f*cking beautiful.

kenc184 · Jan 11, 2020

Lugnutz: The others beat me to it, yup, it retains the swivel jaw.

Smitty: That really is a work of art!

Shiftless · Jan 11, 2020

Smitty:

EXCELLENT WORK!

I love the color. Is it Rustoleum Regal red or ???

It’s a beautiful vise, but it definitely won’t float like a little red boat.

Whatever the name of the color, you did a magnificent job smoothing and polishing. :beer:

Mark in Indiana · Jan 11, 2020

galdy said:
Finished this one. My first one so I learned a lot along the way

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Very good looking restoration.
:thumbup:

Private Lugnutz · Jan 11, 2020

kenc184 said:
Lugnutz: The others beat me to it, yup, it retains the swivel jaw.

Thanks.

If you would, though, please inspect the top of your swivel jaw carefully. Is there a dimple dead center (and dead center to the center of the swivel boss underneath)? Is there any material in a perfectly round shape around that center mark on the top of the swivel jaw? And finally, would you (or anyone else) please care to comment on my question/conjecture about the possibility of the swivel jaw being bored or cast with a bore and the swivel boss piece being integrated after the swivel jaw was cast? Again, I would've assumed the swivel boss was cast with the jaw when the jaw was cast. But that dead center mark being perfectly dead center with the swivel boss, and the round area around the center mark at the top, has me wondering.

Vise said:
You can theoretically punch it out, which would allow you to remove the swivel jaw, but i personally wouldn’t mess with it, especially with all the trouble you had removing the swivel pin.

Sound reasoning and advice, Vise, but my desire to put this little baby back into its original condition got the best of me.

I did have one small issue, but here are the results.

BFBOB · Jan 11, 2020

Lugz, thanks for the disassembled photo - I was having trouble visualizing the swiveling mechanism! In your photo it looks to me like the swivel boss (the grooved cylinder) is a separate piece from the swiveling jaw. Machining it out of a single casting would be difficult/time consuming. You should be able to see circumfrential machining marks on the flat underside of the swiveling jaw if it was done that way. I think it more likely it's in two pieces, pinned together.
From a manufacturing standpoint, I think the best way would be to turn down the upper part of the boss to form a smaller pin, then insert into the dynamic jaw with a heat/chill fit. Insertion would be very easy, and the face left by turning down the upper part would eliminate having to carefully gauge the depth of insertion.
Just my WAG.

Smitty · Jan 11, 2020

That’s my Red Barchetta posted in honor of Neil Peart.

Smitty · Jan 11, 2020

Lugz, that little Parker is a thing of beauty.

Private Lugnutz · Jan 11, 2020

BFBOB: Thank you for that explanation. That makes perfect sense to me and justifies the dead center dimple on the top. I couldn't see any separation between the swivel boss and the jaw, so they did a very tight and tidy job of mating them.

Smitty said:
Lugz, that little Parker is a thing of beauty.

Thank you, sir!

Fierljeppen · Jan 11, 2020

So, are we calling this a Parker vise no. 316? Really special vise! Glad to see one out there.

Private Lugnutz · Jan 11, 2020

Fierljeppen said:
So, are we calling this a Parker vise no. 316?

I will be from now on!

Thanks for posting that. Curious, though, how the fixed base figure is not showing a swivel jaw retainer pin, but the swivel base figure is.

Smitty · Jan 11, 2020

Here’s something you don’t see everyday 9-47.

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