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World's Most Powerful Cordless Impact: Ingersoll Rand W7150

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Mods,please keep this thread here for the time being. Many people are anticipating this tool and the product review forum doesn't get as much views.

Ingersoll Rand W7150 Review

For months, I’ve had the pleasure of using various cordless impact wrenches. There is just something that makes them special: no air hose to drag around. Face it, not every one of us likes to have one in the way of our work. Sure you pay more for one than a comparable air gun, but what you don’t get with an air gun is freedom. Freedom to unbolt fasteners anywhere and anytime you want. Can’t unbolt that axle nut 60 feet away from the compressor if your air hose is only 50 feet long ;). I’ve gone through impact guns like underwear, and I change them twice a day! From Craftsman, Dewalt, Milwaukee, and more, I’ve longed for a gun that was worthy enough to replace my air gun’s duty. The closest thing I have is my Snap On CT6850 (using lithium battery). This thing is a beast! I didn’t think anyone could get any more power out of a cordless impact tool. It is the gun that sets the bar for all other companies to beat which is why I owned it for so long.

Ingersoll Rand announced they have released a gun that would make a huge impact (no pun intended) to the cordless world. I’m sure many of you have seen various YouTube videos of the W7150. Is it all hype, or is this the real deal? I will try to be fair and objective as possible so hopefully many of you will find this review helpful.

Specification*:

I’m sure many of you have seen the specs, but for those who haven’t, here it is. Notice the torque rating on this thing…

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*http://www.ingersollrandproducts.com/lpg/w7150/


Aesthetics:
It’s a beautiful gun, particularly the hammer case. The brush-finish looks fantastic on this aluminum piece, and certainly less tacky than chrome. It would be a shame if you dropped this beauty. If Ingersoll Rand offers a boot, BUY IT. It’s a small price to pay if it means your resale value will be better later on. The composite body is dark gray. It is not exciting and wild as some of Snap On’s offerings, but many may actually like the utilitarian look. I personally don’t mind either way! Perhaps Ingersoll will offer more colors in the future? I doubt it, but you never know. You can see the gun is relatively short from the tip of the anvil to the back of the case. Here are a few pictures of the body. What do you think?

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Features:
Unlike the predecessor (W360), the W7150 features side moldings to help absorb shock if it fell onto its side. It’s a great idea, except for the bottom molding. Without the battery, it’ll lay on its side with both rubbers touching the floor. With the battery, the bottom molding does almost nothing to protect the battery from touching the ground. Now I don’t know about you guys, but I leave the battery on my tools unless I need to charge it. This wouldn’t be an issue if Ingersoll offers a battery boot like Snap On does for their CT6850. Some people might not even care since most cordless impacts do not even offer any protection at all.

Speaking of rubber, the W7150 features an “Over-molded” rubber grip. It’s a nice added touch (again, no pun), but if you work with your bare hands you might find those “L” patterns on the sides annoying. They rub against your skin, creating somewhat of a discomfort. If you’re the type to use gloves, then you’re good to go. To be honest, I’m probably just nit-picking.

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Something missing on my CT6850 that finally showed up on the CT7850 is the anvil brake. Ingersoll Rand has always offered it for as long as I could remember, dating back to my 2530K model so it only makes sense to include it in the W7150. It’s a good feature to have to prevent nuts from flying around. Believe me, it has happened with my CT6850 before and I almost lost an eye. What’s not available is an LED light. I really don’t care for LED lights on large impact guns to be honest. If you’re working in areas that requires high impact tools, chances are, you’re working in a well lit area. LED lights do not show up on jackhammers because you wouldn’t be working with one in the dark, nor would you want to.

The variable trigger is easy to control and smooth. I can run lug nuts back in without over-tightening them (final torque with a torque wrench of course).

Battery:
Powering the gun is a 20v 3.0 Ah battery that comes standard. The footprint is smaller than the Snap On CTB6187, but what I really like about it is the release button. You get a firm click when you press the buttons to let you know it is okay to slide the battery off. The Snap On battery (and many other guns) are annoying because you can never tell if you’re pressing hard enough. If it becomes gritty then forget about it; good luck removing that battery! Ingersoll did a nice job designing this one.

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Also standard is the battery life indicator. Just press the button and it'll tell you how much life you have out of 4 dots.

