40'x90'x12' Build in South Carolina, Shop #2

Modifieddriver · Apr 9, 2013

Doing a 3,600 sq. ft. shop/storage/studio here in South Carolina.

My wife gets 30'x40' and I get the rest, 60'x40'.

Grading started a couple of weeks ago. Had to stop because of rain last Thursday. Back at it yesterday and today digging holes and setting the posts.

Plans include an outside porch for my wife, bathroom, inside partition wall to separate our activities.

I call this shop #2. Shop #1 is already in the back yard. It's a 34'x64'x10', 2,176 sq. ft. Right now it's only used for vehicle/parts storage. I rent a 2,000 sq. ft. building I use as a shop and storage. Plan is to complete shop #2 and equip shop #1 for serious work. Then transfer stuff outa' the rental building to both shops #1 & #2. It's gonna' be a busy summer.

Here's some pics of what's going on. I'll update as we move along. My wife is more excited about this than I am. That's a good thing.

Modifieddriver · Apr 9, 2013

Here's a few more pics where they set the poles today.

There will eventually be a total of 36 poles. Each is set about 42+" in the ground

Bottom of each hole was tamped. Then an 80lb. bag of concrete mix is poured in each hole. Pole is set and dirt tamped again as it's being filled. Pic of pole in the hole isn't leveled or centered. So far, every pole is right dead in the center of the hole.

Modifieddriver · Apr 11, 2013

Moving right along on this build.

Posts up. They set the last truss this morning.

My wife calls this a BAG. Big *** Garage

Modifieddriver · Apr 18, 2013

Here's some updated pics from earlier in the week and today.

This crew of four is pretty good. They pre-drilled all the siding so all the screws are in a straight line. Drew strings on the roof for the same purpose. Also have templates and guides made up to for consistent uniformity.

Installed my exterior personnel door, and the twin 6' wide doors. One of those goes to the outside and the other separates my wife's work place from mine. The interior wall between is also up and insulated. The wall is covered with the same metal as used on the exterior walls. Everything is trimmed out with a J-trim.

When they left today all but 23' of roof was installed. Six Pella windows will be installed tomorrow. I anticipate they'll be done with their part of the build by Friday.

vic m · Apr 18, 2013

Wow! Been lurking here for a while and you, Four-fingered Frankie, get my first post!

The used parts/tire-testing business must be doing better in this economy than I thought.

Nice looking build; I bet you'll be happy to have everything in one place.

See you in September at the "village".

Your tenant, Vic

Modifieddriver · Apr 18, 2013

vic m said:
Wow! Been lurking here for a while and you, Four-fingered Frankie, get my first post!

The used parts/tire-testing business must be doing better in this economy than I thought.

Nice looking build; I bet you'll be happy to have everything in one place.

See you in September at the "village".

Your tenant, Vic

Vic,

Don't know about money from parts and testing, but my banker loves me. I should've retired earlier than I did. Now I actually have a few $dollars$.

Have to order the overhead doors today or tomorrow. Be using a semi-industrial slatted door that rolls into a drum (canister) with chain operated lift. No electric for me, just something else to break. Two 12' wide x 10' tall and one 8' x 8'.

Also, I only went up to Charlotte on Saturday. I didn't set-up to sell. I spent $6 up there. A $1 can of Dr. Pepper and the $5 mystery box from Tim (remember that from last Sep ?)

How was the Texas Round-Up?

Modifieddriver · Apr 21, 2013

Still making progress on the build.

Interior wall constructed that goes from floor to peak of roof. Used the same metal as the outside.

Debated doing this wall in white or this color. Decided to break up the room color with the darker metal. I really like the result.

First vehicle in the shop area is my roll back truck. Had several sheets of wall covering/siding material on the back that we wanted to keep dry.

That's already been installed in my wife's section to cover the truss. Insulation will be installed behind it with a service door to get into what will be an attic over the outside porch. Eventually her part will get completely lined with this siding. Not sure of the name, but it has a simulated wood texture, is primed and not too expensive when considering other products.

PELLA brand Thermostar windows are installed and the crew will probably finish the exterior metal and trim tomorrow.

OVERHEAD DOOR Salesman will be here tomorrow morning to make sure we get the correct size doors.

