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2 car garage in south west England

dublove

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Hi All,

Let me just say that I look at some of the build threads on this forum and am in awe! Some really amazing ideas and skill.

I've always been into making things and learning to do things myself. I'm a model maker by trade (large model cars funnily enough.) So I decided it would be a good idea to build a garage/workshop at the end of the garden. The house belonged to my parents but they have retired into a smaller property that I pay for, leaving me with the old house. Nice.


Planning the garage, I wanted to get as much space as possible. In England we are allowed to build pretty much anything we want upto 30m2 footprint without involving 'planning permission' and 'building regulations' Thirty square meters is a bit small though, ok I guess for a single car but not two. I decided on 23x20 feet. 20 being the width between the two neighbouring properties.

I had to submit my plans to the local authority, which took 3 months to approve because I tried it as a two storey with a barn/gambrel type roof with a room in the attic space. This was flatly refused with restrictions on the pitch apex and the eaves height. I had to revise it to a simple pitched roof. In order for my building to sit on the boundary line between properties it also has to be of 'substantially non-combustable construction' which means bricks and mortar basically.

With my height restrictions there is no way for me to put a car lift inside. So I decided to include a pit. Not just any pit either - I decided to build it big, 5.5m long and 2m wide, 6 foot deep! I would put an I-Beam down the middle and cast part of the garage floor over half of it. Check out later in the pictures.

There was also several problems with my site:

1) The rear access road is around 4 feet higher than the garden. This meant building up quite a bit of clockwork before I'd even be at floor height :/ Still I meant that I would not have to dig down so far to put in a 6 foot deep pit.

2) I also had to demolish the old single garage.

3) Nowhere to store any rubble/skip etc. This meant I had to pile it all up and get a 'grab truck' to come along and scoop it up. This cost about $150 a go and I had to have it come ten times!

Here is the plan as I drew it in cad:

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Here is the old single garage before I knocked it down:

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Knocking it all down :)

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A big pile of rubble to be taken away.

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Finally I can get a mini digger in and level the site = good fun :)


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I'd dug the foundation trenches, put mesh up on the vertical wall of earth held by 5 foot lengths or rebar driven in, and I'd started scooping out where the pit would be. At this stage I had not thought of making the pit twice as wide and flooring over half of it.

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I was almost ready to put rebar in the trenches and pour the concrete BUT something bad happened.
I hammered four wooden posts in the corner of the site, with the intention of marking them with a rotary laser so I had some decent levels. I was putting the last post in, hit it and it shot into the ground and disappeared.

Where I live used to have a heavy coal mining industry back in Victorian times, quite a few shafts have opened up in peoples gardens... I could feel cold air coming out the hole to post disappeared into. Excited, I decided to excavate it out a little to see if I did indeed have a mine shaft. I didn't.

Instead I had some kind of irrigation waterway build from pieces of flat stone all laid dry, which I worked out came across my property at a slight angle, and exited right under the corner of my proposed garage. Bad news was that it was still carrying water. One day we had torrential rain and the whole site flooded, pit n all. I had to reveal this waterway, put a structural land drainage pipe in, fill around it with clean stone chippings, ram it all then I could continue.

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Lots of rebar mesh in and the concrete being poured.

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This is when i decided to double the width of the pit. You can see how far I've dug down compared to the garage behind mine! With more rain coming my dad and I quickly built a wooden frame covering the pit area and put a huge tarp over it so we could continue to work. I also had to put cornet over the mesh that was retaining the access road as it was starting to dry out and crumble.

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Here's the rebar in the pit. I decided it best to tank the outside of the pit what with the irrigation waterway. What I did was to cast a slab at the bottom, blind it, then lay my membrane in and build the wall up off of that. I cast a 3" floor inside the clockwork after. I used the same membrane they use for creating artificial lakes and reservoirs, the membrane weighed 150kg!

I was then able to build up the pit walls. I laid the blocks flat for strength - whole pit has taken around 500 blocks.