Country of Origin:
China. Many of you will be disappointed at this point and it’s understandable. I try to buy American as much as possible, but I base my tool purchase mostly on merit. If it rocks my socks off, I want it. If it ***** then I don’t care if God made it himself; I don’t want it. I was a little upset when I found out the W7150 was made in China, but the price was justified. Sure the CT7850 is assembled in the US, but it also costs $660. It’s hard to swallow, especially if you don’t need two batteries. Ohio Power Tool sells the W7150 for $376 with just one battery, much less than the Snap On. Need an extra battery? Estimated price is approximately $150-ish, so you’re still $130 below the SO. I think it’s priced VERY well given the COO, and the performance it delivers. At least the battery is made in Poland!:D

Power/Performance:
This is what you’ve all been waiting for. Ingersoll Rand claims this gun is just as powerful as their class-leading 2135TiMax air impact gun. I have a 2135QTiMax, but have yet to do a head-to-head test to verify the claim. Once I get my 1” drive torque wrench calibrated within the next week or so, I’ll torque some 1-1/4” bolts to 800-1000 ft-lbs and see how the W7150 and the 2135 compare. Perhaps my review is too premature without concrete data? Probably, but I can still give my impression based on toying around with it, can’t I?

I have played around with the gun enough to know just how powerful it is. Is it more powerful than the Snap On? YES. Snap On states their new CT7850 is 15% more powerful than the CT6855, but that’s not enough to out-muscle the W7150. I’ve thrown axle nuts, crank pulley bolts, rusted shock bolts, sub-frames fasteners, and everything else I could. It ate them all up. We definitely know how powerful the the Snap On cordless impact guns are. Lug nuts torqued to 100 ft-lbs can be taken off with just 3-4 impacts. The Ingersoll removes them QUICKLY with just 1-2 impacts. It's not the most scientific measurement for measuring torque, but it gives you a rough idea how powerful it is. In fact, it's quicker at removing lug nuts than my old Ingersoll Rand 231C!

The only thing it didn’t remove was a Honda Accord crank pulley bolt. I had access to a 3/4” air gun, but even that couldn’t take the Accord’s bolt off. I don’t feel the slightest disappointment as a result because Ingersoll never claimed this gun to be equivalent to a 1” air impact. It did, however remove every other crank bolt I've tried it on. Impressive! For 1/2” duty, you will be pleasantly surprised at how much punch this thing packs.

Battery life is great and it lasts slightly longer than my Snap On, despite both batteries being 3.0AH. You can thank the W7150’s torque for that. Not having to hammer as long means less power wasted!


Final Thoughts:
10 years ago, the thought of having a cordless impact as powerful as an air gun was a pipe dream. You were crazy if you thought of such a thing! In 2012, Ingersoll Rand has turned that pipe dream into a reality with the W7150. Do I see it replacing air guns? You’ll have those die-hard air tool guys who will never switch over, but for the folks who are willing to give it a try, I think this gun may just do it. There is no incentive for me to turn on my compressor, drag the air hose around, and let my air gun blow my ear drums out. Best of all, I get to bring this anywhere I want. Junkyard runs are quite fun with this thing! I’d like to see someone bring their compressor into a junkyard. Sure you could probably do it if it’s small enough, but why would you want to if you have a W7150 that fits in your bag?

Don’t let the country of origin deter you away from this. Ingersoll Rand did an amazing job with quality control and I have no reason to doubt its reliability. If this thing was made in the US, the price would have gone up considerably, and many would complain about the astronomical price. If you’re in a dilemma and can’t decide between the Ingersoll Rand W7150 and the Snap On CT7850, I’ll make it easier for you: W7150. With the battery rebate promotion that IR/OhioPowerTool is having right now ($376+shipping for 2 batteries), you’d be nuts to buy the Snap On!

"Convenience of Cordless. Power of air" - It's true! I will be buying another W7150 just because I like it that much more than the Snap On.

For those who own a W7150, what are your thoughts?
 
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I have more photos to follow. Couldnt get everything in one post.
 

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Thank you for the review, looks like I will be selling my CT6850.
 

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My MAC distributor said they've been back-ordered for awhile due to the nosecones not holding up. Have you heard anything about that?
 

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How did you get one? I thought they were still testing and have not shipped any yet.
 
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My MAC distributor said they've been back-ordered for awhile due to the nosecones not holding up. Have you heard anything about that?

I think that's why they postponed the release date from January to May to fix the issue.
 
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Any leads on where to buy one?

Anywhere really. Ingersoll Rand has already been shipping them. It's just a matter of how quickly they run I suppose. A lot of people, including me, were waiting a long time for the release of the W7150.
 

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Do I see it replacing air guns? You’ll have those die-hard air tool guys who will never switch over, but for the folks who are willing to give it a try, I think this gun may just do it.

Still waiting for any cordless tool that matches an air tool in size and reliability. For this reason i find comparisons and claims of replacing air tools in the shop a bit silly. Its very much an apples to oranges argument to me. Not to mention all the wonderful air tools that are out there (IR Hammerhead).

