It was a sad day in 51c
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chadster1
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I hope he doesnt try to get them warrantied.
Mr.Nutcase
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Cheap *******
flying2275
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I assume your in the military and in aviation by the etchings on those. I'm in the Navy myself and work on F/A-18C's. Those who don't work in aviation won't understand the need for some specialty tools.
rockchucker
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I do that whenever it needs to be done. I have multiple "custom stubbies".
Nope, chop saw.
Yep, most people wouldn't know what to do with half the things in the shop tool boxs. I work on P3's and 53's. both types in the process of being phased out thank god... we still find green paint chips in the 53's intake, supposedly from vietnam. Im in airframes. what shop do you work in?
Im sure that would work but we cant justify buying sets of crows feet because we wouldn't use them enough.
slipjointed
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I'm willing to bet at least one or two tool-polishing members felt actual physical pain from viewing that picture. 
diesel research
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This is what Craftsman raise panels are for.
I don't believe sears is set up to handle POs and deal with business to business transactions?
It's the same reason many retailers are overlooked.
4x4gearhead
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Why 4 of them all cut the same length?
I'm willing to bet at least one or two tool-polishing members felt actual physical pain from viewing that picture.
Yeah,that guy who had a screen name that began with an "M" probably would have had a heart attack
muibubbles
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This is what Craftsman raise panels are for.
What Otis said. I'd like to ask this guy 1) What he needs these for. And, 2) Wouldn't something else do? It's his money and business, but I'd like to know.
scott0
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diesel research
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What Otis said. I'd like to ask this guy 1) What he needs these for. And, 2) Wouldn't something else do? It's his money and business, but I'd like to know.
He said military aviation, a marine.
BUT the marine corps likely can't march into sears and purchase said tools. Sometimes there is govt cards to make "local purchases" but typical procedures are to go through an approved vendor with an account that accepts purchase orders.
Same thing happens "on the outside". A lot of our employer provided tools from a previous company were purchased from grainger, fastenal, or northern. Surely a tool could be purchased cheaper than from grainger. When one cheapskate asked "why don't you buy tools from harbor freight? they are just as good" The response was "well, the day harbor freight accepts a purchase order or net30, we might consider them..."
Buying supplies for a company or gov't entity is not nearly the same as buying privately.
sports.racer
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That's for sure.
Brings to mind the half-length, 12point 1/4" box end attached to a foot-long rod so you can adjust 757 flap position sensors.
This is what Craftsman raise panels are for.
Ain't it the truth! Or any other cheap brand. I used to work with a guy years ago (aviation) who would not have ANY tool in his box that wasn't Snap On. PERIOD. Even all the special "homemade" cut/bent/spliced/welded tools were meticulously made from SO pieces.
Well, the automotive guys need special tools too, but they usually have access to "store bought" solutions.
In the aviation world, there is often nothing available for a unique situation unless we make it ourselves.
I cut my teeth on L188 Electras WAAAY back when I got out of A&P school. I remember having a "swing wrench" that I made for that ******* of a bolt on the Allison 501-D13 oil pump (At least I remember it as being the oil pump where that wrench was used). I left Electras behind (good riddance) over 25 years ago and gave my swing wrench to a guy that was left behind.
bigdummy30
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if thats a marine's handy work does that mean tax dollars paid for that???
HELL YEAH! you would puke if you saw some of the things your tax dollars go to. we have to clean our metal cage out tomorrow. getting rid of a cylinder of stainless steel 4 feet long and a foot around. We dropped 6 or 7k on that. now its just going away. anyone want it?
kams1973
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Sad to see the P-3's being replaced. I worked structures/hydraulics on Alfas, Bravos, and Charlies. Modified tools were the only way to go in many situations.
Shipfittin
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I hear you on that, we throw out stuff like that all the time. Don't know how many times I've walked by the metal dumpster and wish I could just take it home. It can be very sickening.
boohocky
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Maybe a stupid question, but why not mention it to someone higher up to recycle it, or even sell it to a person and make some money back to put toward the use of something else?
Maybe it's been mentioned before, idk, but I sure would give it a shot.
you cant exactly incinerate a steel cylinder so i'm sure one way or another it will be recycled.