I really like those 6' double walk through doors on the front porch and between the two shop spaces. Can't remember the brand name, but it's all excellent quality stuff. Nice latching hardware and weather-stripping.

dreesemonkey · Apr 23, 2013

Looks like your wife got all the windows!

Modifieddriver · Apr 23, 2013

dreesemonkey said:
Looks like your wife got all the windows!

Yes, see got all the windows. I didn't want any. She'll also get ceiling fans, wall covering, hot and cold water and a bathroom.

This building, Shop #2, will primarily be a storage for me. Shop#1, I think it can be seen in a few pics, will be my primary work shop. It has windows mounted high and they're real long. The l-o-n-g work bench will be going under them. #1 has 2,176 sq. ft. and a partial attic.

Usually I'm always working with the door open and a few lights on. Us old timers need the power of electricity. Night/winter will be door closed and most lights on.

Building inspector came by today to give approval on framing. He liked the heavy trusses. Plumber coming tomorrow, had to get a permit for him today.

Also had everything treated for termites today.

Hope concrete work will start late this week.

ADSR · Apr 23, 2013

keep em coming!

Looks damn good!!!

TT350 · Apr 24, 2013

Looks good! Why did you choose wood over steel?

Modifieddriver · Apr 25, 2013

TT350 said:
Looks good! Why did you choose wood over steel?

Or do you mean why did I choose steel over wood for Shop #2 ???? Shop #1 was built 20+ years ago.

Here's Reasons for Post Steel Building:

#1: Covenant changed so we weren't obligated to build garage in same style as house. Shop #1 has the same siding, similar roof pitch, roof and eve/gable overhang as the house.

#2: Cost of stick construction, as we did with Shop #1 costs more than post steel.

#3: Maintenance costs of post steel building is less than an all wood building. No painting for 20 years. Shop #1 needs painting every 5-6 years.

#4: The post steel building provided more flexibility to the style building we wanted.

#5: The building crew was known for great quality workmanship with this type construction.

#6: The speed of construction was quicker and fewer subs to deal with.

These and a few more items are the reason we did post steel rather than all wood.

Modifieddriver · Apr 25, 2013

Here's an up dated picture as of Wednesday afternoon.

Building crew packed up and left late yesterday. They'll be back for a few items, but 99% of their work is done.

Finished the siding, installed a weather vane, hung gutters and down spouts, reinforced the trusses and cut an access door into the porch attic.

If I had to rate this building crew, I'd have to say they are excellent++ .

Fit, finish, and thinking ahead to the next step of construction impressed me. I would highly recommend these folks to anyone wanting a shop built.

Also had the plumbing stubbed in yesterday. The termite treatment was done Tuesday. O/H doors were ordered Monday.

Concrete work should start later this week, or next week.

I added a few pics from early in the week that show the layout of the house, Shop #1, Shop #2 and all my "stuff" in the yard that has to be organized.

It's gonna' be a long summer!!

Modifieddriver · May 2, 2013

Weather here isn't cooperating. Bad rains over the weekend have slowed things down.

We were supposed to pour concrete this week, but it's not gonna' happen. Ground is too wet for the heavy concrete trucks to have access to the building.

Overhead Garage Door Company called and wanted to schedule an installation date. Had to tell them I'm on hold until the floor is done.

Plan now is for concrete early next week. We'll have about 65 yards to do, to include 16' aprons, side walk, etc.. So, it'll be done in stages.

LutzTD · May 2, 2013

very nice, looks like your shop space to living space ratio is just about right

Modifieddriver · May 3, 2013

LutzTD said:
very nice, looks like your shop space to living space ratio is just about right

I agree, I think we're at a 2:1 ratio here.

If I put up a shed roof off shop #1 that's 16' x 50' to keep "stuff" in the dry, I'll be about where I need to be.

One of my old racing buddies lives in Lutz. Name is Will Cagle, you know him? He has a summer residence up here on a lake near Spartanburg. He'll be up in a week or two.

Modifieddriver · May 15, 2013

Things finally dried up around here to get concrete trucks in and out of our property without damaging the ground or even worse, getting stuck.

I rented a compacting machine to tamp the dirt, stone/gravel next to the bottom boards. Turns out that was probably wasted effort That dirt was already compacted pretty firm.

Then using a 2x4 I tamped the dirt around all the posts. I'm glad I did that. In some cases there was 2-3" of compaction. Time and effort well spent.

