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New SK wrench set just arrived - Review and Pics. UPDATED!

IMPORTANT UPDATE 9/19/2011-
I assumed these wrenches were new production, because Advance Auto Parts never carried SK hand tools on their website before. After they added them to the website, I had to wait a month or two until this wrench set was listed as "In Stock." That made me believe that these were tools produced by the "new" SK owned by Ideal.

I was wrong! :eyecrazy:

I called SK today and asked them about it. They told me the 86040 wrench set (which is this one) is being produced now and won't be available to ship until the end of October.

Long story short: Advance Auto Parts got these wrenches from a distributor that still had "old" SK tools in stock.

Take this review with a grain of salt, because these wrenches were not produced by the new SK. That may explain the few quality issues, as the old SK had quality control problems before they went under.



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Background and ordering

I've been wanting a long SK metric wrench set. I wanted to make sure I got wrenches from an official SK distributor, so I would be getting wrenches from the "new" SK from Ideal, instead of old stock leftover in a warehouse.

I ordered the 86040 wrench set from Advance Auto Parts. They are a new distributor and didn't list the 86040 wrench set as available until just over a week ago. Advance's normal prices are competitive with other retailers, but if you use their ridiculous discount codes, they are just about the cheapest official distributor. The regular price is $158 + tax.

Member BMWpower had a thread not long before SK went under when they were having some significant quality control problems. Some of the problems he mentioned are still present on these wrenches.

First impressions

The wrench set arrived today. The box was well packaged. The wrenches had come out of place and were knocking around in the tray, but they're all there.
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The chrome is overall quite good. The wrenches had the normal water spots from the factory (which I've noticed on multiple brands of wrenches). I cleaned them with some solvent and they shine very well.
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The open and box ends all seem to be properly formed. In BMWpower's thread, some of the open ends weren't punched properly.
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The negatives


These wrenches do have some quality control issues.

There are a quite a few areas where there are flaws in the metal underneath the chrome. These appear as small scratches or rust spots. Less than half the wrenches have at least one or two small imperfections under the chrome.
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The 15mm seems to have not been properly polished. The entire wrench is covered in small flaws. Look where the light is reflecting off the chrome and you'll see the many small flaws.
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The smaller wrenches bulge out where the name and size are stamped. This is a problem the old SK wrenches had also. If you run your finger along the sides of the beam, you can feel where the wrenches deformed as the name and size were stamped. It seems they are stamping them too hard, and deforming the metal. The 9mm is by far the worst, as it was improperly stamped.
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The 9mm wrench, as noted above, is improperly stamped. The name is off center, the wrench bulges out a lot in the center and the wrench is bent. I put it next to a straight edge to attempt to show the bend. It is sort of bowed. It seems when the machine mis-stamped the word "SK", it also bent the middle of the wrench down.
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Overall

I can only assume that these are wrenches from the "new" SK shipped from Ideal. I assume that's the case because I bought them from a new distributor that never carried SK until it was relaunched this year. However, I suppose these could be old stock that ideal acquired when they purchased SK out of bankruptcy.

These wrenches appear high quality, but they definitely aren't perfect. I can't comment on the long-term durability, but the other SK hand tools I have held up great. Unless Ideal has somehow cut quality in a way I can't see, then I would expect these to hold up as well.

I may contact SK and see about getting the 9mm and 15mm wrench replaced, as they have defects.
 
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Re: NEW SK wrench set just arrived - Review and pics

Here are some additional pics
 
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That is a bummer for sure, the tray they came in looks just like the trays Matcos used to come in, not sure if they still do.
 

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How much were they?

That will be the deciding factor in whether or not these flaws are even significant.

As far as I am concerned the negatives involved with the finish imperfections are a non issue as I have yet to find a tool set without some kind of imperfection whether it is Snap On or Harbor Freight. A mistamped logo is not too much to be concerned with either. These things happen all the time, tools or whatever, and it is not a quality control issue since that is probably not what is quality tested on a wrench. I would think length and how well it fits the proper fastener would come first.

