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samthedog

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I have been a tinkerer for years. My father was a petrol and diesel mechanic, then later branched out into the building trade so I have grown up around machines and the smell of oil. When I lived in Australia getting quality machines was difficult since Asia Pacific mostly imports from Taiwan and China. This all changed when I moved to Norway a few years ago.

Norway used to be an industrial country that was very self sufficient. Of late though, more industry has been created related to the oil and gas area and production has suffered. This means that there is a world of wonderful European tools available to the savvy home machinist / carpenter / tinkerer... like me.

Having moved to a new house a year ago, my garage was un-insulated and started out like this:

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I had initially begun moving tools into it but hadn't moved my machines since condensation would cause them to rust. I have machines and tools in order to fix machines. None of the tools I own were bought without a specific purpose and an immediate need. For example, I started with this:

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And worked on it to get it to this state:

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This required mechanical tools and some specialized tools which were purchased along the way. Most of the time I buy broken machines, repair them, then sell them. This allows me to upgrade to more industrial quality equipment while also avoiding the credit trap.

I recognized the need for an insulated, well lit and machine friendly workshop. I needed 3 phase power and as many outlets as possible. I begun with insulation and cladding the walls. A light coloured paint made a huge difference:

Before:

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After:

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I had recognized the need for smart storage solutions since I needed to be able to keep the garage clean. Machines don't like dust and grinding my own tools meant that I needed to be able to do this outside since the abrasive dust would destroy the fine tolerances of my machines. The solution was to utilize rolling work benches as grinding or work stations.

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Even my plastic storage containers are located on a rolling rack in order to move it out of the way. This means that moving machines in and out of the garage is a breeze.

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Like most people on this site, my garage is a work in progress. A few months ago I managed to move in the last of the machines. The next post will show you how it looks at the moment.

Paul.
 
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samthedog

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Once a break in the weather came, I took the chance to move my machines. The garage as it looks today:

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I am currently repairing the lathe. I am changing the electric and all the oil seals and gaskets. I have recently completed similar work on the mill and also refurbed my drrill press.

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Even my workbench was a renovation project. This how I managed to build up to what I currently have for a fraction of what these tools normally cost since I buy broken, repair and sell on. I upgrade each time I buy a new item until I have the ideal machine.

As you can also tell, I enjoy quality machine tools and have been fortunate enough to get a decent collection of Inca, Lini, Colchester, Jungner and Ixion tools. All requiring some form of repair. I see what other pictures I can post up to make this interesting.

Paul.
 

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WOW I like it a lot! That is one very neat, well organized and hard working shop. I am very impressed and hope you keep the thread going to show more of your machine rebuilds.
You are going to be tagged as the neighborhood repair shop!
 

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Very nicely done!

It appears you started with a bare shell of a shop and did extensive insulation and paneling; any details on that work? What are you using for a heat source? Since you live in Norway, I assume you do experience some very cold winters, did you add extra insulation to the garage doors? Speaking of doors, I didn't notice a man door, any intention of adding one?

I really like your approach to tool acquisition. Could you perhaps post a little history of say, your lathes? What was your first, its source, condition and cost, and then tell how you moved up to the 'next level'? I'm inclined to do the same, but the market for such machinery in my region is very sparse, so I'm still looking for those rare 'good deals' on used machinery without much success.

Looking forward to learning more about your shop and the work you have done; thanks.
 

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Nice shop!

I notice you have the lathe on a pallet and the mill on some pretty tall feet, expecting a flood?
 
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Very nicely done!

It appears you started with a bare shell of a shop and did extensive insulation and paneling; any details on that work? What are you using for a heat source? Since you live in Norway, I assume you do experience some very cold winters, did you add extra insulation to the garage doors? Speaking of doors, I didn't notice a man door, any intention of adding one?

I Used glass fiber insulation 100mm thick in the walls and ceiling. The garage doors were already insulated when I bought the place however there were large gaps between the garage doors and the wall. I fixed this with brush sels usually used under doors. This provided a decent seal so that even in -20 celcius the garage stayed above freezing. If I need extra heat I just turn on a fan forced heater while I work and that makes things quite warm. My plan is to move some IR lamps in there to provide more efficient and instant heat for when I am working.

There is no regular door since this will come at a cost of wall space. I just raise the garage door up 4 feet and duck under it and quickly close it again.

