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edl

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hi guys - the mic's at ebay item 170190983518 did not sell - they went up to 227.50 - fellow's reserve was 300 - prior to this, he had them in craigslist local at 360 - have chatted with him and he will part with them for 275 - would you consider that a "good deal?" "market price?" "ripoff?" - thanks!! - ed :beer:
 
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I looked at them. Assuming they are in as good a shape as they look and are in as described condition I would say that is a very good price for what you are getting. If you price them out per each with MSC or the like I would estimate around 5-7 hundred. That is just a guess but I bet I am not off more than 100 bucks. Those are what I have and I luv em!
 

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Starret precision tools are considered the Royals Royce. They hold their value. With any precision tool I caution that they could have been abused and not be of the quality they appear on the screen. Great tools though.
 

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Starrett is one of the best and well known American manufacturers of machinist tools. They look to be in good condition. If they weren’t abused, used as c-clamps, I’d say they are fair priced. But not a steal. Here’s some current pricing (about $1,000.00 new) in case with standards... http://www.mytoolstore.com/starrett/micro013.html

I own a set of six individual Starrett micrometers from 1" to 6" for everyday use. You’ll find that the 1" mic's receives far more use than the rest put together. Hence I own a number of them.

For my precision work, I purchased these two sets of Mitutoyo Micrometers from 1" to 12" at action a few ago for about $300.00. They read in tenth’s (.0001"), locking, ratchet, have carbide tipped anvils, and standards. They came out of an inspection department at a medium sized manufacturing plant and I was the first to use them!

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You will be just a happy with Mitutoyo and they will be less expensive but not cheap in quality.
 

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Boy was I off on my prices or what! I guess 436 series Starrett mics have gotten considerably pricier than I remembered them new, I thought at the outside they might cost 800 new, but then again I did not factor in any kind of cases or standards either.
 

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Starret precision tools are considered the Royals Royce. They hold their value. With any precision tool I caution that they could have been abused and not be of the quality they appear on the screen. Great tools though.

How 'bout Rolls Royce?

I looked at the auction in question. Only the 6" mic reads 10ths, so I don't see much value in this set.

Looking in my Enco '07 master catalog (haven't rec'd the '08 yet), the 0-6 set retails for $1031.00, but this set reads to .0001

I don't see a set for the .001 mics, but adding up the individual prices I come up w $866.00.

I've started to shy away from Starrett.... their 6" calipers ****, and their last word test indicator seems ancient at best.
 

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How 'bout Rolls Royce?

I looked at the auction in question. Only the 6" mic reads 10ths, so I don't see much value in this set.

Looking in my Enco '07 master catalog (haven't rec'd the '08 yet), the 0-6 set retails for $1031.00, but this set reads to .0001

I don't see a set for the .001 mics, but adding up the individual prices I come up w $866.00.

I've started to shy away from Starrett.... their 6" calipers ****, and their last word test indicator seems ancient at best.

I don’t intend this to be a flaming war, or do I want to belittle anyone. But I don’t think you understand the operation of micrometer completely,, or maybe you didn’t put your knowledge to words correctly.

Reading a micrometer is like reading a scale (ruler). It is simply a more accurate scale than the linear type you may be used to. It is based on a 40 pitch thread. That means turning the thimble 40 turns will make the spindle advance 1 inch toward the anvil. And one turn it advances .025 inch. Hence there are 25 lines on the thimble from 1 to 25,, each one being .001 inch. Four complete turn will equal .100 inch. And so on…

A micrometer that reads in .0001 inch (Tenths as its’ called in the trade) is actually more accurate than one that only reads to the .001 inch (thousandths). Each thousandths of an inch is divided into ten tenths. Or ten tenths to a thousandths of an inch. This is read by the vernier lines from 1 to 10 on the side of the thimble. On micrometer without these lines, you can approximate them,, if it is halfway between two lines, then the reading would be five tenths higher than the lower number… .

You have to learn the “feel” of a micrometer in order to read it correctly. And it take years to learn this. In fact some never do! As it’s not a matter muscling down on the thimble to get a reading. Rather a light turning, and being able to sense the way the micrometer’s measuring surfaces slide across the work piece. The “standards” that come with the micrometer sets are used to get that feel and to calibrate the micrometer. Note: The 0 to 1 inch micrometer can be set by merely lightly turning the thimble until it closes on a piece of paper, then removing it see where it stops. Again with a light “feel”.

Another factor in reading a micrometer is the surface finish of the part being measured. A polished surface will read differently the a milled finish or a sand blasted surface. Also more care is needed when measuring round diameters. Also room temperature plays a big part in measuring things and can make inconsistent reading. Again nullifying the use of tenths… Lets get a handle about .001 inch. A human hair is normally .002 to .003 inch. Or a piece of cellophane paper from pack of cigarettes is .001. So why worry about tenths? For so many measurements around the shop .001 inch graduations will be good enough.