It appears they are 159 on Amazon so that may be a little bit high for what you get. Still though, US made. I would probably still buy them if I wanted something a bit better than GearWrench or CMan.
 
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How much were they?

With a discount code they were $118 after tax. The shipping was free.

How are these compared to craftsman raised panel as far as lengthwise?

Top to bottom:
Craftsman raised panel 12mm
SK long pattern 12mm
Proto Anti-Slip 12mm

SK standard pattern 11mm
SK long pattern 11mm

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Awesome! I'm pumped for the new SK tools. Thank you for ordering and doing this very complete review for us.

We need a HOT DEALS thread for SK tool sets and the discount codes!
 

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Interesting info!!

I just pulled out my 17mm SK combination wrench from pre-Ideal SK and it was flawless. Then i pulled out my SO 5/8" combination wrench and it had minor pitting marks right where the handle angles up to meet the closed end.
However it's next door neighbor the 9/16" did not show this pitting.

Neither of these wrenches has had much wear. Maybe we're just looking too close.
 

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I recently purchased some SK and found similar issues. Nothing that would effect the usability of the wrenches or be considered "defective", but definitely seemed as if there was a lack of care in the finishing process.

At first I was dissapointed, but after some research, it seemed that was the norm for SK wrenches. It was just surprising to me because of the reputation that SK has for great chrome and great tools.

I can live with underpolished spots or surface imperfections, but when it comes to stamping the name off center, and taking so little care that you severely deform the wrench body during the stamping process, I really have to wonder about the reliability of the tool as a whole.

I was a bit dissapointed to have purchased a brand that touts "SuperKrome", and find that the finish was, honestly, inferior to my China made Gearwrench sets... and it wasn't anywhere close to my Taiwan made Gearwrench stuff. I'm someone who takes good care of my chrome, in the interest of the longevity and corrosion resistance of my tools, and it is disappointing to have my tools come from the factory with chrome that is already compromised.

In a way it was worse with the sets that I got, because a couple of the tools in the sets were nothing short of beautiful, while others were unimpressive. It stinks



That experience is the main reason I'm so stuck on Wright now... every single tool that I've gotten from them looks like it was a one-off custom, and was gone over with a fine-tooth comb. None of them are perfect either, but they just have that look and feel of "I really care about my product".
 

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i could care less about pin sized pitting of the metal pre-chroming personaly. I bet a lot of my wrenches [multiple brands inc Cornwell/SO/Armstrong/Cman Pro] have it but i havent taken a magnifying glass to them to notice. The bowing/mushrooming of the beam though, that seems a bit careless and should be corrected.

At first I was dissapointed, but after some research, it seemed that was the norm for SK wrenches. It was just surprising to me because of the reputation that SK has for great chrome and great tools.

I've personally never held SK to unrealistic standards although i believe a few others have. During the decade prior to their closing they never made what i'd call showroom tools. They were simply good looking tools that did their job at an affordable price [comparative to truck tools]. I just never saw them as worth the premium over Cman Pro where Cman pro could be competitive. But since Cman Pro is dead SK sort of has a monopoly for new tools in that price range i'd gladly recommend them to anyone despite their faults. All brands can have issues and quite honestly the affordability aspect trumps any minor cosmetic issues like the ones posted here in my opinion.
 
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i could care less about pin sized pitting of the metal pre-chroming personaly. I bet a lot of my wrenches [multiple brands inc Cornwell/SO/Armstrong/Cman Pro] have it but i havent taken a magnifying glass to them to notice. The bowing/mushrooming of the beam though, that seems a bit careless and should be corrected.



I've personally never held SK to unrealistic standards although i believe a few others have. During the decade prior to their closing they never made what i'd call showroom tools. They were simply good looking tools that did their job at an affordable price [comparative to truck tools]. I just never saw them as worth the premium over Cman Pro where Cman pro could be competitive. But since Cman Pro is dead SK sort of has a monopoly for new tools in that price range i'd gladly recommend them to anyone despite their faults. All brands can have issues and quite honestly the affordability aspect trumps any minor cosmetic issues like the ones posted here in my opinion.
Most people dont know but the first series cman pro wrenches were made by sk. I have a set I bought in the early 90's, sae, and they are flawless. Wish i could find the 5 piece large set that was available at the time. I guess sk would match them (wanted a matching set) but it seems they only make the 5pc larger size set in metric. Only metric listed on their site and adv auto, no sae.
 