I really like your approach to tool acquisition. Could you perhaps post a little history of say, your lathes? What was your first, its source, condition and cost, and then tell how you moved up to the 'next level'? I'm inclined to do the same, but the market for such machinery in my region is very sparse, so I'm still looking for those rare 'good deals' on used machinery without much success.

Looking forward to learning more about your shop and the work you have done; thanks.

My first lathe was the Emco Maximat in the previous post. It came from a machine shop where it was used to make fine tolerance components. It had a crashed gearbox, damage to the tool post collar, rumbling bearings and broken shear pins. The electrical box was also malfunctioning and missing buttons. I purchased it for about 900 USD despite the damage since it had a large number of accessories that would make resale easier. I spent a further 110 USD on paint, bearings and shear pins. It took about 3 months of spare time to get it to the state where everything was working smoothly. I sold it on for 3 times what I paid and invested this into the Colchester Chipmaster.

The Chipmaster was a big step up and is really a professional grade machine. It has its share of issues... mostly oil leaks and electrics for 400 volt 3 phase. I have changed out the magnetic switch, changed the motor over from wye to delta, but am having issues with the no-voltage protection circuit. Despite this, it came with a good list of accessories and was in very good condition, showing little wear.

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The key when buying machines is knowing what you are looking for / at. I use this website:

machine reference archive

The idea behind the mill and lathe is that I can manufacture parts for machines that are no longer in production. All the major tools in my workshop are obsolete now. I am not scared off by this though as I can still repair anything that breaks on them. The ability to do this opens up possibilities that most people would avoid, meaning that for a very limited budget, I have managed to create a decent wood and metal shop.

Paul.
 
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Nice shop!

I notice you have the lathe on a pallet and the mill on some pretty tall feet, expecting a flood?

I will be tiling the garage soon so I need to be able to get the pallet jack under the mill to move it. Once tiled I will drop it down. The lathe is on a pallet so I can move it about the garage while I am repairing it. I will then tile the floor and drop it into position and level it.

I have tried to think ahead and leave the machines in a state that makes my future garage plans easier to execute. Moving 550 KG machines is difficult and dangerous. This reduces some of that difficulty.

paul.
 
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Great shop. I like it a lot.
You said you also did work on the mill, any pics of it?
What is the mill standing on?

I had rewire the mill and change out the o rings and seals. I estimate that the mill is from the early 70's and the lathe is from 1964. I have the mill on anti vibration pads and extra long bolts. This way I can use a wrench to lift it so I can get my pallet jack under it. I still need to fix some damage that a careless operator has done to the table but will take care of that later since at the moment it is operating and I want to use it instead of fix it ;)

It was initially designed as a jig borer / mill but given it's size and rigidity. it makes a good mill. It's no deckel or Aciera but it is also much easier to repair due to it's simplicity. It has power downfeed and a gear reduction for heavy drilling or threading. There is more info here:

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Here are some pictures:

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Man I really like this a lot. Simple and really effective. The machines are great. I may have to use your idea to finish the ceiling in my garage.

Bryan
 
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Man I really like this a lot. Simple and really effective. The machines are great. I may have to use your idea to finish the ceiling in my garage.

Bryan

I cheated with the ceiling. Instead of putting up battons, I just nailed straight into the trusses with a pin nailer in order to secure the ceiling. For the automatic door brackets and fixtures, I just cut out the wood to fit around them. This meant that I didn't have to re-set garage doors and runners (which is a major issue). The only issue will be when I put a C channel rail up for a winch. I will need to strengthen the truss with a supporting beam.

Paul.
 
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I figured I would put up a few more pictures of equipment that I think is very useful. When I started working on machines, I quickly found that although strong, I wasn't strong enough to haul 500kg + around. I decided I needed a solution which would also solve the problem of needing help from farmers and their tractors to lift things off the trailer. I decided to get a high lift pallet jack.

I found a jack that wasn't working right and picked it up for about $500 which is a good deal for a European made jack. Getting it home was easy... lifting it off the trailer by myself was hard. I checked it's weight when I was done... 235 kg.

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I bled the hydraulic fluid and refilled it. I bled the air out and it now works like a charm. It can lift up to 1000kg 1.2 meters high. This means that any heavy equipment can be loaded or unloaded un assisted whenever I like. It also means that everything in the garage is moveable whenever I want to clean or re-organize.

Paul.
 

