To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

White/Pinkish blotch on my Epoxy Coat floor

Perry H

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 19, 2008
Messages
69
I put this floor down approximately a month ago. Everything went perfectly and it looked great. I got the batch from my local Lowes.

Yesterday I found an area (approximately 1 to 1.5 feet square) that looked like someone had let an incompletely washed out paint brush leak and dry. It looked like it would wipe up easily, but after going at it (in this order) with water, mineral spirits, acetone, carb cleaner, and a razor blade, I have concluded that the epoxy has chemically reacted with something.

The white area is just a strong as the epoxy. It feels like epoxy except that it is ever so slightly raised. It is as if whatever was there actually swelled the epoxy slightly and made it blush. Sliding a razor blade across it to make it level just reveals that the epoxy underneath (level with the rest of the floor) is white too, so this isn't just something sitting on top of my floor.

What in the world could have done this?

I checked with the contractors that were working on my house and as I suspected everything they have is water based paint. I can't imagine that having this effect. The only other thing they had in the area was drywall compound.

At some point previously there may have been a bag of potting soil sitting in this spot, and the pattern of the white spot looks to me like the pattern that a wet piece of plastic makes when placed against a water tight surface (areas of contact with the surface with interspersed pockets of air). I don't think it the bag was damp, but it could have been.

The only source of moisture I can think of would have been if our cat peed on it. Can cat pee react with epoxy? (if so I need to know because I was considering putting the cat's litter box out there).

If not, what does react with epoxy that makes something that looks like this?

(Pictures coming in next post after I get them resized for the board/forum to make them acceptable attachments.)

This is the room ... it is a utility room in my basement...
attachment.php


These are the pictures of the spot (ignore the encapsulated moth - that was the one flaw in the whole floor before this spot appeared)

attachment.php

attachment.php

attachment.php

attachment.php

attachment.php

attachment.php
 

Attachments

  • IMG_1329_rs.jpg
    IMG_1329_rs.jpg
    29.4 KB · Views: 540
  • IMG_1319_rs.jpg
    IMG_1319_rs.jpg
    28.2 KB · Views: 539
  • IMG_1320_rs.jpg
    IMG_1320_rs.jpg
    25 KB · Views: 525
  • IMG_1321_rs.jpg
    IMG_1321_rs.jpg
    20.4 KB · Views: 517
  • IMG_1322_rs.jpg
    IMG_1322_rs.jpg
    26.5 KB · Views: 521
  • IMG_1323_rs.jpg
    IMG_1323_rs.jpg
    24.8 KB · Views: 521
  • IMG_1324_rs.jpg
    IMG_1324_rs.jpg
    21.3 KB · Views: 519
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!
OP
P

Perry H

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 19, 2008
Messages
69
Two more...

attachment.php

attachment.php
 

Attachments

  • IMG_1325_rs.jpg
    IMG_1325_rs.jpg
    25.9 KB · Views: 511
  • IMG_1326_rs.jpg
    IMG_1326_rs.jpg
    27.2 KB · Views: 506

Edger

Well-known member
Joined
May 18, 2011
Messages
623
Location
Melbourne Australia
Wow, I had a good look at those and I cannot think of anything. Very smart to use the blade. Just looks like the epoxy has reacted with something and swollen and discolored. Never saw an epoxy change color before other than browning in sunlight. Cannot be in the mix or it would appear all over the floor. Only suggestion - stick a mat over it and put the cat box there! Sorry, can't offer any suggestions.
 

rugerlady

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 15, 2008
Messages
1,378
Location
Michigan
WOW! never saw anything like that before. Definitely not cat urine. We have alot of kennels and vetrinarian offices using our product. Call me, we need to discuss this in depth and try to figure out what caused this.
I have seen floors cloud and get white from having moisture on it during curing...how long has the floor been down? I have a million questions to ask about this!
 
Last edited:
OP
P

Perry H

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 19, 2008
Messages
69
I put the floor down on May 23rd.

Post (or PM me) the best number to reach you at and I'll be happy to call and discuss.

I didn't think cat urine would to this, but that is about all I could think of.

How about yard fertilizer? I don't think there was any, but I'm grasping at straws. Maybe my wife sat the bag of potting soil in the yard (which is treated by a lawn service) and then I put the bag on the floor. It would have been pretty diluted though. And... that same bag had been on my garage floor for over a year previously. That floor also has 100% solids epoxy on it (not Epoxy Coat - I did that one before you guys started posting on the forum).
 
OP
P

Perry H

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 19, 2008
Messages
69
Also, I still have about a third of the batch left. I just looked and didn't see any serial numbers on the cans. If it was on the lid of the mixing bucket, I probably threw that away.

The batch was purchased at the Woodstock, GA Lowes the same week I put it down.

Like I said... it looked great when I put it down and all while I was putting up the pegboard. I don't suspect that the batch was bad. This was my third 100% solids epoxy install and this one looked better than the other two before it. I think something reacted with the epoxy after the fact ... but I have no idea what. I'd like to know so that I can hopefully keep this from happening again.
 

Wingnut65

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 21, 2010
Messages
3,170
Location
Tampa Bay, FL
It almost looks like the portion on the right had a plastic bag sitting and the irregularities from the voids under the bag. But its hard to tell if the liquid came from IN the bag leaking out, or from ON the leaking under. Just a thought...

How long does epoxy you used have to cure before it becomes resistant to chemicals?
 