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Last pic for now (I had a bit of a photo break) I took two weeks off work and built the main walls unto floor height around the perimeter. Much quicker & easier laying concrete blocks edge on rather than flat! :thumb up:

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The next step is to use civil engineering polystyrene blocks (8x4x3 foot) to backfill the site. I decided on this because if I did it the traditional way and had 5 feet deep of compacted granular sub base backfill, there would be massive lateral loading on the walls. A huge amount of effort - I would have to compact 12 inches at a time with maybe 6 lorry loads on separate days. Plus the fact that the eps blocks will cost less and are cut to size to fit perfectly in the voids.

More pics in the coming months! Thanks for reading :)

Jay
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kippieland

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Looking great! Had to take time off to watch Chelsea play Man U?

Just kidding! :lol_hitti

I know not everyone over there likes football (soccer)....I feel that way since I don't like baseball, NFL football, or basketball!

Can't wait to see more!

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Very nice build you have going in! Looks fantastic! Keep us updated for sure.
 
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dublove

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Thanks for the comments guys, appreciated. :)

Updates will be slow lol - it literally is just my old man & me building this. Heres a couple more pics of where i'm at.


I had to uncover the pit so I could squeeze the polystyrene blocks down the sides. The poly spec I went for can take a load of 4500kg per m2.
You can also see next door flying the flag. (they are here in the UK from Chicago)

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This is one side filled with the poly blocks and boarded over for protection.

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I have now finished with the poly blocks, I've run all my conduit for electrics, airlines and ducting and hopefully in the next week I shall have some concrete arrive. Then I can finally after 18 months start building the real walls up from floor level :)

I was so curious about the polystyrene blocks I did some tests. I had some leftover bits so I took a 450mm thick piece that was slightly smaller than a square metre, put some thick ply on it and loaded it up with concrete blocks. I put 86 blocks on each weighing 22kg. 1.8 tons... I can believe the spec for sure now as it didn't budge. Wish I'd taken a picture of it.

more pics in a few weeks...
 

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I love your perseverance! I wish I could be there and help you build until the Games rolled around! Good luck with your build.
 

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Subscribed! Its great to see a build on here that is far more achievable... all the big barns etc you see of the US builds are amazing but I have no hope of having one that big for years, probably ever!

Can't wait to see how this goes :D
 

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Looks like a great Father Son project, your going to owe Dad big time for this! :)

I'm subscribed to see how this turns out.

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Nice pit, I wonder if it would have been feasible rather than filling the space around it in doing a concrete beam and block floor with an opening for the pit and using the space around the pit as storage. All you would have needed to do is tank the walls.
 
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dublove

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A few questions raised :)

I built the pit double width just to have a bit more storage space. Be able to stick some stuff down there out of the way. I'll cast a slab on one half.

Lippyp,

I did indeed think about beam and block as I was building the outer walls.
As I laid the blocks there is heck of a lot of time to think of great things to do :) Sometimes ideas can get carried away with themselves and progress slows so much it gets rather depressing. But i did enquire, and it was not cheap - I would have had to get a structural engineer to calculate it and sign it off for Building Regs too. A lot more building work to on the outer walls to support the beams.

It's kinda hard to see in the pics but I got these pieces of giant airduct/hvac galvanised steel tube for free, just under 3feet diameter and 6 metres or so long. I've put it in between the outside wall and the pit, encased it in concrete between the polystyrene blocks and it sticks out the wall on the house side with an access cover. I thought it would be great to store ladders & timber in. In fact I put some castors on the end of the ladder already and I can slide it in and out easily.

Looking back I do wish I had built the pit even wider for storage, used two or three I-beams with a slab ontop. So much work though, at the time I had to call it and say enough it, get it finished :)
 
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dublove

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single pic update :)

Not much to show other than the clockwork i've been labouring on. I have also had some 'foamed' concrete poured to lock down the polystyrene and protect it while I work. Flows like a river it's so liquid!

Just got to do a drawing of the steel beams for the supplier and I'll have them delivered in a couple of weeks...

Have also decided to not build block work unto the ridge - instead i'm going to make up some steel trusses at each end to take the z-purlins...

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dublove

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hi all,

Have been making steady progress since I last posted. We had a rubbish summer - rain rain rain!

I got the blockwork finished up to eaves level and lintels and concrete padstones in place.

I managed to get the I-beams in place in a day (gave the truck driver some cash and he used the trucks crane to lift them in place, even helped me to get it all bolted up while the crane was holding the beams - top guy!)

