To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

Bosch CCS180B Circular Saw 18v: Also CRS180B Recip Saw

Bull

Super Moderator
Joined
Dec 12, 2005
Messages
16,189
Location
MA
Does anyone on here have one of these? I don't have a cordless circ saw, and since I got in on the Sears deal for an Impactor impact driver set, I figure it makes sense to try and buy tools all from one brand/battery family.

The reviews for this are mostly positive, but with some real negative ones thrown in, mentions of low power, flimsy plastic lower blade guard etc. I trust guys here more than the Amazon average, so I figured I'd ask.

DeWalt stuff is on sale at Amazon today, and the circ and recip saws (bare) are cheaper than the Bosch stuff, But, then I'd have to buy a charger and batteries too, so the savings won't be there.

I'm also interested in their recip saw. I see some reviews that indicate excessive vibration. Any of you have one?
 
Last edited:
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

GSteg

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 27, 2009
Messages
1,295
Location
Earth
I have the circular saw and it's pretty nice. For cuts here and there, it's my to-go saw. I've had the stock blade bind on me a couple times. Switched it out to the Freud Diablo blade and now the thing cuts like butter!

BTW, I'm also using the compact battery and runtime is somewhat short. When the 4AH battery comes out, I'll be getting one for sure.
 

W_KY

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 29, 2008
Messages
458
Location
Bowling Green, KY
Bull - I don't have either of those saws but I will just make this general comment about any cordless circular saw I have used: They are extremely convenient if you have a few boards to cut and as a homeowner with weekend projects, I made it through several years with only a cordless version. Just don't expect to run all day ripping plywood. I have since added a corded circular saw to my arsenal and the power difference is tremendous. I do like how the cordless is very light. I have a Dewalt XRP 18V cordless that came in a kit.

I have always been very pleased with my Bosch tools but they are all corded.
 
OP
B

Bull

Super Moderator
Joined
Dec 12, 2005
Messages
16,189
Location
MA
GSteg, no complaints about the plastic lower guard? How long does a slim pack battery last? Is the saw made in China, or Malaysia?

W_KY: I have a ridgid worm drive saw for ripping plywood and stuff like that. I just want a saw that can cut through 2x material (crosscuts) and maybe do stuff like cut through small sections of 3/4 hardwood flooring during a demo I also intend to use this saw to cut through foam board insulation, with the blade reversed.
 

GSteg

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 27, 2009
Messages
1,295
Location
Earth
Thhe plastic guard does feel flimsy but I cant complain because so far it hasn't given me trouble.
 

cheechi

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 29, 2012
Messages
4,384
Location
Triad, NC
I have had both the CCS180 & CRS180 for about 4 years, maybe more at this point. The recip is great, use it with the adapter/kit thing at Lowe's that gives you file/brush attachments, cutting metal, pruning branches, old hardwood. I think it works at close to or at the level of dad's 90's DeWalt 10 amp.

If you're using a recip saw, there will be some vibration. Compared to an oscillator tool through the same material, it's not very much. You will get more with harder materials of course.

The circular saw, it's not bad. That's the best I can say about it though.

I've used it here and there, right now there's a metal blade on it for some work that has to be square, that I didn't want to do on my nicer corded circ. I'll be honest with you, I will get the corded 99 times out of 100, in general the cordless circ saws are not on that same level. PVC and framing lumber sure it will cut through, but again that's more dependent on a good blade than a good saw. It stays square pretty well, it's not 'too light' like a jigsaw can be, but it's just not the perfect tool for anything. So many people argue with me when I say this, but I genuinely don't see a need for a cordless one for most contractors or homeowners. Seriously even a lower powered corded one is just so much better in every way.

That said, I personally think they designed it to be as good as the DeWalt 18v at the time and were satisfied when it was that good or slightly better. They have never come out with a revision, attachments (Bosch is really big about their dust chute for the circ saw in Europe) or anything else. It's just part of the kit, just like the DeWalt one is.

The guard is no more annoying than the guard on any other circ saw. I have used mine enough and tossed it around enough (my kit came with a bag, not a case) that I'm confident saying if it was going to break, it would have by now.