The building floor will be done in three stages. Then the outside aprons will de done in a couple of stages.

Day started out in the 50's and ended in the 70's. Perfect for concrete work.

We're using a 3,500# concrete mix. The 4 mil black plastic was used as a moisture barrier. My concrete folks used a BobCat to move the mix into the back portions of the building.

Here's pics of Day#1 Concrete floor pour. This is a 30' x 40' area, or half of this shop area. It took right at 16 cu. yds. @ $88/yd.. As you can see, there's a taper from where the O/H door will seal to the outside and eventual 24' apron. Hopefully this will prevent water standing in front of and/or running under the bottom door seal.

Modifieddriver · May 15, 2013

Here's Day#2 for concrete work. Finished the inside of my 40' x 60' shop area.

Today started in the 60's and finished in the mid-80's. Not a cloud in the sky.

They pulled a few chalk lines on the already poured section and then cut the expansion joints. They came out perfectly straight.

This section went somewhat faster than Day #1. Finished up about 30 minutes earlier. Higher temperatures shortened the cure time a little.

Taking a day off for another job on Thursday. Friday the crew will be back to pour my wife's 20' x 40' work area, along with a 10' x 40' covered out side patio/work area.

Modifieddriver · Jun 3, 2013

Last Thursday was plumbing day.

A crew of four came in and equipment included a Bobcat with bucket & trencher and a John Deere Excavator.

These guys hustled for a full day.

Laid water line from house to garage #1 and new garage #2. This included 4 hydrant style outdoor spigots. As seen in pic, these are placed in a PVC short pipe with water entering at the bottom. Then the pipe is filled with gravel to create a drain sump. This drains the spigot so it won't freeze in the winter.

Had to hook up sewer line to back side of shop #1 for toilet, sink and floor drain. Then hook up to shop#2 for toilet and 2 sinks.

I think it's over 400 feet from the house to the back side of shop #1. A bunch of 3/4" PVC pipe was used.

There's a pic of the leach field material used. This doesn't require gravel back filling.

Modifieddriver · Jun 3, 2013

After all that is was time to dig for the septic tank and leach field.

I made my own tank. It's a 275 gallon chemical tank. Plastic tank, a steel tube frame and rests on it's own steel pallet, I put 16 gauge sheet steel on the sides with self tapping sheet metal screws and fabricated a diamond plate steel top with a clean out access trap door. The top underside is reinforced with a steel channel perimeter frame and a couple of channel cross members. Painted everything with two brushed on coats of Rustoleum, front and back sides.

Installed 4" in and out flanges for the sewer pipe. Probably reduced the volume of the tank to 200 gallons. Plenty big enough for it's intended purpose.

I must have a high water table. At 6 feet down we struck water. Dumped about a foot of gravel in the hole and and set the tank. Filled it with water so it wouldn't collapse, hooked up the lines and back filled with more gravel.

We ran 50' of this new style leach field line. The size of the septic tank and leach field are sized for limited use. Between two shops, two people and some occasional visitors, we figure this is more than adequate. Because of the grade level difference and distance, a hook up to the house septic wasn't feasible.

Then they finished up with more back filling and re-grading.

Busy day. Crew worked about nine hours. Now we have to get prepared for the inside hook ups for toilets and sinks. Then water gets turned on.

Fortunately it rained a bunch yesterday. This helped settle the back filled soil over the freshly buried lines.

Next step is spreading that crush and run gravel to prepare grade for 24' concrete aprons. We'll be doing that off shop #1 and #2.

More fun. Just have to wait for things to dry up again to get concrete truck back there.

vic m · Jun 3, 2013

Modifieddriver said:
Between two shops, two people and some occasional visitors, we figure this is more than adequate.

Better not invite me down, then. You know I'm full of it...

vic

In The Doghouse · Jun 3, 2013

Looks great! Where in SC are you?

Modifieddriver · Jun 3, 2013

In The Doghouse said:
Looks great! Where in SC are you?

About 40 miles up hwy 25 from you toward G'ville.

Modifieddriver · Jun 3, 2013

vic m said:
Modifieddriver said:

Between two shops, two people and some occasional visitors, we figure this is more than adequate.

Better not invite me down, then. You know I'm full of it...

vic

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I'll have a rental on site when you arrive, just like the Auto Fair!!!