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Since wife got the shoulder surgery (http://orthopedics.about.com/od/shoulderelbow/a/arthroscopic.htm)
two weeks ago, photos like your are showing make me wince!! I can see your strong and well made, but you DON'T want what she just went through. She is 65 and it was a tough few days just after the surgery.
Just be cautious please on that lifting. I am preaching to myself for when I was your age I did it as well!!
We get one (1) body and one set of everything that goes with it.
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Hey there Spencer, I am already paying the price from years of martial arts and rugby. Unfortunately when I was even younger I thought I was ten feet tall and bullet proof and now I am getting aches and pains when the temperature changes.

I have attempted to build my garage so I can use the pallet jack and an electric winch to move things about. My winch will be installed soon and will roll in a piece of C channel so that I can lift objects onto my rolling working station. This means I don't have to lug heavy parts around anymore. Since getting an office job I have gotten a little softer, rounder and less robust :sad:

Paul.
 

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Thanks for the answers to my questions.

In regard to the last picture you posted; OUCH!
That lifting position would cause a person with hemroids to hemorrhage! LOL

It looks like your concrete is fairly rough and/or spalled; will you have to grind it prior to tiling? What size tile will you choose? I've read that the flatter the floor, the larger you can go with tile size without having to create a mortar bed and use thin set mortar. How are you planning to treat the garage door thresholds, bull nose tile or metal?
 
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Thanks for the answers to my questions.

In regard to the last picture you posted; OUCH!
That lifting position would cause a person with hemroids to hemorrhage! LOL

No problems, ask away. I did power lifting for a while so it was more of a deadlift but still was damn heavy. I didn't realise how heavy it actually was until I looked at the specs for the pallet jack. If I had known earlier I probably wouldn't have tried it.

It looks like your concrete is fairly rough and/or spalled; will you have to grind it prior to tiling? What size tile will you choose? I've read that the flatter the floor, the larger you can go with tile size without having to create a mortar bed and use thin set mortar. How are you planning to treat the garage door thresholds, bull nose tile or metal?

This all depends on what type of tiling I choose to do. I can get large tiles quite cheap and if I went that route, I would first pour a composite self levelling concrete. I would treat the existing concrete with a primer to make it stick. The reason why I wouldn't grind is because the pressure would be perpendicular to the tile - acting directly down. It's not a wet room or damp environment so I have no fear of the tiles lifting.

I have also concidered a special PVC tile. The advantage is that it will flex, and that it is an industrial tile used in store rooms and industry:

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If I use a self levelling concrete and get the floor quite flat, I have also considered using a roll out PVC floor covering:

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This would be sufficient and also very cost effective. It will come in at a third of the cost of PVC floor tiles (things in Norway are a total rip off). For example, PVC floor tiles will cost me $2136 USD.

Whichever way I go, I will likely use metal strips for the threshold. I have seen people make the threshold from high strength tile glue and this has held up very well over time. At this point though I am still of 2 minds of wether to use ceramic, or pvc. And if pvc, tile or roll :dunno:

Paul.
 
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The older Colchester lathes are real beauties. What make is the mill? There are not to many older quality mills available in weight and price class suitable for a home shop. This one looks perfectly neat.
 
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The older Colchester lathes are real beauties. What make is the mill? There are not to many older quality mills available in weight and price class suitable for a home shop. This one looks perfectly neat.

Hello Magnus,The mill is a Jungner VF600, which was originally built by Mattson & Zetterlund until they were bought by Jungner.

This mill is great because it is 550 kg and has a very useful speed range. The other benefit is that it is a belt drive. Most people say they like gear boxes, but I like belts on mills because they are quiet and cheap to replace.

I paid more than I wanted to but given how little use the mill had seen, I thought it was still a good buy.

Paul.
 
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The VF600's come up for sale every now and again.

Industrimaskiner AS is where I bought my Colchester lathe. I saw it on

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while I was on holidays in Australia and rang them. I told them to hold it for me for 4 weeks which they did. They are really good to deal with and are old fashioned, honest business people who keep their word. There was 1 other guy who wanted it but he rang later on the same day I rang. They still held it for me :)

Just be aware they are simple machines but because of their simplicity, they are easy to repair. The old machinist at Industrimaskiner AS is very knowledgable and loves his machines and said there was no comparison between the Jungner VF600 and a Deckel - meaning the Deckel was a much more sophisticated machine. I don't mind though since the VF600 does everything I need.

Paul.
 

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nick work on the lathe restore. As I look at your pics,I only see one thing missing. room to work on big project. I have just got a hold of a large canvas tarp, which is allowing me to work on big stuff outsiee it the shade.
 