I have a 18v DeWalt bare recip that I don't want, if you do PM me.
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!
OP
B

Bull

Super Moderator
Joined
Dec 12, 2005
Messages
16,189
Location
MA
Thank you for the detailed review, Cheechi. The underwhelming reviews on the circular saw bother me. I want ONE cordless family of tools to simplify everything. One charger type, one type of batteries. The fact that the Bosch isn't that great complicates things for me. I just bought the 18v Impactor when there was a deal. It was supposed to be the founding father of my cordless tool family. Now I wonder if I made the right choice (impact is great, btw). Some of the other 18v cordless saws get very strong reviews on Amazon.

If I am renovating a room, I don't like having to run cords from other parts of the house for tools.
 
Last edited:

cheechi

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 29, 2012
Messages
4,384
Location
Triad, NC
Oh you did. If I had to do it again with an 18v kit, given what's out now, I'd still go Bosch.

I want to clarify one thing though. It's not that the Bosch circ saw is 'just ok' it's that all cordless circ saws are 'just ok' I've used Bosch, Dewalt, Hitachi, & PC. My DeWalt 15 amp circ would of course blow them all out of the water but even my old Skil 8 amp that I gave dad is just a more powerful saw by a big margin.

Honestly I think what it is, the cordless use too small a blade. Read this & watch the video, this is basically the same as the one you're looking at. All the good things he says, same as the Bosch. The only difference is when you need to go through something more than just a brand new dry 2x4 you will want a corded one.
 
OP
B

Bull

Super Moderator
Joined
Dec 12, 2005
Messages
16,189
Location
MA
Oh you did. If I had to do it again with an 18v kit, given what's out now, I'd still go Bosch.

I want to clarify one thing though. It's not that the Bosch circ saw is 'just ok' it's that all cordless circ saws are 'just ok' I've used Bosch, Dewalt, Hitachi, & PC. My DeWalt 15 amp circ would of course blow them all out of the water but even my old Skil 8 amp that I gave dad is just a more powerful saw by a big margin.

Honestly I think what it is, the cordless use too small a blade. Read this & watch the video, this is basically the same as the one you're looking at. All the good things he says, same as the Bosch. The only difference is when you need to go through something more than just a brand new dry 2x4 you will want a corded one.


That clarification helps. Overall, why would you still go with Bosch for your 18v kit?
 

itguy08

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 5, 2012
Messages
119
I think for the cordless circular saw you have to realize a couple limitations of not having a cord. I've got the lowly Craftsman C3 7.5 inch and generally really like it. Its my only circular saw. You do need the highest capacity LiIon you can get as it will **** a NiCad or slim battery in a couple cuts.

You also wouldn't want to use it for, say framing a house or building a deck. The power just isn't there. But for small cuts, it will do fine. I recently built a ramp for our shed and used it there. Made good work of cutting the pressure treated 2x8s on the diagonal 3 of them at 4 feet each. 2 of them were God knows how old left from the previous owner. This was with the large LiIon battery. It will cut plywood, MDF, etc. It may be slow going but it will get it done.

I think you have to think what you are going to use it for. For DIY/homeowner type stuff it may be the only circular saw you need until you build a deck or addition. I'd say if your going Bosch and can live with the limitations, go for it.
 

cheechi

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 29, 2012
Messages
4,384
Location
Triad, NC
That clarification helps. Overall, why would you still go with Bosch for your 18v kit?

I want to make it a point that I worked as a contractor apprentice for a good chunk of my teenage years, so that formed my opinions and criteria for the tools I learned to work with in those days. I'm not an expert by any means, but I know what worked for me, may not be the best for everyone. Some of the things that may not be relevant to you affect my decision. Also, I'm short and stout. I'm very hands on. I sometimes swap tools with another guy working on projects to get a feel for it outside the store displays.

First, most guys you see are going to be using DeWalt. Next I would say is probably Milwaukee, Makita, and Bosch all pretty much equal. If anything, just in terms of drills, the Bosch may be the least common so it's easier to tell your stuff apart from others, or to tell if someone has one that used to be yours. I see more Ryobi than Cman C3. The Bosch stuff shows dirt less and the plastic doesn't crack near as easily as the yellow. I've seen the rubber lose little chunks near the edges, but never the sun-baked hardening or the whole thing peeling off like older Milwaukee stuff has. It feels right in my hands.

