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Garage Floor Porcelain tile install - my project

SapesOfIndia

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I am starting this thread to keep track of my project. Suggestions are welcome. With my pace this is going to take months. I am doing a trial run on the backyard open patio first.

Garage Size:
400 sq ft.
Floor slopes toward the door. It is not perfectly flat but not sure how flat it really needs to be.

Tiling Experience:
None. :bounce: Read a lot on this and John Bridge's Tile forum.
Plus is that I have an engineering brain.

Tile:
GBI Tile & Stone Inc. 18-in x 18-in Capri Rust Thru Body Porcelain Floor Tile. Rectified and PEI 5 rated.

Garage Floor:
It looks like the floor is sealed. Water does not go down quickly,
Oil stains from all my oil change mishaps.
Planning to do phosphoric acid treatment but not sure if that is the right step. Don;t feel like scarring the surface with buffer. (Allergy person)

Crack Prevention:
Concrete has settlement cracks on house side edge. Otherwise no significant cracks. House was constructed by renowned builder or so they say.
Got some Redgard to cover hairline cracks, just in case.

Thinset:
Bought Custom's Flexbond from Home Depot

Grout:
TBD. I would like epoxy but can't build courage to use it first time.:headscrat
Expansion caulk -TBD (Thanks cbracer)

Tile Leveling:
Planning to use LASH system

Tile spacing:
Debating whether to rely on LASH system's width or to go for 3/16 (Bought spacers for 3/16 just in case)
Tiles are not exactly what they say (usually and it is a good thing so that tile+grout line=actual desired size). Mine are actually 45 cmx45 cm and they are not even that. They are little less.

Tile Cuts:
These should be minimum unless I get an itch to create a pattern
Got QEP Master Cut 3/5 HP Direct-Drive Motor Wet Tile Saw with 7 in. Diamond Blade for Ceramic Tile

Other Tools:
Got 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 Trowel
Knee pads
Have some sponges at home
Microfiber Towels for grout cleanup (Thanks Jeffksf)
One pair of gloves. Might need more.

What else?
Wish me luck.
 
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I am also preparing to do a porcelain tile floor in my garage / office (425 sq ft)
For a long time it was a garage that I parked my Corvette in and I used it as an office as well.
I have remodeled and transformed it into an office that I will park my car in. The room now has wainscoting and crown molding. It looks very nice and now is ready for the flooring.

I was told that porcelain was the tile to use over ceramic. My biggest concern is driving my car in after I am finished and breaking the tile. I have never put down tile myself. The office / garage will not be used as a working garage, but only to park in.

Any suggestions? I am ready to get started nd finished. What should I expect to spend on porcelain tile?
Thanks for the help.
 
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Surface Source 12-in x 12-in Ceramic Slate Grey Glazed Porcelain Floor Tile
Item #: 14932 | Model #: 97518979034

Waveland, MS
9020 Highway 603
Waveland, MS 39576, Store #2350
Phone: (228) 463-8788 | Fax: (228) 463-8789
Mon-Sat 6 Am - 9 Pm, Sun 8 Am - 7 Pm

I bought 100 sq ft of this tile. It is not as dark as the picture but it is absolutely beautiful. For your purpose it will be perfect. It shows 607 sq ft available. Order at least 10% more than what you need and preferably just order it all. It is just 36 cents a sq ft. It is only PEI 4 which should not be an issue and it is not rectified which is also not an issue unless you are specifically looking for PEI 5 and rectified.

And yes, order it online for store pickup NOW so that no one else snatches it from you. :)

If you need to see them first the 35 are available at E. New Orleans, LA
5770 Read Boulevard, New Orleans, LA.
Order at both places, then check it out at this store, and then decide what you want to do.
 
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It is only PEI 4 which should be an issue and it is not rectified which is also not an issue unless you are specifically looking for PEI 5 and rectified.

I have no idea what this means. Can you tell me more?

I would rather have the 18" square tile I think. Not sure.
 
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It is only PEI 4 which should be an issue and it is not rectified which is also not an issue unless you are specifically looking for PEI 5 and rectified.

I have no idea what this means. Can you tell me more?

I would rather have the 18" square tile I think. Not sure.

it was a typo which I corrected later.
PEI 4 is fine for garage. You should plan on at least 1/8 or 3/16 grout lines with non-rectified tiles. As long as you are not planning to use 1/16 you don;t need rectified tiles.

I feel that I should have bought 12".
18 in tiles are heavy and need more leveled surface for installation.
 

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The Johnbridge forum won't lead you astray. I have been on that forum for years helping people out. You will get good answers there.
 
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Should I worry about the tile breaking under the weight of the car?
Is there a special way to lay the tile to prevent this from happening?

I am no expert here but from what I read you should have full coverage (at least 90%). "Back buttering" tiles will help achieve that. Thinset should also be embedded on floor and for that you should "burn" thinset on the floor (means scrape it in various directions with the flat side) before combing it in straight line with the notched side.