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Thanks for the review. I'm considering a set of these (metric and fractional) as I think I'd like the long-pattern size, but not the snap-on price. :)

Sad to see the problem of the smaller ones being bent tho.
 

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i like how my usa craftsman professionals have the size stamped on both sides.
 

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Thanks Stephen, glad to know Advance is selling those now. Maybe they are offering those at a discount because of "surface blemishes."

Things like that never occurred to me until I started reading GJ. If I look back at tools I bought years ago, it is hard to find any blemishes under the grease, dirt and rust. :)

Thanks,
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Just wait till You try to use the open ends of those wrenches. You'll really notice inperfection at that point. SK wrenches ****. they spread out. I actually broke a short SK combo wrench in half once.
 

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Based on the appearance of these, I'd rather have the Northern combos.

Also, it appears the open end of these new SK wrenches seems pretty shallow. Compare the Proto ASD to the new SK above.
 

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I don't know why but I've never been crazy about the super polished chrome look on tools. Almost looks too good to use. Partly why I returned the Craftsman Pro wrenches I bought and kept my "crappy" raised panels. I like the crinkly/dull finish more.

But I can understand paying good money for the wrenches you'd want them to at least *start off* looking as good as they could.
 

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I don't know why but I've never been crazy about the super polished chrome look on tools. Almost looks too good to use. . . . .

Exactly! I bought a set of polished Bahco wrenches a while back and haven't even handled them much. Don't even like to see the finger prints on those, ya know? He-he.

I'm sure after a few years, scratches will start showing up though. :)

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Based on the appearance of these, I'd rather have the Northern combos.

Also, it appears the open end of these new SK wrenches seems pretty shallow. Compare the Proto ASD to the new SK above.

It does look quite shallow. Is that how it is for the rest of the wrench. I like the way SK design the box end.
 
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From what I've heard, SK is having some wrenches made at the Western Forge plant and haven't been happy with the quality of the finishing process coming out of there. They are aware and are working to fix some of these same issues you guys are talking about. (They sent their distributors a letter explaining this.) That is one reason why it has taken longer for them to get more merchandise out. I haven't seen any of these issues with the sockets, ratchets or extensions. I think what you are seeing is a company that is working the kinks out of a new manufacturing system. I would except the cosmetic quality issues to be fixed soon.

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From what I've heard, SK is having some wrenches made at the Western Forge plant and haven't been happy with the quality of the finishing process coming out of there.


Hmmm....I guess that could make sense. All the Western Forge tools I've seen were pliers, screwdrivers and adjustable wrenches.

I guess making a full-polish wrench would be a little different than what they've done before.
 

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That is a bummer on the stamping, thats IMO is unacceptable from a "quality" mfg. Minor surface imperfections, eh. For the price point I would see that as ok. Good to know ADV Auto is carrying them as I would get those over GW probably. And with the insance discount codes I could see myself with quite a bit of it as needed.

I recently got the last set of metric professional combos at sears for about $86, 7-19. and they're pretty close to flawless, just a few spots here and there. Good bit longer than the raised panels but shorter than the longs. A good length.

Hopefully they'll get these issues sorted out. Would really like to see an open end strength comparison.
 

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Based on the appearance of these, I'd rather have the Northern combos.

Also, it appears the open end of these new SK wrenches seems pretty shallow. Compare the Proto ASD to the new SK above.



Can we get some measurements of your 12MM SK vs your Proto ASD vs your C-RP? The dimension i'd like is in green below:

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Just wait till You try to use the open ends of those wrenches. You'll really notice inperfection at that point. SK wrenches ****. they spread out. I actually broke a short SK combo wrench in half once.

I've used and abuse SKs my entire life and NEVER EVER broke one unless I abused it. I think I bent one once but when you use a 3 foot cheater bar on a 5/8" combination wrench you kinda expect that and I don't care what brand it is.