Modifieddriver · Jul 4, 2013

Here we go with project updates:

The wet weather has slowed things down. We picked the wrong year to do this project

. It's put us weeks/month(s) behind schedule. But we're still making good progress.

I had more crush&run gravel brought in to level the grade for the concrete apron outside the overhead door openings. Then we finally had a break in the weather to pour on a Friday.

In parallel to that I used my roll back to pick up building supplies to finish the interior walls for Sally's 20 x 40 part of the building. And then another trip to pick up roofing/siding and trim metal for my 40 x 60 side and a 20 x 60 shed roof off shop #1, the dark brown building.

I had the prior crew that put up the building come back. This crew is GOOD. No FDAing (flop dicking around). They put in four full days of work and will be back to do the previously mentioned shed and interior finishing of shop #1.

Sally wanted a textured wood paneling. This is an exterior composite siding that worked perfect for this application and was economical. I had a colored custom metal base mold made to get the panels off the concrete floor. As you can see, the panels had to be spaced out from the horizontal wall girts. This room was quite labor intensive. And the way the panels step overlap, there was significant waste. There's even an access door to the area over the porch.

Here's pics of the apron pour and interior finishing on Sally's side:

Modifieddriver · Jul 4, 2013

Here's some more pics of Sally and her part of the building. She's priming and painting 1" x 4" and 1 1/2" x 1 1/2" trim boards. These are for where the paneling meets the trusses and around the two double personnel doors. Also have a pic of the attic access door. The handle was something I had in my stash. You can see the 1" x 4" trim in this pic.

I also had some custom made colored metal molding made for around the windows. This are double pane Pella windows and deserved a nice trim. trimmed these out. 1 1/2" x 3" L-shape with a turned edge hem to the inside of the outside flange. Like the base mold, a worth while investment, especially at the price I paid.

Pat Brady · Jul 4, 2013

You really have a nice place there. You should be able to do anything in that place. Congrats on the build!!

Modifieddriver · Jul 7, 2013

Here's some more project update pictures.

As Sally's side of the building was nearing completion the crew started on installing polar white metal liner panels in my side.

This included pre-cut to proper length vertical metal J-mold up each 6 x 6 post and across the top of the gable. I had all the metal wall panels pre-cut to 12', and many incrementally cut for the end wall, which were then cut at the roof pitch angle.

The fit and finish is outstanding. Again, this crew did a GREAT job.

Next was an insulated bathroom enclosure and over head doors.

But first, here's the liner pics:

thinktwicez71 · Jul 7, 2013

beautiful !!! I would love to have something like that

In The Doghouse · Jul 7, 2013

Modifieddriver said:
About 40 miles up hwy 25 from you toward G'ville.

Lookin' good. You must be in the Ware Shoals area.

Modifieddriver · Jul 8, 2013

In The Doghouse said:
Lookin' good. You must be in the Ware Shoals area.

Nope, closer to Greenville, like within a couple of miles from Moonville.

Modifieddriver · Jul 8, 2013

To continue with progress pics:

Here's where we framed up for the small bathroom enclosure.

Bought a $66 pre-framed door at Home Depot, another $10 for the hardware. Also bought a roll of 24" insulation for the 8' walls and ceiling. The partition wall and outside wall were already insulated. So it only made sense to do this so the room could be heated with a small space heater in the winter.

I had enough metal siding and liner panels for the outside and inside walls. We'll be doing the ceiling the same way but have to install a ceiling light fixture first. The small mezzanine is OSB. Notice the metal trim around the top. Finished off real nice.

We already bought a new toilet. Found a perfect sized used vanity/sink for $5. included the fixture. Sally's painting that right now. It will be installed in the near future along with a 110v 2 1/2 gallon mini-tank hot water heater.

We bought a few 1930's era items out of an old downtown house undergoing renovation. Included was an old time pivoting mirror medicine cabinet. Sally's doing a restoration on this.

Next up are over head doors.

Modifieddriver · Jul 9, 2013

Another update, this time for the over head door installation.

Yes, We're finally in the dry.

OVERHEAD DOOR COMPANY had a crew of four come out to install the three roll-up doors.

Two are 12'w x 10'h and the one for Sally is 8' x 8'.

These are the individual slat type door that roll up like a window shade.

I already had this style on shop #1, liked them and decided to use the same.

