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MongoTom

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We started planning this garage rebuild about 3 years ago. Today the outside is finished and it's on to the inside work. A few photos...
First, old swayback, a 60 year old, 20X20 garage on its last day.
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Site cleared and a 26X26 foundation dug and poured and block in place.
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2X6 walls, 16" on center, designed for 12' ceilings.
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The floor's the thing. Dug out several inches of clay, added 6" of pea stone, covered with 15 mil Perminator, then 2" of polystyrene insulation, covered with another 15 mil of vapor barrier (because I had it), then 4" chair rails and finally 6X6 0.3" wire mesh.
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PEX attached to the wire mesh. The PEX-free zones are for a potential 2 post lift.
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8" of 4000 PSI concrete now in place. There's a drain in place across the front that drains down the outside to the backyard.
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Conduits in place between the house and garage for just about anything.
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HAAS R-17 door with high lift track and jackshaft opener, Hardiplank sided and painted. Hay loft door to the second floor storage with a beam over it for a block and tackle.
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Side view showing photovoltaic panels and the whole house generator behind the garage.
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And the interior is ready to wire from the 100 amp panel, insulate the walls with foam and drywall. The floor is ready to coat with something to be determined.
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Many of the ideas I picked up on this site. Tons of great information and wonderful people. I'll keep listening. There are more photos of this at tsh.kodakgallery.com if anyone is interested.
 
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Great looking garage, looking forward to seeing how you set the inside up.

Don't hold your breath. I'm broke now. We'll put a 4 post lift in it, put in a boiler to heat the floor and an air compressor upstairs. I think cabinets will be on wheels to allow us to repurpose the space as needed. This will be a retirement workshop. I hope to pick up a Miata or something similar to set up for the track. I'd like to be able to paint in there as well. Lots of plans. No cash for a while now.
 

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Beautiful go-raj, love the details:thumbup:, I think the slab is under structured:lol_hitti:lol_hitti

Can you share some details on the solar "stuff", power storage, output, cost?
 
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MongoTom

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Beautiful go-raj, love the details:thumbup:, I think the slab is under structured:lol_hitti:lol_hitti?

Yeah, that's one of those things that just happened. We didn't design it that way, but one thing led to another and before you knew it, we had a landing pad. There are no cuts in it - it's a 25X25 smooth slab that was lovingly prepared. I was very impressed with their work.

Can you share some details on the solar "stuff", power storage, output, cost?

It's hard to break it out. The total cost of the 5 KW Sunpower system was nearly $33K. That also included the 14 KW generator, the replacement of the house panel with the generator cutover panel, the gas line to the generator, the conduits to the garage and the panel in the garage. The gov't will pay for 30% of that and we're also going to sell SRECs to Ohio soon. In the meantime, it's spinning our electric meter backward and should save $50-75 a month (just a guess) on our electric bill. As electric costs go up, we'll save more. When panels get a bit less expensive, we can add another 3 KW to that roof and (I hope) tie it into the same system.
 

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8" of concrete sounds like a lot. But it will provide a lot of mass inside the insulation envelope and really help moderate the impact of short term deep drops in outside temperatures.
 
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I really like the solar option but man those are big $$$. I looked at it and they still will take over 20 years to break even and then the panels were only rated for 20 years. I wish th US would do more on these panels to lower the cost.
 
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MongoTom

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The garage roof was just a great place to put the panels, facing south with no shade. The panels feed the grid, spinning our meter backwards in the process. The tax rebate cuts years off the break even. When we started, the local energy producer was going to match the federal 30%, but they stopped it before we got it installed. So now we're going to sell energy to neighboring Ohio. It will help. As energy costs rise, it will pay off even faster.
 

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The garage roof was just a great place to put the panels, facing south with no shade. The panels feed the grid, spinning our meter backwards in the process. The tax rebate cuts years off the break even. When we started, the local energy producer was going to match the federal 30%, but they stopped it before we got it installed. So now we're going to sell energy to neighboring Ohio. It will help. As energy costs rise, it will pay off even faster.

HERE HERE your speaking my languages. I was hoping for a taxes break for my garage build but do to not working for a year & energy stopped the rebates. I have to wait.. NICELY DONE.
 
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MongoTom

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Awesome build!! Do you have any pictures of how you done the beam for the block and tackle?

Here's a blow-up of the top of the trusses...
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A 2X8 was inserted on each side of the vertical piece, sticking out 2' and extending inside 6' to wedge into 4 of the trusses. The gap between them was filled and then the entire solid beam covered with Azek before painting.

I still have to figure out what I'll attach to this, but I've got plenty of time for that now. Any advice is welcome!
 
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They are the same trusses that I have in my garage. Do you have a photo of the beam in the trusses? What did you fill the gap with? More 2 x 6's? And what is Azek?

I may put a door into my loft to do some thing similar.
 
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MongoTom

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Here's a closeup of the beam inside.

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The boards are exactly 6" wide, so they're probably ripped 2X8's. I don't have photos of the uncovered beam and don't remember what they used, but I know it was solid outside the garage.

Azek is a plastic composite. It was used for the fascia, trim, pillar coverings, corners, etc. It holds paint well and isn't affected by weather.
 
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That looks like a cool set-up!! Thanks for the pictures!! I may have to start looking into putting a door into my loft now!! ;)
 
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One of my favorite features is the door. In this photo, it's fully raised, so you can see how far into the room it doesn't come. It raises to within a foot of the ceiling. The motor is on the front wall, so no ceiling is consumed by it.

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I want to build one like this , How wide and deep did the trenches have to be ?
Also in the pictures on your website it showed osb plywood being used for the Concrete forms , how'd they get the osb boards out of the trench after the concrete dried ? I would think that the osb would have stuck to the concrete and plus the osb is sandwiched between the trench wall and the weight of the concrete , I would think that the osb would be stuck in there pretty good! or did they just leave the osb in the trench?
I think this is my favorite garage project , thanks for taking the time to post all the pictures and info, enjoy it.
 
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One of my favorite features is the door. In this photo, it's fully raised, so you can see how far into the room it doesn't come. It raises to within a foot of the ceiling. The motor is on the front wall, so no ceiling is consumed by it.

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Looks great! Are you going to sheet rock the walls?

Mine has a similar interior roof structure, and the sheet rock looks really nice that way.

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