I cracked a couple of sockets too but you really shouldn't be using non-impact sockets in an impact wrench. ...or using them to beat universal joints in with.


In short... I have to ask what you were doing to break an SK wrench?
 

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Definitely disappointing if you pay full retail but for $120 I'd be ok with it. I love chrome wrenches. How do these feel in your hand?

I've always disliked the cm raised panels. I'd use just about any other wrench over the cm

If I didn't have a set of snappy wrenches I'd consider those for sure
 

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doesn't western forge seem to have a problem with quality on a few items? namely, the black handled craftsman pliers and the standard craftsman screwdrivers? hopefully sk will get this fixed pronto.

the open end of the wrench does look super shallow...
 

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doesn't western forge seem to have a problem with quality on a few items? namely, the black handled craftsman pliers and the standard craftsman screwdrivers? hopefully sk will get this fixed pronto.

the open end of the wrench does look super shallow...

I always thought those two items were pretty decent for the price.

They also make the (now discontinued) Craftsman Pro pliers, which I always thought were good for the money, especially on sale.
 
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Well, I guess I'll write a quick update.

After a few days I started to like the wrenches more and more. The 9mm did have the name improperly stamped, but I could have had it warrantied through SK if I wanted to. The other chrome issues were very small and not really that noticeable unless you were really looking for them.

My local Sears still has some of the USA made Craftsman Professional wrenches that lots of people on here like. I went and looked at them and the Craftsmans had some of the same issues under the chrome as the SKs. I guess it's not very uncommon to have a few small flaws under the chrome.

I contacted SK and sent them the pictures. They said if I wanted to exchange the wrench set I should first try to return them to Advance. But, SK said they would send me a prepaid label to ship them directly back to the company for exchange if Advance wouldn't.

But in the end, I did end up returning this set of wrenches to Advance and getting my money back.
 
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Got an email from SK today that said the following:

"We are happy to report that the move of the SK distribution center to the main facility in Sycamore Illinois is proceeding at a faster pace than planned. If progress continues at its current rate we may be able to resume large scale shipping by the end of this week rather than the September 7 date previously announced. You will receive another announcement later this week informing you of either resumption of shipping or a projected date."

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First impressions

The wrench set arrived today. The box was well packaged. The wrenches had come out of place and were knocking around in the tray, but they're all there.
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Looks like the tray they came in was missing the clear topper plastic cover...must be why they're all over the place. And the bottom left doesn't have the green triangle description card of what the set is...wonder why?
 

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Thank you for taking the time to write a review on your experience with the S-K wrench set. I think we have all been waiting to see how the new S-K tool product line comes out since Ideal took over.
 

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I got several boxes of S_K/Proto tools that I use. Some are 50 years old plus and maybe scratched and worn, but I have never broken wrench or socket(six point). These tools are made to turn nuts and bolts and not expected to lay around and look at like jewerly. Quit being nic-pickey and get'em dirty and wipe'em off. I really like all my S-K Tools.
 

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Thanks for the update, I would be very interested to know if these were old stock or Ideal manufactured.
 

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Well I have this set on order from Advance Auto and it should be here Wed of Next Week. Ive spent $800 bucks recently from Advance Auto buying SK goodies and have yet to find anything that turns me away from there product. What Ive Purchased:

1/4" Master Socket set
3/8" Master Socket set
Numerous Ratchets +12
Metric Standard Wrench 22mm-8mm

Out of Everything ive bought, The only real defect was the ones below:

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Ill follow up with my set when it arrives, about the only thing that bothered me about Stephen9666's Wrench set was the Beam stamp on the smaller wrench, The small blemishes dont phase me. I tend to drop/throw tools on occasion.
 

