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There seems to be a lot of interest from people about floor jacks and what kind should I buy. This is just a comparison between the NAPA (year 2000 probably made by either Lincoln or Hein Werner, not sure) and the new version of the Arcan XL325R that is made for and sold at Cosco by Arcan Tools, PO Box 1203, Travelers Rest, SC 29690, phone 1-800-837-5994. I called Arcan this morning and asked them why the XL325R had replaced the XL350R which has been around for about 5 years. They told me that they both are the exact same jack and the jack rating police had made them change the rating on the jack from 3-1/2 tons to 3-1/4 tons but it is the exact same jack and they still consider it to be a 3-1/2 ton jack even though the rating is now 3-1/4 tons. I have only had the Arcan for less than 24hrs so how long it will last and will I be able to pass it along to my grandkids I can't tell you. But it does appear to be very nicely made, the welds all look good, the paint job is well done, there are no sharp edges. I asked the Arcan rep this morning about spare parts for these and he told me they have the wheels, handles, and for $39.00 you can buy a whole new pump and valve assembly. The Arcan jack sells in Cosco for $99 dollars and I would guess that a USA made one like the NAPA is in the $450 - $500 price range now. Here are some of the specs on the 2 jacks.
NAPA Arcan
Lift Height 20" 21-3/8"
Low Height 4" for 8-1/2" 3-1/2 for 17"
Weight heavy 104lbs
Length 27-1/2 27-1/2
Width 14-1/2 14
Saddle 5-3/4 square 4-1/2 round
Rating 2 tons 3-1/4 tons
 

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Nice Writeup, You can find that HW equivalent to that Napa jack on sale for less than $300 most of the time and ive seen them as cheap as $250. Next time you have a project to do, Do me a favor... Using 1 jack at a time Lift a Vehicle off the ground to a Pre-set Height, Say the Tire 6" off the ground and using both jacks count the full strokes required to get to that Point from a full resting position.
 
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Nice Writeup.. Im a bit concerned with your Claim as the "Best Jack Ever" considering you've used it once and the Jack just hasnt been on the Market long enough to Really Judge it. Im not real famliar with Costco but the Warranty sounds good, My gut feeling and Knowledge of Hydraulic Systems/Hydraulic Seals is that the warranty will definitely come into play sooner versus later. Again.. Dont take this the wrong way, It obviously is Attractive to consumers with a Low profile and Hefty Tonnage Rating along with a Attractive Pricetag and that definitely fills a void in the Market.
 
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New member, first post. I'm in the market for a new floor jack and also to get my vinatge jack fixed. Maybe after this post the board will let me send Hiball a PM.
Thanks-Gary
 
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Aeromech said:
New member, first post. I'm in the market for a new floor jack and also to get my vinatge jack fixed. Maybe after this post the board will let me send Hiball a PM.
Thanks-Gary
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I responded to your PM, (Well actually 3 of them). There is a setting in your USER Options that allows you to see "Sent Messages".

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Quality Jack!

Hiball said:
Nice Writeup.. I'm a bit concerned with your Claim as the "Best Jack Ever"
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Hiball, for the price this is the best Floor Jack I have come across. This even beats some pro models I have used. I have used it on a couple vehicles now and I can assure you that this is a quality jack.
 
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Re: Quality Jack!

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Hiball, for the price this is the best Floor Jack I have come across. This even beats some pro models I have used. I have used it on a couple vehicles now and I can assure you that this is a quality jack.
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Obviously you are entitled to your opinion, look forward to a follow up after 2000 uses and 20 years of use.
 
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I have owned my Arcan XL325R now for 3 years, works great. I put her through a good beating on a weekly basis..... She has not let me down yet.

Dan
 
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I bought this yesterday and the price was $104.99. They jacked up the price.

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I have the Arcan. I LOVE it. I got mine from northern tool for $100 + shipping ($50). Saw it a week later at costco for $95. DOH!!!
 
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I have the Arcan jack also. Lifted my mom's van w/o any problems, same for my dad's Jeep. I had to change/upgrade to coil over shocks on my 88' F-350 7.3L IDI. So slid the Arcan under it and pumped it up to max height.


My condition made it hard for me to pump, my dad could do it though. After having it for a couple years now I think it pumps too hard to lift my diesel truck. Does this make sence Hiball?
 
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Older thread, but how is the beefy American made NAPA jack only rated at 2 tons, while the smaller looking China made jack rated for 3.23 tons? It seems backwards.
 