In my fifty years of being around tool and diemaking, I never came across any measuring instruments made by Roll Royse. Though Rolls Royce made cars, piston and jet engines. And in my book, The L S Starrett Company is one of the best manufacturers of precision tools, gages, and measuring instruments around the world.
 

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For so many measurements around the shop .001 inch graduations will be good enough.

In my fifty years of being around tool and diemaking, I never came across any measuring instruments made by Roll Royse. Though Rolls Royce made cars, piston and jet engines. And in my book, The L S Starrett Company is one of the best manufacturers of precision tools, gages, and measuring instruments around the world.

Here Here! well said indeed! :beer:
 
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Only the 6" mic reads 10ths, so I don't see much value in this set.

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to be clear, do folks believe that this set at $275, with the add ons and the caveat that HH said "[a]ssuming they are in as good a shape as they look and are in as described condition" these are in fact a good deal? - my research says yes...but you guys are the experts! - thanks again guys!!

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I'd keep shopping. I got a used Mitutoyo 0"-4" set that reads to 0.0001" for $140 off ebay a few years ago, in case with standards and wrenches. I could easily spend another $120 and get the 5" and 6" mics to make a 0"-6" that all read to tenths and cost almost the same as that Starrett set with the same quality. Good cheap precision measuring stuff goes for good prices on ebay quite a bit.

BTW OldCarGuy, you ****! $300? Thats a steal.:bowdown:
 
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so voting is:

1 good
1 market price
2 overpriced

ok...so it seems like the no's have it...gosh, it seemed like a really good buy at $275...i'll keep looking...thanks, ed
 
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so voting is:

1 good
1 market price
2 overpriced

ok...so it seems like the no's have it...gosh, it seemed like a really good buy at $275...i'll keep looking...thanks, ed

I still don't see it as a bad deal. Granted, OldCarGuy got a heck of a deal no denying it; however do you have the amount of time he has to go to the number of sales I suspect he goes to? Unless you are retired it is not likely. Well if you have no burning need for them I suppose you can wait and see what better pops up. You could also contact the guy that has the Starretts back and offer no more than a few bucks or so more than his ebay auction closed at and see if he bites, the worst you can do is he says no. As to usefullness of the mics, as I said before assuming they are as good as advertised, I am sure those are as accurate as you would have need for unless you plan on building a space shuttle or the like!Good luck.
 
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and in re-reading the posts, some of the "don't buys" were to say that there were Mitutoyo's out there cheaper - but that is not apples to apples - not to say Mit's are not same or better - but the real question is could one get Starrett's like this at that price or better - if yes, not a good deal - if no, then it is a good deal - whether one should buy a Mit or a Star is a different question than if these are a good value for a Star set - thanks, ed
 

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A micrometer that reads in .0001 inch (Tenths as its’ called in the trade) is actually more accurate than one that only reads to the .001 inch (thousandths).

It is actually good to understand the difference between resolution and accuracy. It is entirely possible for a one-thousandth reading micrometer to be more accurate than a ten-thousandths reading mic.

Those cheap Chinese DVMs some guys have in their tool boxes have .001 volt resolution, but the displayed reading can often be off by a full volt.

You make excellent points about all the factors involved in getting an accurate reading with contact-based measuring instruments. And, most guys can make out just fine with an accurate tool with .001" resolution. Race engine work demands the ability to measure to .0001"
 

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You have to learn the “feel” of a micrometer in order to read it correctly. And it take years to learn this. In fact some never do! As it’s not a matter muscling down on the thimble to get a reading. Rather a light turning, and being able to sense the way the micrometer’s measuring surfaces slide across the work piece. The “standards” that come with the micrometer sets are used to get that feel and to calibrate the micrometer. Note: The 0 to 1 inch micrometer can be set by merely lightly turning the thimble until it closes on a piece of paper, then removing it see where it stops. Again with a light “feel”.


I was reading the 1960 ed. of the Starrett Student machinist book the other day and they had a nice little section on "feel". What I like about the idea is that it shows that there something of the "art" still in it. I mean, here you've got a guy who, as a machinist, is in many ways deserving of incredible respect for learning his trade, and one of the tools of his trade isn't so much "scientific" as "intuitive". There's something really nice about that.

We (or, rather the shop) make a few things that are within the tolerances of a a few pieces pieces of paper and use Starrett instruments quite a bit.

Starrett, I understand will sometimes buy back old products.


There are a few things I'd like to get for home use when I get the funds. Just some basic rules and combination squares.

But we use calipers, micrometers, rules, and squares by Starrett and a few others. Also some cheapers ones as well.
 