This has a place for many, but i would never trade my 1/2" pneumatic for one. The air tool is still superior and there are just too many other applications where air is needed anyway. As long as your shop has a good setup of hoses electric impacts are redundant. For the home user and on the go i think this is a great product.
 
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The comment was directed towards air gun specifically. Of course they can't match pneumatic impact wrenches in size, but it's getting there. Like I said, people pass off cordless impacts years ago because they couldn't produce enough power. Now many of them are eating their own words. When battery technology improves even further, I'll bet the size comparison will be moot point. Hell, the W7150 is less than a pound heavier than the Ingersoll Rand 231C.

I have a buddy who runs a shop without one. He has his compressor for other tools, but doesn't use an impact wrench. His idea is that if his Snap On cordless gun can't break loose the fastener, then he'll just pull out his large breaker bar, or the torque multiplier. His shop is small so not having air hose get in the way is worth it. Everyone's needs are different. I don't expect everyone to switch over, especially the die-hard fans, but there are far more cordless impact guns being used today than there were years ago.
 

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I hate when someone says the Snap on was/is the gun that set the bar. The Matco version was the first to have lith batteries and kicked the SO guns a55. Funny SO didn't even have a lith battery option when Matco had it (probably the reason it worked better and had more torque) then SO played catch up and finally offered it as an option. Does that sound like they held the bar in the cordless impact market to you??
If the IR is any good I'd buy it but I have a feeling it's made by PTI from the nose cone and features like the battery indicator (another first with the Matco cordless impact)
 
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Which Matco impact was the first to have lithium ion batteries and when did it come out?

The Snap On sets the bar because it is the one very manufacturer seems to compare theirs against. The CT4850HO came out long before the current 18V Infinium. The last matco gun it replaced was weaker and couldn't hold a candle to the Snap On.
 

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The 18V infinium was more powerful then the ni-cad CT4850HO. Hands down we tested in my shop head to head. Lasted longer before battery recharge too. Been a pet peeve of mine for a long time here when guys beg to differ without any basis for the opinion.
The current offering? Not so sure haven't got one. Is the SO version going to be that much better? Not sure. Seems like PTI makes the Matco and probably this newest one IR is coming out with as well. Matco had a nose cone problem as well with the 3/8" 14.4V cordless impact awhile back.
If you look at the current Matco 14.4v and 18V guns they look VERY similar to the IR you're posting about. Same nose cone look, reverse/forward switch location, battery retention button, battery life indicator, overmolded rubber grip.
Very PTIish.

If so I wouldn't have a problem buying. Been pretty happy with my previous PTI made Matco guns.
 
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The comment was directed towards air gun specifically. Of course they can't match pneumatic impact wrenches in size, but it's getting there. Like I said, people pass off cordless impacts years ago because they couldn't produce enough power. Now many of them are eating their own words. When battery technology improves even further, I'll bet the size comparison will be moot point. Hell, the W7150 is less than a pound heavier than the Ingersoll Rand 231C.

I have a buddy who runs a shop without one. He has his compressor for other tools, but doesn't use an impact wrench. His idea is that if his Snap On cordless gun can't break loose the fastener, then he'll just pull out his large breaker bar, or the torque multiplier. His shop is small so not having air hose get in the way is worth it. Everyone's needs are different. I don't expect everyone to switch over, especially the die-hard fans, but there are far more cordless impact guns being used today than there were years ago.

I'll get excited when someone comes out with something this powerful in a 12v package ;).
 
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When the Matco 18v Infinium came out, the CT4850HO was already 2 years old. The CT4850 was 3 years old. At that time, Matco was playing catch-up because the 4850HO obliterated the 19.2V Matco had at the time. Until the Infinium came along, the Snap On didn't have a true competitor.

I honestly don't see the resemblance between the Matco and the IR W7150.. at least not enough to suggest they're made by the same manufacturer. Even if they were, I honestly don't care because a good gun is a good gun to me, regardless of the brand behind it. It just happens that the Ingersoll beat out my CT6850; thus, my SO will soon be in the classified section.


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If you look at the current Matco 14.4v and 18V guns they look VERY similar to the IR you're posting about. Same nose cone look, reverse/forward switch location, battery retention button, battery life indicator, overmolded rubber grip.

Not sure what you're talking about here. Almost all cordless impacts have the reverse/forward switch in that area, otherwise it'd be a pretty useless switch. The Matco's battery release button is in the front. The Ingersoll's buttons are on the front/side near the top and there are two of them. The rubber grip looks nothing alike...not even the nose cone.
 
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I'll get excited when someone comes out with something this powerful in a 12v package ;).