OP
P

Perry H

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 19, 2008
Messages
69
I don't know that I put any chemicals on it at all, but I didn't put anything in the room until after I put pegboard up. That was at least a week later - if not longer.
 

darkk

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 24, 2009
Messages
3,361
Location
Willimantic, Ct.
The straight line grid pattern looks a lot like the steel mesh used in the concrete itself when poured. Maybe moisture working its way up from under the concrete? No matter how you look at it, probably going to have to cut that section out and scrape it. Did you do a moisture test patch before coating the floor?

attachment.php
 
OP
P

Perry H

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 19, 2008
Messages
69
I can actually cut down far enough to find gray epoxy. If it was coming from the bottom it would likely be white throughout.

I think the grid pattern is a seam and folds from a plastic bag. I will wet it and sit it on a piece of plexiglass tonight and look from the bottom to see if I get a similar pattern.

How about Round Up concentrate (the weedkiller)? There is a bottle of that in the room. I don't think it leaked (it would have ruined a lot of other things on its way down if it did), but I'm just throwing it out there. Actually, I can test that. I've got the roller that I applied this floor with in a pool of epoxy stuck to some cardboard. I can apply Round Up to that and watch what happens over a few days.
 

darkk

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 24, 2009
Messages
3,361
Location
Willimantic, Ct.
I'm really curious what caused this to happen. Please be sure to post your findings to save someone else from the same issues...
 

Wingnut65

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 21, 2010
Messages
3,170
Location
Tampa Bay, FL
I'm still on the idea that it may be the cat urine and a plastic bag. I didn't mean to infer that you had put chemicals on it in any way, but cat urine is loaded with acids that may react to epoxy that is not fully cured.

I don't think the lines are the welded wire fabric in the concrete. That is woven over - under - over - under. These lines don't show any evidence of a cross pattern.

One thing we can narrow down, was there a plastic bag in that area? If there was, the straight lines may have been something in the bag.
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!
OP
P

Perry H

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 19, 2008
Messages
69
Okay...

I've narrowed things down to one of two possibilities.

The mark definitely resulted from a chemical that came into contact with the surface of the epoxy. It did not come from the bottom up.

There was a sprinkling can hanging over this area that I thought was dry before I hung it up there. Turns out there was something in it. I'm just not sure what. It either had: 1) Round Up - likely very concentrated Round Up, or 2) Whatever etching agent that my friend used to do his epoxy floor. I loaned the can to him and I don't know if I used it since he gave it back. If I did use it, it was to apply round up to my yard.

I know it came out of this can because there was an additional spot directly underneath the sprinkling end of it. The larger spot was the result of the liquid coming out of the end of the sprinkling can and, instead of dropping, flowing back along the surface of the can and eventually dripping off of the bottom of it onto a plastic bag of potting soil.
 

jhelrey

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 15, 2010
Messages
7,284
Location
MN
It looks like something was in a cardboard box or a plastic bag, laid on the floor in that spot, and something leaked under it and around it.
 
OP
P

Perry H

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 19, 2008
Messages
69
I confirmed that whatever was in the sprinkling can made the mess.

There was a minuscule amount left and I put it on a sample of Epoxy Master I had left over from my garage install (note - not Epoxy Coat) and even that little bit swelled the cured for 2 years 100% solids epoxy. It didn't turn it white, but I think that is because I didn't have enough left to make a pool of it.

I think the offending liquid is Round Up concentrate. I will attempt to confirm that next.
 

rugerlady

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 15, 2008
Messages
1,378
Location
Michigan
I am finding this very interesting too. Glad its not our product, but I am going to speak with our chemist about certain chemicals like the roundup.
 
OP
P

Perry H

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 19, 2008
Messages
69
As a final update...

After messing around with full power Round Up on the floor, I think the theories about the blushing occurring because the epoxy wasn't fully cured were correct.

I can't get the Round Up to do anything as nasty to the floor as what my pictures show above. It merely partially removes the gloss. So... the moral of the story is to be very careful with your new floors until they have had time to cure.

I certainly didn't mean to spill this junk on my floor. I didn't even know that the sprinkle can I put in there had residue in it.
 

thegarageguy

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 24, 2007
Messages
1,489
Location
NJ
looks to me like a spill after or during it's curing....from the pics, looks like paint and something else with an obvious grid pattern fell on it.

Grid patterns are not a natural occurrence. Either Perry H isn't telling us the whole story or someone working in the garage after his application isn't coming clean.
 

pd59

Active member
Joined
Aug 24, 2011
Messages
31
Location
Texas
Okay...

I've narrowed things down to one of two possibilities.

The mark definitely resulted from a chemical that came into contact with the surface of the epoxy. It did not come from the bottom up.

There was a sprinkling can hanging over this area that I thought was dry before I hung it up there. Turns out there was something in it. I'm just not sure what. It either had: 1) Round Up - likely very concentrated Round Up, or 2) Whatever etching agent that my friend used to do his epoxy floor. I loaned the can to him and I don't know if I used it since he gave it back. If I did use it, it was to apply round up to my yard.

I know it came out of this can because there was an additional spot directly underneath the sprinkling end of it. The larger spot was the result of the liquid coming out of the end of the sprinkling can and, instead of dropping, flowing back along the surface of the can and eventually dripping off of the bottom of it onto a plastic bag of potting soil.

High-strength muratic acid could definetly stain a floor like that, if left long enough. Epoxy is impermiable, but strong acids (muratic, citric, sulphiric) can and will react to discolor and even damage epoxy finishes. This is why they use urethane mortar floors and novolac enhanced epoxies in food plants and kitchens.
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!
Top Bottom