I got the ceiling timber joists fitted to tie the walls, and made a chamfered timber wall plate that is in the same plane for the roof sheets to lay on.

I changed my mind about using concrete blocks on the gable ends. Instead I decided to build steel trusses out of sturdy angle iron. I bolted one to the door I-beam and the other I secured to the blockwork with chemical anchor bolts (amazingly strong these, I was surprised) I had gussets plate laser cut and drilled all the angle iron on site.

I clad the outside face of the trusses with 18mm ply sheets - I'm going to put cedar wood shiplap on there to finish it off.

Next stage was the roof, got the metal z-purlins all fitted onto the truses. Had to fit sag rods to align twist in them. Then it took me a week to get the roof sheets on. Quite pleased with it but the TEK screws were hard work! ended up drilling pilot holes first. To insulate the roof I am getting a contrator to come down and sprayfoam the whole lot including the inside of the gables.

So as you can see in the pics, I have revealed the pit, excess tanking membrane has been trimmed back... I put recesses in the pit wall to house strip lights. The other side I will mount lights in the web of the i-beam.

Had to get the building inspector out to look at the roof, he was happy with everything apart from wanting us to secure the trusses more. What I've done is bolt pieces of angle on the inside of the blockwork pillars with a plate that fits into the web of the I-beam, this just locks it down and he was happy to sign that off!

At the moment I am preparing everything to cast a slab over half the pit, the rim around the pit with a rebate for covering planks/grate, and of course then final floor cast :) Need to get this all done in the next month or so before the temperature shifts.



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You are doing some great work. Always like to see projects from other countries. Keep the pictures coming. Whats the finish plans for the interior?
 
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Wow, nice progress. Really like your garage and the pit is fantastic !!
 

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The project looks amazing. Can't wait to see the interior when its finished. Any plans as of yet?
 
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dublove

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Its been a while since I updated this thread. Still not finished either :)

Interior is mostly finished, making some wall cabinets with sliding doors. These will go all the way down the long sides.
Electric are done (fitted by me, then checked, tested & signed off by local authority)
Floor tiles down, with the edging done in Aluminium angle and black skirting.
Got to make an attic ladder and hatch.
Need to finish the pit covering boards and source sliding pit/ramp jacks
Got to build a workbench and rolling tool cabinets.
Compressor to source and fit all the pipework.

I created my own ceiling lights. I couldn't find anything that was a low profile flush fit. They are simply T5 tubes with a HF ballast inside a folded aluminium tray. Polycarbonate light diffuser material, sitting in a rebate of a painted mdf frame. Works really well, I was chuffed :thumbup:

I made a makeshift bench using a 3 metre length of butcher block top I got for free & Acoustic Energy solid cast aluminium speaker stands, which I also got for free! Really really solid but too low for proper bench work.


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I missed this one first time round. But very nice indeed, and extremely nicely finished.

A lot of usuable spaces in a compact space.
 

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Since there seems to be gravel just outside the garage apron, do you have any issues with the tires picking that up then embedding it into the flooring material?
 
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dublove

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Thanks for the comments guys :)


Why have you got the timber below floor level over the pit?

Those planks covering the pit are temporary for now. I wanted originally to have something strong enough to leave a car parked with wheels on the pit & not have to worry, so I thought about steel grating with maybe checker plate fixed ontop.
The grating is prohibitively expensive here though (over £1000!) and it'd be really heavy too.

I think what I'll do is screw & epoxy laminate 3 layers of 22mm (7/8"?) Birch plywood together and make composite covering planks. Put some recessed lifting handles
This would bring them up nice and level with the rest of the floor :)
 

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Looking good! Where did you get the floors tiles? Are they pvc


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Never seen a pit done so well. And the workmanship is outstanding everywhere. Keep the pics coming!
+1 :rocker:

We're waiting on a mate with a digger to dig a pit for us, in an existing garage, (should be fun), but he's held up on his present job.

I'm a retired builder myself, I just hope I still have the patience to finish it to your standard.

Excellent job. Enjoy it.
 

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Thats a nice garage. I really like the storage idea in the pit as well.

What kind of cost was it to build? Roughly...
 
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