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biscuit, That is because the regulations are far different between China and the USA. Arcan had to lower their ratings as it is when the weight police checked it. China uses lower quality steel while copying USA quality made items. The step all over patends of USA and have very poor standards. Remember, when you are under that car/truck your Life depends on your jack/stands, so PLEASE don't skimp. Follow Hiball's advise, that is experiance talking! I will be buying some bottle jacks from HiBall, I'm disabled now but still do repairs and what I can and want to live and raise my 5 yr. old son not get crushed or injured changing tires, brakes, stem links or shocks ect. You get my point eh?
 
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Since I started this thread back on 11-17-2011 I would like to post an update to it. After owning the Arcan jack for almost 4 months I found that it would not stay pumped up and lost about an inch in 24 hours. After calls to Arcan and following their advice for bleeding the air from the jack I decided to return it to Costco. These jacks weigh over 100lbs and I was not able to keep buying and returning them until I got a good one. The Arcan rep also told me that I was not using the jack often enough and should be using it daily which I don't do. Funny, but I used this jack the exact same way that I use the NAPA jack (which is a few times a month) and have never had a problem with it. In fact the NAPA jack was in storage for a few years and still worked without ever a problem once I started using it again. I replaced the Arcan jack with a HW93642. The Hein Werner HW93642 is almost an exact duplicate of the NAPA jack and has all the same specs. Hopefully it will work as well and last as long as my NAPA jack. And last but not least, listen to Hiball guys, he knows what he is talking about when it comes to jacks.
 
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Originally Posted by jamesemery728
I found that it would not stay pumped up and lost about an inch in 24 hours.


stephen9666 said:
I thought this was normal? I think all the jacks I've owned would do this.
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I don't know if it is to be considered normal or not.
BUT
What does it matter?
A jack is not intended to hold the weight for a day.
It's designed to lift the load and then the load is taken off of it relatively soon, not the next day.
 
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What are the NAPA part numbers for their good jacks? I saw some red ones in the store today, but was in a hurry so I didn't look them over. They were in boxes but not cheap. Looking online I see they have the red ones and blues ones that say "NAPA Professional Lifting Equipment". The website was not very helpful, not much info at all about the jacks, HF's website was more descriptive. I was looking at NAPA because they can be picked up at the store to avoid shipping charges, but I want to get a good American-made jack that can be serviced if I am going to pay more than HF prices. I don't use a jack often, but would really like to have one for when it is needed. I just don't want to pay a bunch for a China-made NAPA jack just because it says NAPA when it's probably the same jack HF sells.

My dad has 2 2-ton Lincoln jacks that are probably close to 20 years old. I know one has been rebuilt at least once and the other currently needs a rebuild. They are quality jacks and I believe HW bought out Lincoln if I remember correctly from a past Hiball posting.
 
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biscuit141 said:
What are the NAPA part numbers for their good jacks? I saw some red ones in the store today, but was in a hurry so I didn't look them over. They were in boxes but not cheap. Looking online I see they have the red ones and blues ones that say "NAPA Professional Lifting Equipment". The website was not very helpful, not much info at all about the jacks, HF's website was more descriptive. I was looking at NAPA because they can be picked up at the store to avoid shipping charges, but I want to get a good American-made jack that can be serviced if I am going to pay more than HF prices. I don't use a jack often, but would really like to have one for when it is needed. I just don't want to pay a bunch for a China-made NAPA jack just because it says NAPA when it's probably the same jack HF sells.
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Those Napa Jacks are NO LONGER USA Jacks.... They Look similar to the Old Walker/Lincolns and Newer HW but they are imports.
 
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Hiball said:
Nice Writeup, You can find that HW equivalent to that Napa jack on sale for less than $300 most of the time and ive seen them as cheap as $250.
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Where do I get the HW for 250 again? Everytime I see them sub 300 they always charge $100+ for shipping.
 
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JamesBill said:
Where do I get the HW for 250 again? Everytime I see them sub 300 they always charge $100+ for shipping.
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The Best thing to do is Google HW93642 or HW93652 and let it find the cheapest price. Obviously.. on a Big Item its beneficial to find a Local Dealer. The $250 Price tag isnt the Normal price, Thats the Sale Price and ive seen it via Sears website a handfull of times.
 
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Hiball said:
on a Big Item its beneficial to find a Local Dealer. The $250 Price tag isnt the Normal price, Thats the Sale Price and ive seen it via Sears website a handfull of times.
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I wish someone sold them local for 250, I'd buy two. I am so tired of my POS jack.