Voids under tile make them creak. Otherwise tile is much stronger then equivalent sized concrete.

Once tiles gets bonded with the floor it they are supposed to be indestructible.
 
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Nobody worries about doing a sublayer like ditra or some isolation membrane? What about expansion caulk every few feet? Guess some people are just too paranoid when laying tile.
 

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I'm interested in how long this takes a DIYer with no prior experience to complete. ~400 to 500 sq ft doesn't sound bad, but I've got 1300 to do! I don't want to spend a week on something like this...
 

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I'm interested in how long this takes a DIYer with no prior experience to complete. ~400 to 500 sq ft doesn't sound bad, but I've got 1300 to do! I don't want to spend a week on something like this...

A week!? If you are on your own...you will and then some. Heck, it took me 26 hours to prep, move, and lay 800 sq ft of "click lock" flooring (which is a bit of a misnomer). Tile is at LEAST half as fast.
 
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Nobody worries about doing a sublayer like ditra or some isolation membrane? What about expansion caulk every few feet? Guess some people are just too paranoid when laying tile.

I am relying on Redgard for the cracks and Flexbond to further help on small movement.
Expansion caulk is a god idea. I will think about how and where I can introduce that.
Concrete is 10+ years old and very much settled.
400 sq ft of Ditra would be expensive.
 

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I just finished up 35sft of ceramic at my dads bathroom tonight, love the microfiber towels. Anyone need some Versabond light smoke grout? I had to buy a big bag and only used a 1/4 of it.
 
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Great thread with a fantastic list up top, Sapes. I hope to finally put down my tiles this spring, and am in research mode now. I will be stealing some tips from you.
 
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Great thread with a fantastic list up top, Sapes. I hope to finally put down my tiles this spring, and am in research mode now. I will be stealing some tips from you.

I started researching early but soon found out that I have to wait until temp warms up. :headscrat

I am going to do backyard patio first to get my hands "dirty". (Pun intended.)
 

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Dirty is right! We did ours a few years ago and it is a filthy backbreaking job. lol.

I'm not sure how much you'll be able to do until the ground thaws, unless you don't have to dig yours. For ours, they recommended 6", but we dug about 8-12" down. Then filled with HPB "high performance bedding" gravel and smoothed with a power tamper (I strongly recommend renting one for the day or half-day, it was much easier than hand tamping, and the results were 10x better). Then we were able to lay down our flagstone pattern.

All in all, including the original digging, removing that fill material via a rental bin, gravel filling, laying pattern, securing the edges, bringing in the 400lb+ steps, and filling the gaps with magic sand, it took us a few months of weekend work. And we had a small patio! It was hard, but worth it in the end, we love it.

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Dirty is right! We did ours a few years ago and it is a filthy backbreaking job. lol.

I'm not sure how much you'll be able to do until the ground thaws, unless you don't have to dig yours. For ours, they recommended 6", but we dug about 8-12" down. Then filled with HPB "high performance bedding" gravel and smoothed with a power tamper (I strongly recommend renting one for the day or half-day, it was much easier than hand tamping, and the results were 10x better). Then we were able to lay down our flagstone pattern.

All in all, including the original digging, removing that fill material via a rental bin, gravel filling, laying pattern, securing the edges, bringing in the 400lb+ steps, and filling the gaps with magic sand, it took us a few months of weekend work. And we had a small patio! It was hard, but worth it in the end, we love it.

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That patio looks great! :thumbup:
Fortunately I already have a concrete patio. I just need to tile it with porcelain tile. I am sure that is lot less work than your patio. ;)

I do want to extend my patio in future and that is when I will have to do all that you did. :dunno:
 

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Thanks, ours has survived 2 winters now and no heaved tiles or big gaps, which I credit to digging a little deeper than recommended. The HPB seems to have worked great to keep everything settled.
 

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Just as a data point, I installed PEI 4, non-rectified ceramic tile in my garage five years ago. I hit the then 82-year-old slab with a cheap pressure washer. I used the standard grout and thinset. I live near the La Brea tar pits, in the heart of earthquake country (although I am not subject to freeze-thaw cycles).

I have not had any problems with cracks, or anything else. So long as you apply the thinset to both surfaces to prevent voids, the tiles are (in many ways) stronger than the concrete they sit on.

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Is there an easy way of finding clearance tiles in your area from lowes or homedepot?
I don't know of an "easy" way but if you look on Lowes.com site and check stores then you might find some treasure. I can help you if you tell me your zipcode. Knowing how it works it just takes me few mins.
 
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Im in the same situation as you two, looking to tile my garage in the next couple weeks
 
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Im in the same situation as you two, looking to tile my garage in the next couple weeks

I couldn't find anything in the clearance section but here is a hidden treasure.
Get following tiles. They are PEI 4 Porcelain and rectified. I haven't seen such a great deal myself so act fast.