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nick work on the lathe restore. As I look at your pics,I only see one thing missing. room to work on big project. I have just got a hold of a large canvas tarp, which is allowing me to work on big stuff outsiee it the shade.

Thanks Drew.

When I need the space, I move everything to the walls in order to work on big stuff. Most things have wheels and those that don't I move with the trolley jack. I needed a flexible workspace since we get a lot of rain or snow here and every project needs to be worked on indoors.

Paul.
 

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hi Paul.
Love your tools. Where in norway do you live? Ive been looking around for a mill for a long time but its hard to find something used and not too expensive..
Any hints where to look?

ze
 

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Paul good to see you posting again. Your shop is really nice and I like the way you have things redone and set up. I would feel right at home in your place. Keep in touch and your looking good on everything you have done. I really like your belt sander, not sure I have ever seen one just like that. Does it also have a round disc atachment?
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hi Paul.
Love your tools. Where in norway do you live? Ive been looking around for a mill for a long time but its hard to find something used and not too expensive..
Any hints where to look?

ze

Hello Ze, you can try blocket.se

There is a mill for sale there now:

Jungner mill

With the exchange you should be saving about 10% except you will need to drive to Sweden to pick it up. They are available from time to time here in Norway but are usually much more expensive.

Paul.
 
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Paul good to see you posting again. Your shop is really nice and I like the way you have things redone and set up. I would feel right at home in your place. Keep in touch and your looking good on everything you have done. I really like your belt sander, not sure I have ever seen one just like that. Does it also have a round disc atachment?
Cheers
Herb Spencer

Hello Herb. Thanks for stopping in on the thread. The sander I have is actually a Tiawanese made belt grinder from a fabrication plant. I don't have a disk sander but have been looking at a wood belt sander (the one set up with vertical spindles).

I used to do a lot of work re-profiling and repairing axes which was why I trade an oxy acetaline set-up for this grinder in the first place.

Paul.
 

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Hello Sam,

Love your workshop. Especially all of your quality tools. What brand tablesaw do you have? Also is that a combo planer/jointer?


Bret
 
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Hello Sam,

Love your workshop. Especially all of your quality tools. What brand tablesaw do you have? Also is that a combo planer/jointer?


Bret

G'day Bret. Yes, that is a combo jointer planer made by Inca. Unfortunately they are not manufactured anymore but there are still some getting around. They were a quality Swiss made machine. The table saw is a Lini which was made in Sweden (by the company Ejca). Again, no longer manufactured but such a well designed and quality tool that I couldn't pass it up. One of the reasons I have the mill and lathe (both are also no longer produced) is to manufacture parts for the beautiful but obsolete machines that turn up frequently here in Norway that require some new parts.

Paul.
 

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Hello Ze, you can try blocket.se

There is a mill for sale there now:

Jungner mill

With the exchange you should be saving about 10% except you will need to drive to Sweden to pick it up. They are available from time to time here in Norway but are usually much more expensive.

Paul.

Thanks Paul
Maybe i should start looking both in sweden and also for other brands than the typical Bridgeport/Lagun machines.
I got a quote from a used machine dealer in Denmark and a typical older bridgeport was 27K DKR, which i find too expensive.

Another part is tools. the more tool i get with the machine the better it is. the need for a mill is a need to make stuff the boat im building...

anyway..

have a nice easter.


ze

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Thanks Ze. 27 000 DK is pretty expensive but if it comes with lots of tooling it isn't too bad. You will easily pay the same for the tooling as you have for the machine. People don't seem to realize this when they get into the hobby.

I would be looking in Sweden since in Norway people want new prices for worn-out machines. Have a happy Easter.

Paul.
 
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Nice shop and machines.

What is the story behind your choice of Samthedog screen name?

G'day Mac. I used to have 2 Staffordshire Bull Terriers in Australia, one of which was called Sam. Despite having a fearsome reputation he was a sweetheart and went with me at all times.

Paul.
 

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hi sam
it seems you have done your homework on mills. is there any brand you would suggest for a quality mill except bridgeport mills which everyyone is looking for?
weightclass: possible to tow home with a car/trailer.

thanks for advice,

ze
 
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Ze, this depends on the capacity you need. Some mills that would work for you would be Aciera F3, Deckel FP1, Deckel FP2, Arboga EM825, Maho 600.

Paul.
 
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