Like I said, I don't expect everyone to jump ship. Die-hard air tool fans will be die-hard fans as you cannot please everyone. There are always those who prefer an analog caliper versus a digital caliper. I'll get excited about air guns again when they don't need a hose attached ;)
 

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When the Matco 18v Infinium came out, the CT4850HO was already 2 years old. The CT4850 was 3 years old. At that time, Matco was playing catch-up because the 4850HO obliterated the 19.2V Matco had at the time. Until the Infinium came along, the Snap On didn't have a true competitor.

I honestly don't see the resemblance between the Matco and the IR W7150.. at least not enough to suggest they're made by the same manufacturer. Even if they were, I honestly don't care because a good gun is a good gun to me, regardless of the brand behind it. It just happens that the Ingersoll beat out my CT6850; thus, my SO will soon be in the classified section.


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Not sure what you're talking about here. Almost all cordless impacts have the reverse/forward switch in that area, otherwise it'd be a pretty useless switch. The Matco's battery release button is in the front. The Ingersoll's buttons are on the front/side near the top and there are two of them. The rubber grip looks nothing alike...not even the nose cone.

I didn't say it was dead on a copy or anything just similar. I think it's pretty similar looking.
One thing we can agree on is if it's better (the IR) we will both have one in our tool box right? lol
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One thing I like about the Matco guns is an access cover and ability to change the brushes after they go bad. With SO and other brands you have to send it out and pay a flat rate fee for such a replacement. With Matco you can order newins and just swap them yourself.
 
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Thanks for the review, definitely interested, must pay for tool box first!
 
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One thing we can agree on is if it's better (the IR) we will both have one in our tool box right? lol
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I can agree to that! I was trying to pick up the Matco a while ago, but couldn't find one at a good price. The plan was to have the big 3 (IR, SO, and Matco) go head to head in a torque test. I would torque a 1 1/4" diameter fastener to 1000 ft-lbs and let the impact guns have a go at it. I'll have to postpone the test because I don't feel like forking out money to buy a new Matco. These toys get way too expensive.
 

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I hate when someone says the Snap on was/is the gun that set the bar. The Matco version was the first to have lith batteries and kicked the SO guns a55. Funny SO didn't even have a lith battery option when Matco had it (probably the reason it worked better and had more torque) then SO played catch up and finally offered it as an option. Does that sound like they held the bar in the cordless impact market to you??
If the IR is any good I'd buy it but I have a feeling it's made by PTI from the nose cone and features like the battery indicator (another first with the Matco cordless impact)
The W7150 is made in an Ingersoll Rand factory, it is not outsourced to another company.
 

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Mother of All Cordless Impact Wrenches

Video on torque test comparison between the NEW Ingersoll Rand w7150 20V Cordless Impactool and the industry standard air tool the IR 231c:


 
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How long does it take to recharge the batter to full charge?
Does the battery have a power level indicator?
 
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How long does it take to recharge the batter to full charge?
Does the battery have a power level indicator?

As stated in the review, it does have a power level indicator. It's in front of the battery.

Charging time takes maybe 30 minutes or so? I don't know.. I don't run the gun until it's completely dead. Maybe as soon as I see one bar left, I'll use it just a bit longer before I throw it back onto the charger. Once I put it on the charger, I'll go around cleaning things up, and by the time I get back, it's done.

If you really want a cordless impact and have the money to spend, I would highly recommend it. I went from using my air gun for 90% of the jobs down to maybe 5%. There is no reason for me to use the air gun when the W7150 does everything.
 

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Neat review, thank you. I'm not sure it will do everything though. I have the new 7850 from snappy and am happy with it. But, I'm not getting rid of my 80 gallon and air impact. It's another tool, works better for some than others. I don't think it's the end all be all. It's like diesel truck HP,who has the most this year, won't have it next year. Lot more to consider than just the claimed power output.
 
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Neat review, thank you. I'm not sure it will do everything though. I have the new 7850 from snappy and am happy with it. But, I'm not getting rid of my 80 gallon and air impact. It's another tool, works better for some than others. I don't think it's the end all be all. It's like diesel truck HP,who has the most this year, won't have it next year. Lot more to consider than just the claimed power output.

Air will always be air and cordless will always be cordless. They both have their advantages and disadvantages, but for those who wish to move away from their 1/2" air guns should have no problem making the transition to the W7150 if they want to go cordless. Unless the CT7850 is a giant leap over the CT6855, its still falls a bit short compared to the W7150. Next year SO or Matco could come out with a more powerful gun, but at this stage, the power output is enough to compete with some of the tougher air guns out there. It'll only get better from here.
 

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did they just torque that down on a block of aluminum....wouldn't that possibly mean that it wasn't torqued to 810ft lb? The matco is a great gun though i don't think it comes anywhere near that much torque. A guy in the shop has one and he's only had a problem once, which a matco 1/2in took off no problem.
 
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