Emser 12-in x 12-in Timeless Beauty Glazed Porcelain Floor Tile
Item #: 357918 | Model #: F72TIMEBE1212
$0.13 / Sq. Ft.
Purchase Price:
$1.38
Covers 10.66 Sq. Ft.

Get 21 boxes from
2525 Crain Hwy
Waldorf, MD 20601, Store #0402
Get 11 boxes from
300 Rosewick Road
La Plata, MD 20646, Store #2354


Emser 12-in x 12-in Timeless Beauty Glazed Porcelain Floor Tile
Item #: 357918 | Model #: F72TIMEBE1212
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$0.04 / Sq. Ft.
Purchase Price:
$0.44
Covers 10.66 Sq. Ft.
Get 26 boxes from
8755 Branch Avenue
Clinton, MD 20735, Store #1136

Place all orders online and wait for pickup notification.

All this tile is little above 600 sq ft all under $60 total including tax. You can also use coupons if you have them :)
 
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I'm in the process of tileing my garage now. Been working on a 2' high surround, if you will for a couple weeks now. It is a slow process as I'm working by myself. I'm using 12" tile, but every one needs to be cut for some reason. Most evenings I cut and install about 15 tiles before I call it a night. I bought 180 sq ft for the walls and 500 sq ft for the floor, and it's a 2 car garage.

I plan to use 18" tiles for the floor. The only cutting will be around the peremeter. I may hire that out....knees and back are killing me.
 

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I couldn't find anything in the clearance section but here is a hidden treasure.
Get following tiles. They are PEI 4 Porcelain and rectified. I haven't seen such a great deal myself so act fast.

Emser 12-in x 12-in Timeless Beauty Glazed Porcelain Floor Tile
Item #: 357918 | Model #: F72TIMEBE1212
$0.13 / Sq. Ft.
Purchase Price:
$1.38
Covers 10.66 Sq. Ft.

Get 21 boxes from
2525 Crain Hwy
Waldorf, MD 20601, Store #0402
Get 11 boxes from
300 Rosewick Road
La Plata, MD 20646, Store #2354


Emser 12-in x 12-in Timeless Beauty Glazed Porcelain Floor Tile
Item #: 357918 | Model #: F72TIMEBE1212
Be the first to write a review!
$0.04 / Sq. Ft.
Purchase Price:
$0.44
Covers 10.66 Sq. Ft.
Get 26 boxes from
8755 Branch Avenue
Clinton, MD 20735, Store #1136

Place all orders online and wait for pickup notification.

All this tile is little above 600 sq ft all under $60 total including tax. You can also use coupons if you have them :)

turned out to be to good to be true. They updated it this morning and it was a typo. its really 1.38 a sq foot. Trust me I checked. Much thanks...

I even stopped in on the way to work lol
 
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turned out to be to good to be true. They updated it this morning and it was a typo. its really 1.38 a sq foot. Trust me I checked. Much thanks...

I even stopped in on the way to work lol

At least ones at 8755 Branch Avenue Clinton, MD 20735, Store #1136
should be at $0.44/sq ft. If you get those and then remaining at $1.38 that should still be a good deal. Did you like the tiles though?
 

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They were nice. But they are sold separately. Meaning there are only 26 tiles not boxes. On the web they say per box but it's really sold per. Still 44 cents is good but 26 tiles won't cost much. I'm keeping my eyes out though
 
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They were nice. But they are sold separately. Meaning there are only 26 tiles not boxes. On the web they say per box but it's really sold per. Still 44 cents is good but 26 tiles won't cost much. I'm keeping my eyes out though

Got it! They have just 26 tiles. :lol_hitti
 
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I measured my patio today and I knew that it is not a perfect rectangle but to my surprise it is a trapezoid. :shocking:
It is not even a perfect trapezoid. house side and it;s parallel sides are same (almost) but the other two have difference of 2 inches. :mad:

Any recommendations on tile pattern? :eyecrazy:

By the way, filled patio cracks with quikrete vinyl patch cement and cleaned garage with Dawn and then some Phosphoric acid. Some of the oil stains are still there.
Still in dual mind on whether to rent buffer from HD and scarify with diamond wheel.

Here is the plan of the patio.
 

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HD has 18" square porcelain tile, PEI 4 for .95/ sq ft. You can actually get it for .88 if you have somebody Oder it for you from a store out west. HD has a policy that no matter where it's purchased, it is delivered from the store nearest the destination. I have friends in Tuscon AZ buying at their local HD for their home in Fla. it's delivered at a later date in Fla but they are paying the AZ prices which are 10 to 20 % lower.
 
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I hear that hairline cracks are ok but a hair is too small.
Are cracks in the attached pictures ok?
 

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