Shipfittin
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The problem is your using your brain, when you go to work you need to leave that in the car. Don't ask questions, it only leads you to more questions.
See I work for the government, they don't operate with any common sense like that. What they will do is take all the scrap plate, and pay someone to take it away. Then when they need all that stuff they threw out, they will buy more. So really, they are keeping two companies in business operating this way. It's part of like some kind of workers program. You might be upset that your tax dollars are being thrown away this way. But that same guy in office is going to turn it around and just show you the side that he is keeping two companies afloat with government contracts, not that he's wasting your money.
It's just like the two fellas that work in Navy/Marine aviation. I'm sure they see stupidity like I do on a daily basis. There will be like a job that they could easily handle themselves and knock out. No don't do that, we'll hire a contractor to come in and do it for us. And it's usually because some Senator or Representative has a friend who owns a business that needs some work.
If people knew what was going on it would be 1776 all over again.
You really couldn't put it better. Common sense isn't common at all in the marine corps or navy. or any other branch. there is just too many different people working for the same cause. and when someone high up wants something done, he gives the word and it gets done. no matter what the cost. when it rains in beautiful KBAY, we spend hours sweeping the water out of the hangar but they wont let us close the hangar doors ending up in us e3 and below doing it all over again. WTF?! so even though we are getting rid of all this metal (because its too big for our machinery) the ones in charge are still going to order more and AGAIN its going to sit in the cage til the next inspection comes around and we have to make it disappear AGAIN.
Shipfittin
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Ha, I hear you, you've got to love it.
Common sense at work is like the time they asked me to tie down the 100,000lbs piece of equipment to a keel block to make sure it didn't blow away during a tropical storm. Or sandbag around the doors of a building in fears of flooding, but the building had more holes then swiss cheese in the brick walls for pipes.
Common sense at work is like the time they asked me to tie down the 100,000lbs piece of equipment to a keel block to make sure it didn't blow away during a tropical storm. Or sandbag around the doors of a building in fears of flooding, but the building had more holes then swiss cheese in the brick walls for pipes.
diesel research
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The military is not equipped or in the business of selling. You have to answer basic questions like "who directly takes the money?" "where does it go from there?" "who approves the sale?" "how should the item be valued?" "who should be the expert on identifying the item and placing a price on it?"
Pretty soon you have a bunch of people ransacking and looting military supply to sell "unneeded items". Since there is no place to submit that money, it goes in their pocket.
The army and airforce use DMRO (now DLA Disposition) the navy and marines should have access to this as well, since it is a DoD wide entity.
Think of it like a network of the BEST junkyard/scrapyard you probably won't have access to. Tools, machines, vehicles, supplies, even real estate.
Items can be distributed through other military units or branches. For example, an "outdated" deuce may be transferred from active duty to national guard. (for the most part that actually happened a long time ago)
It could be transferred to other federal/state agencies. For example, an "outdated" 80s silverado could be transferred to BorderPatrol.
At one time we received our snap-on in a transfer from the airforce. Pallets and pallets of tools. Some broken (no warranty on some) others with missing pieces, yet others complete but "excess".
Others may be transferred to foreign governments. Saw quite a few vietnam era UH-1 "hueys" buzzing around the middle east.
Training and base support functions such as "range control" or base fire department may reutilize said equipment.
Finally, after all of the above have picked through the best of the bunch, remaining inventory may be sold to the public in a auction type format. That of course depends on the nature of said equipment. Don't expect an abrahms to pop up on the GSA auction site anytime soon.
Sometimes it is 10tons of scrap, 3 deuces with locked up/missing engines, pallets of misc tools, office equipment, medical equipment, ect. You submit a bid, usually really low, and walk off with your shining junk pile. There is no shipping, they typically have very strict rules on how/when it must be removed off site, and there may be permitting requirements to enter or remove property. I woulda swore they used to sell armored personnel carriers before, but if they were, that practice has now stopped. So did the humvees.
camarotoolman
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Cheap- lots of c-man open ends, I cut em and try to get new studies, some times
i get a dumb clerk.
i get a dumb clerk.