Maybe we should talk to Ryan about creating a rule regarding this? There was another thread on here within the last week about this very issue. Is there agreement among the membership about what they want to see?
I am in contact with one of the members mentioned above, working to whittle down his number of listings.
I will bring up the issue with Ryan re: a rule about combining threads.
We continue to try to be vigilant about the bump rule. But, we are not on here 24-7. For example, I have been outside working all day, and only have a few minutes before I have to go and take care of some other stuff around the house.
I guess I am guilty of that... I made two seperate threads around the same time, one for socket sets and one for a wrench set, both snap on. After I had posted the socket sets I realized I had forgot to include the wrenches.. I thought editing the original post would have been violating the rule of "bumping" the thread so I created a new one. Sorry if that was not the way to go...
I think it works better that way. Then you don't have 15 conversations all going at once in the same thread only to skim all of it over only to find the last post saying one of the items is sold. Once the Item is sold it should be marked in the Title of that thread so you don't have to read through pages of **** just to see if something is still available.
Of course I also think that Members being able to post in other members For Sale Ads is ridiculous.
All of the talking should be done via PM then marked as sold when it is actually sold instead of wondering if the person responding actually made the deal. The only other posts in the For Sale Ad would be "sold" or "bump".
For Example...
1/4" Snap-On Ratchet for Sale Part Number #1234567 Price: $20
Description and pictures here...
3 day bump...
Sold!!!
Then add "***SOLD***" to the Title of the thread so people don't even have to open the thread to KNOW that it is sold. The Thread is locked and works it's way to the bottom of the site because nobody can post in it anymore.
Ads with 3-4 pages of posting between members and 50 different Items is just asinine. It makes no sense whatsoever. There is no reason for it. take it to PM and keep the clutter out of the Classifieds. Much easier to Moderate also.
Again this is just my 2¢ though.
100% ^
Buuuuuuuut....
If you have 20 things for sale it is hard for people to keep tabs without carefully reading the entire thread. You may see something listed then on the next page it is sold or pending payment. Why does anyone want to know if a payment is pending? When the Item is sold it should be posted and the thread locked so it returns to the bottom of the Forum.
I just think it is a really messy way to run Classifieds. It does not take up any more space to run separate Ads. A few Items in each For Sale Ad and when they are sold it is easy to tell. Not going through 3 pages of bartering to get to the 3rd page only to find that the item on the first page has been sold finally after payment was pending then they flaked then somebody else said they wanted it only to have them not buy the thing either. Oh yeah still for sale... Why all the mess and clutter? It just doesn't make sense to me one iota.
Mods....Don't take this the wrong way either. I think this site is great! Or I wouldn't be here. Bar none, a really good site. I have just seen other ways of running little things like the Classifieds and with a set of simple rules it can be REALLY easy to Moderate. Easy to Navigate for Members and free of clutter. If you think about a Forum it is in a sense Archiving of information. The more posts within the Classifieds the more space it takes up.
Still solely my opinion on the matter and just trying to help out a bit. =)
Can't even reach an agreement here, among a tiny sampling, of what should happen. Must be the mods' fault.
Send a PM to Ryan. If he takes action, there ya go. If not, then....?
Can't even reach an agreement here, among a tiny sampling, of what should happen. Must be the mods' fault.
Send a PM to Ryan. If he takes action, there ya go. If not, then....?
Can't even reach an agreement here, among a tiny sampling, of what should happen. Must be the mods' fault.
Send a PM to Ryan. If he takes action, there ya go. If not, then....?
Send a PM to Ryan. If he takes action, there ya go. If not, then....?
I hate to think that there has to be a rule about this... It just seems like common courtesy to me. But, ok... There is a rule now.
Well Dave, good advice kind of. Stepping out on a limb- I dont think Ryan wants and/or needs PMs of clarification or stupid questions. That's what he has you and a few others for. Read up in the FAQ section on what a moderator is. It may be from the forum software setup (standard defs) but if he wanted that definition changed he could have done so. I read it.
The problem I have personally with the mods, you mostly, is that you have a ****** attitude when I do bring something up here or in a PM. That's a problem. You do tell people as you just did me- 'if you dont like it'. That's piss-poor!
I have PM'd Ryan once and got no response, so that is my response. I didnt really expect one and I dont plan on doing it again. I have had some good mod experience here and some other piss-poor. I respond to the piss-poor and got that worked out to my satisfaction. With you, it just remains the same.
If you go here: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=904782&postcount=66
you can find YOUR answer over a year ago. However, if you go here: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94319
you will find the real RULES, not your modified set of rules. In the REAL rules you will see that there are no rules on the subject that is the OP of this thread. So..... your verbose on the issue is just that. Perhaps, YOU should send Ryan a PM and then you will know what he wants to do. If he does nothing (or does not respond to you at all) you'll understand what he means by that or
My apologies in advance if YOU are offended or anyone else standing by. I agree with your modified rules, but you need to handle that as you tell everyone else to do! I dont think jack **** is the 'mods' fault but your attitude is your fault. I'll accept that I'm having a bad day and that most of my communication with you ends in a poor result. You never accept it. You just respond with sarcasm, do-nothing attitude and pass back a lecture about how we all need to look inward. It's okay to be wrong Bull.
I think You do a fine upstanding job at your volunteer position here at the GJ. I really do. As a moderator your personal opinions are not relevant to the job you do. When a suggestion comes up you dont personally like, nobody cares, nor should they. Only if it is relevant to the forum as a whole, should we care. If you dont like my opinion as a 'member', you can pass or respond as a member, but you choose what you enforce as I cited earlier by the rule you enforce that is NOT a rule at all. Make it so.
OT: One link above is about "No replies unless pertinent to ad".
Ryan has ruled on this and it's NOT being enforced. There is to be no chit chat, whether anyone 'feels' its ok. It's an issue relevant to the bumping issue and not about whether 'shipping was great' or 'nice packaging'. I send PM's to guys all the time for doing this as it's a PITA and bumps threads. I dont know what you are doing about it. Maybe you are working hard on it. All I am saying is it is rampant once again. I'm not citing anyone badgering about prices, I am citing chit-chat. Ryan said no chit chat, period. The phrase in bold above, came from Ryans' keyboard! There's your answer. Keep up the good work.
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