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I've recently purchased some SK sets from Tooltopia, including the 1/4", 3/8", and 1/2" drive 6pt combo socket sets (47 to 49 piece sets) and the regular Metric and Standard wrench sets. The socket sets are good and I consider them a great value. But, the chrome plating is inconsistent on some of the sockets. In particular, on the inside deeper recesses of a few of the sockets in each set, the chrome is sparse. I don't have pics but imagine if you were spray painting a plain socket, and the spray only made a frosted coating on the inside, especially at the deep recesses of the broaching. I didn't consider that any kind of deal breaker, but was a little disappointed in that. And it's only on 2-3 sockets in each set.

I find the ratchets to be a little short, and most notable on the 3/8" ratchet. I haven't received the 1/2" set yet. Furthermore, on the 3/8" drive ratchet, the knurled grip/handle is too short for my hand, and there is just a very slight bend in the shaft of the handle directed away/perpendicular from the drive direction. Since this is my first SK ratchet, I don't know if that is a feature meant for a slight knuckle clearance or just a slight defect. It's rather slight and again doesn't affect function. I consider the short grip and short overall length to be more annoying. I'm guessing that was a cost cutting move. I much prefer the knurling on my Williams roundhead ratchet to the knurling on the SK. The SK knurling on the ratchets and the extensions is a little subpar (it's uneven with some row overlapping, and feels a little too smooth; ie., not enough grip). The Williams Suprratchet (an old one which belonged to my grandfather) grips much better, but frankly, the value represented in these socket sets is so good, I consider the ratchets to be a bonus. They will serve as backups to my other ratchets.

The wrenches have minor flaws. There are a few knicks and dents under the chrome, but they don't affect the function. The beams are straight with no issues like those in that other thread the OP linked to. On some of the smallest size wrenches, the box ends were punched slightly offcenter such that one side may seem a little thin compared to the other of the box metal ring. I don't think it's enough to be a structural problem though since small nuts and bolts don't usually require that much torque. The box teeth are uniform to my eye. The only other point of note I have is that the overall length of the wrenches is slightly shorter than my Craftsman combo wrenches of the same unit size. I'd say about 1/2 to 3/4" shorter. The beams are thicker, however, and I view that as a plus for both strength and comfort. I haven't torqued with them yet, so can't comment on the squared off edges from a comfort standpoint, but the thinner raise panel Craftsman wrenches can dig on the inner fingers a little when pulling hard on them. Overall, I'm pleased with the SK sets I've purchased with my largest annoyance being the inconsistent chrome on the sockets and the short ratchet lengths. I won't buy any more SK ratchets unless they come as part of a larger set where there isn't a real penalty to their inclusion. I do wish the wrench sets included some larger sizes. My metric set tops at 22mm and the SAE at 1". I have larger Craftsman combo wrenches which came in the 540 pc Mechanics set I purchased on sale.

I'm sure these SK sets are old stock, and not from new production from Ideal. Given SK's financial troubles previously, it's not surprising that there would be some QC issues. Worker moral can suffer when their future is uncertain. Likewise, tooling and equipment investments may have been lagging. I'm interested to see what new stock will be like and hope that it improves, although I wouldn't be surprised if some of the early new runs experience some hiccups before they get lined out. I'd also like to see Ideal/SK revise the dimensions of their ratchets. I'd say the lengths and grips of these ratchets are better suited to an average woman's hands, than they are for a man's hand.
 
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I have the 94547 3/8" set and some of my sockets are the same as you describe.
 
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My 3/8 Sockets arent near as Shiny on the Inside as they are the Outside but that doesnt really bother me too much. I figure after a few Greasy Bolts it wont matter much anyways. :Twitch:

To Al, I would definitely switch those "Mis Punched" smaller wrenches back, I suspect those where Old stock and SK had similar problems with some of there Ratchets. Its amazing what type of QC comes from Employees when there Owner just drops there Health Care insurance without Notice. I havent noticed any change in the Knurling or Ratchet Length versus the older stuff.. Are you sure your not using one of those 3/8" drive in a 1/4" body ratchets.. LOL.
 
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As far as ratchet length goes, my ratchet from the set is as long as my old Diamond and 3-4 mm longer than my Wayne. The socket 'issues' bother me none and I find the ratchet length to be just fine. Knurling may be a bit on the smooth side but an absolute super set for the money and elsewise.
 
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