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If you have access to a set of gauge blocks, using one for practice is a good way to develop your mic technique.

Personally I struggle to get .001" accuracy on my lathe and mill. Tenths is hardly a necessity.
 

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The “standards” that come with the micrometer sets are used to get that feel and to calibrate the micrometer. Note: The 0 to 1 inch micrometer can be set by merely lightly turning the thimble until it closes on a piece of paper, then removing it see where it stops. Again with a light “feel”.

I've always wondered why a 1" mic doesn't come with a standard. I've always checked mine against a feeler gauge. I once saw a 1" mic that came with a .500 standard. I don't remember what brand it was.
 

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I'm starting to be a little bit wary of newer Starrett stuff because the last couple of things that we have purchased for school (a rockwell hardness tester and a gauge block set) were both made in China. The Rockwell machine also didn't last more than 2 months before it broke so if I was buying Starrett I would double check the country of origin first.
 

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I'm starting to be a little bit wary of newer Starrett stuff because the last couple of things that we have purchased for school (a rockwell hardness tester and a gauge block set) were both made in China. The Rockwell machine also didn't last more than 2 months before it broke so if I was buying Starrett I would double check the country of origin first.

I think Starrrett has been quite clear in the marketing of their products that they have two levels of quality for their products. The first is the top shelf stuff that has always been expected of Starrett, the second level they have been up front and honest about in their advertising. The second level as I recall is labeled "Exact" or something of the like in addition to the Starrett name.

In fairness they have identified the "Exact" line is an line of import tools built to Starrett specs, or something close. I do not blame them. I would much prefer they do that than just turn off the lights and lock the doors because they could no longer remain competitive. If you buy "Exact" I think you would know what you are getting.

It isn't like you can't get the top of the line stuff, you just have to pay for it. Really when you think about it this is nothing different that what Snap-on has done with Blue Point, isn't it?
 

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I was once in layout Inspection at the plant I work at. When a new quality standard came in (ISO9000 I think), we were no longer allowed to use our own personal mikes to verify print dimensions on parts-they all had to be certified by an outside firm. By this time we were mostly using CMMs for everything,anyway, but the company gathered up all the boxed sets of "company property" mikes in the plant,and dumped them in a tub to be scrapped out:shocking: They had decided it was not worth certifying them.Some of these sets were unused sets of vintage Lufkin mikes,from 0-12". As you might imagine, they all got fished out of the tub and taken home-too bad we had to leave the beautiful boxes for them.:(
 

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I was once in layout Inspection at the plant I work at. When a new quality standard came in (ISO9000 I think), we were no longer allowed to use our own personal mikes to verify print dimensions on parts-they all had to be certified by an outside firm. By this time we were mostly using CMMs for everything,anyway, but the company gathered up all the boxed sets of "company property" mikes in the plant,and dumped them in a tub to be scrapped out:shocking: They had decided it was not worth certifying them.Some of these sets were unused sets of vintage Lufkin mikes,from 0-12". As you might imagine, they all got fished out of the tub and taken home-too bad we had to leave the beautiful boxes for them.:(

I hate stories like that that don't have a totally happy ending. On the plus side you saved the mics, but losing the fitted original boxes really blows! :(
 

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I'm talking about maybe 10 complete boxed sets of Lufkins,too,along with loads of loose mikes from long-gone makers like JT Slocomb and Tubular Micrometer co. (Tumico?)-it was that much stuff.All the Starrett height stands went into the tub,too. It was a feeding frenzy for a while when guys realized these were going to be dumped. I don't have much call for measuring something 11.997" these days, but if I do,I'm ready.:bounce:
 

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I was once in layout Inspection at the plant I work at. When a new quality standard came in (ISO9000 I think), we were no longer allowed to use our own personal mikes to verify print dimensions on parts-they all had to be certified by an outside firm. By this time we were mostly using CMMs for everything,anyway, but the company gathered up all the boxed sets of "company property" mikes in the plant,and dumped them in a tub to be scrapped out:shocking: They had decided it was not worth certifying them.Some of these sets were unused sets of vintage Lufkin mikes,from 0-12". As you might imagine, they all got fished out of the tub and taken home-too bad we had to leave the beautiful boxes for them.:(

We got around certifying every set of mic's by marking them all "For Reference Use Only" and had no problem. As a matter of fact we were the first shop in North America registered as QS-9000 with the TE (tooling & engeneering) supplement. I would have loved to join that dumpster dive though.

Once you get to measuring in the 10ths with a set of mic's you are just guessing anyway.
 

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I'm a big fan of older 50's and 60's vintage Craftsman and PowrKraft mics. Many were made by Starrett and Lufkin (among others) and are usually much cheaper on e-Bay than the branded items.
 
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