Second, if you are in the middle of a job and your tool breaks, or your last battery dies, you just need to get to the closest store and back to work, you get the DeWalt. I don't have a Menard's nearby so I will only compare the other 3 places, all of which carry DeWalt. 2 of 3 carry Bosch, only one carry Milwaukee, Ridgid or Cman. Bosch & DeWalt you can count on something being on sale at some store nearly all the time, so if you're on a budget and/or don't mind waiting you can get what you need where you can afford it.

Here's a comparison of some drills from many brands, the Bosch comes out best overall. This one article isn't all you need to make a decision, i know, but it's one thing that can help. Here's another, specific to 12v tools, but it does reinforce the idea that Bosch is doing something right with their drills.

I think their hammer drill is the best. Period. Milwaukee and DeWalt have already come out with the brushless, Bosch not yet, but typically that doesn't matter. If you need the top impact driver for now, today, to get a job done, I would suggest the M18. Nothing wrong with the DeWalt but that's just how I would go. 20v Max still has some time to catch up with Milwaukee. So besides drills, typically the cornerstone of the 18v tool kit, why else would I recommend them?

The batteries/electronic circuit protection/wiring & general electronic guts. I've had to take part of one driver apart to align the chassis back together, got to see everything pretty much perfectly in its channels, even after dropping enough to need some maintenance. I've seen the guts of XRP drills & recips, not nearly as neat and in some cases, the cases pinch the wires something bad. The batteries just have a better fit & finish to them, they don't feel as warm when you run them hard, they tend to go longer in hot hot days (and in the stifling attic in July) they wouldn't need to kick in the overload. Others, not so much. Have a cable guy friend whose DeWalts kick off in attics & crawlspaces often enough he has to keep the truck running with AC on full some days in August.

The jigsaw. A Bosch jigsaw is pretty much all you have to say. The others may be just fine, but I would put mine up against either one and I know for sure the DeWalts just don't have that solid feeling that you need when you put it up against a straghtedge, or on a sheet or sticking out piece that's just floppy enough that it's going to affect your cut, if that makes sense. The Bosch one just is easier to hold onto that edge, the vibration of the tool isn't felt as much in the hand so it's easier to steer the cut. I feel like I'm not really explaining it well but it is better.

The recip saw. Nothing wrong with the Milwaukee, it's a little wimpy feeling but it works. The 20v can do 4 position that the others can't, the 18v is a vet of many worksites and plenty of people will tell you it's done great for them, but to me the Bosch is better. I don't have the 'faster cut' comparison but generally it's just got that right feel, big & beefy to keep it where you want it, but not overly so.

The radio. May not matter to you at all, and the Bosch one (the 360D, spend the extra) is the more expensive but it's also the best by a big margin. The upcoming 20v we only have details, no real tests yet, but seriously, the Bosch is the best of what's out today.

The light. It's a small detail, but the DeWalt & M18 ones are drill-handle style. The Bosch one fits a lot of places, and the handle props it better than I originally thought it would.

I haven't used either the angle or die grinder they make. I have used the DeWalt angle grinder to cut padlocks off and it's what you'd expect, nothing special. I want both but they eat through batteries. Haven't had a need for the rotary hammer either, and I would go corded unless I absolutely had to, but either way, it's called a Boschhammer for a reason.
 
OP
B

Bull

Super Moderator
Joined
Dec 12, 2005
Messages
16,189
Location
MA
itguy and cheechi: thanks for your replies. I certainly found them to be useful and am sure other do/will as well.
 

itguy08

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 5, 2012
Messages
119
No problem at all. I think the bottom line is you have to remember these tools are 80-95% as powerful as their corded cousins. As long as you keep that in mind you'll do fine.

Other than that it's what fits best in YOUR hands and works for how you work. I think as long as you stick with one of the major brands - Bosch, Dewalt, Makita, Milwaukee (in no particular order other than alphabetical) you should have a system that will serve you well for a long time.
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!
Top Bottom