Oh yeah, is the Omega and "true blue" or whatever the same thing and MIA or is it an imported copy?
 
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Arcan made in China floor jack FTW!!!! dude... all our bases are belong to china soon...
 
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yeah best price I found also. 90 shipped to houston though.
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That *****.. Ill keep my eyes open. I suspect Sears is gonna be your best bet as they ship to store etc.. If anything pops up ill be sure to contact you via Pm.
 
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Hiball said:
The Best thing to do is Google HW93642 or HW93652 and let it find the cheapest price. Obviously.. on a Big Item its beneficial to find a Local Dealer. The $250 Price tag isnt the Normal price, Thats the Sale Price and ive seen it via Sears website a handfull of times.
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Whats the difference between the 2 p/n you listed? Is this the jack you would recommend if you were buying new today?
 
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Danglerb said:
Its a jack, not a jack stand. Use the right tool.
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Thanks for the condemnation without knowing a single fact about the test that I did on the jack. The test did not involve lifting a single thing and certainly not a vehicle. No one including me should ever use a jack without a jack stand. The jack was raised to a predetermined height and allowed to sit for 24 hours to see how much height the jack lost in 24 hours. Again, there was NO vehicle involved in the test. Since there was no vehicle, there was no need for a jack stand.

To those of you that are using an Arcan jack and love the jack I wish you continued success. If the jack is working fine for you then I am happy for you. I just decided that it was not for me.
 
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I find it strange the Jack police made them change the rating on the jacks sold at costco, but if you go the ARCANE website, the 3.5 ton jack is apparently ok with the jack police?? And everything is still the same? It may be the same jack at Costco as sold before, but I wonder if it's the same jack being sold as a 3.5 ton directly by Arcan?
I'm not saying, I'm just saying....
 
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jamesemery728 said:
There seems to be a lot of interest from people about floor jacks and what kind should I buy. This is just a comparison between the NAPA (year 2000 probably made by either Lincoln or Hein Werner, not sure) and the new version of the Arcan XL325R that is made for and sold at Cosco by Arcan Tools, PO Box 1203, Travelers Rest, SC 29690, phone 1-800-837-5994. I called Arcan this morning and asked them why the XL325R had replaced the XL350R which has been around for about 5 years. They told me that they both are the exact same jack and the jack rating police had made them change the rating on the jack from 3-1/2 tons to 3-1/4 tons but it is the exact same jack and they still consider it to be a 3-1/2 ton jack even though the rating is now 3-1/4 tons. I have only had the Arcan for less than 24hrs so how long it will last and will I be able to pass it along to my grandkids I can't tell you. But it does appear to be very nicely made, the welds all look good, the paint job is well done, there are no sharp edges. I asked the Arcan rep this morning about spare parts for these and he told me they have the wheels, handles, and for $39.00 you can buy a whole new pump and valve assembly. The Arcan jack sells in Cosco for $99 dollars and I would guess that a USA made one like the NAPA is in the $450 - $500 price range now. Here are some of the specs on the 2 jacks.
NAPA Arcan
Lift Height 20" 21-3/8"
Low Height 4" for 8-1/2" 3-1/2 for 17"
Weight heavy 104lbs
Length 27-1/2 27-1/2
Width 14-1/2 14
Saddle 5-3/4 square 4-1/2 round
Rating 2 tons 3-1/4 tons
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I don't know, it doesn't make sense to me. Arcan still sells floor jacks that are 32mm.32mm.3.5 ton on their website.. if the floor jacks are exactly the same(3.25 vs 3.5 ton) why do the floor jack police not have a problem with those jacks(3.5 ton) on their website?
 
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jamesemery728 said:
Thanks for the condemnation without knowing a single fact about the test that I did on the jack. The test did not involve lifting a single thing and certainly not a vehicle. No one including me should ever use a jack without a jack stand. The jack was raised to a predetermined height and allowed to sit for 24 hours to see how much height the jack lost in 24 hours. Again, there was NO vehicle involved in the test. Since there was no vehicle, there was no need for a jack stand.
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He is not condemning you, he is condemning the test because it doesn't say anything about how the jack should perform it's job.
 
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A simple asnwer as to why the Arcan is shown with a 3.5 ton rating on the web site is that the company has not updated the site for some time. I have seen this same site as it is now way before the Arcan jack rating was changed to 3.25 tons.

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