These aren't insulated, but here we don't have harsh winters. I'm more concerned with keeping heat out rather than keeping heat in. The white exterior should help do that. Most of the time we'll be working with the doors open for ventilation anyway.

I went with the door covers that clean-up the look on the inside.

The installers still have to return to install the weather striping and make a few adjustments.

No tracks on the ceiling, no shop light blockage when they are up, and if damaged you just replace the needed repair slats. Also have a chain operated gear drive raising mechanism. Effort is minimal, so no power assit lift is needed.

Here's the pics:

Omphaloskeptic · Jul 9, 2013

Congratulations on getting the building buttoned up! The building exterior looks very nice also.

I imagine another 'bonus' about the R/U doors is that they should stay in the position you stop them at if they are installed properly? I've wondered how they are able to get a good seal at the top of the frame. In my area of the country, the nasty swirling wind gusts would probably set the individual slats rattling and banging away in the 'Jeezuz-Breezuz'! lol

Modifieddriver · Jul 10, 2013

Omphaloskeptic said:
Congratulations on getting the building buttoned up! The building exterior looks very nice also.

I imagine another 'bonus' about the R/U doors is that they should stay in the position you stop them at if they are installed properly? I've wondered how they are able to get a good seal at the top of the frame. In my area of the country, the nasty swirling wind gusts would probably set the individual slats rattling and banging away in the 'Jeezuz-Breezuz'! lol

Thanks for the positive comments.

Yes, the doors stop where you want them. There's a tension rod/spring on the roll to adjust the force needed to open and close. I often just open the doors just far enough to get ventilation or to just clear my head walking in and out. The door partially down gives some sun shade.

At the top, they will install a "whisker" strip. An aluminum extrusion with what looks like a narrow brush with bristles about 3-4" long crimped in it. Kinda' like a super long car window snow brush.

As the door goes down the roll gets smaller and the door moves away from the header. The brush seal will straighten out and still maintain contact with the door. Now this isn't a weather tight seal, but it'll keep dust, birds, etc. from coming in. On the sides, a normal O/H door flat rubber seal is used.

I really haven't noticed much rattling on my other shop doors that I've had for 20+ years. One is 16'w x 9'h, the other is 12'h x 8'h. But then again, my hearing is about all gone, so I'm not a good judge, even with my hearing aids in

.

TRWTOW · Jul 10, 2013

looks great

banana cognac · Jul 10, 2013

Modifieddriver said:
I agree, I think we're at a 2:1 ratio here.

If I put up a shed roof off shop #1 that's 16' x 50' to keep "stuff" in the dry, I'll be about where I need to be.

One of my old racing buddies lives in Lutz. Name is Will Cagle, you know him? He has a summer residence up here on a lake near Spartanburg. He'll be up in a week or two.

Holy ****, you're friends with Will Cagle? That guy is a racing legend up my way. I'm a regular at Orange County in NY, and although he was way before my time, the name is still spoken about often. I've wrenched on a big block for the last couple season and help on a sportsman car now. I'm in the process of cleaning out the garage to make into my race shop.

Where did you race in NY? I'm going to have to search around a bit, but if you haven't posted some of the vintage stuff from your collection I would love to see it.

I'm definitely subscribed for this build :thumbup:

panthersteve · Jul 10, 2013

Great looking shed, I wish I had the space and dollars for something like that :thumbup:

One question though, looking at the pics of the concrete going in I couldn't see any reinforcing steel going in the slab, was there any ?

Steve

Modifieddriver · Jul 10, 2013

Thanks for the :thumbup:

.

I decided to do this now, before I get any older. Plan for the future and you'll get there.

We didn't put any wire or steel in any of the cement for a few reasons.

The grade required very little fill. I had washed gravel brought in as a base over hard compacted South Carolina red dirt. Then compacted the base even more.

We used 3,500 psi cement. Cut expansion joints. And remember, with the post construction, the concrete doesn't have to support any building load. Only has to support what I put on top of it.

We really think the wire was a waste. Time will tell. If it lasts 20 years, then the next guy can worry about it

.

panthersteve said:
Great looking shed, I wish I had the space and dollars for something like that

One question though, looking at the pics of the concrete going in I couldn't see any reinforcing steel going in the slab, was there any ?

Steve

Modifieddriver · Jul 11, 2013

banana cognac said:
Holy ****, you're friends with Will Cagle? That guy is a racing legend up my way. I'm a regular at Orange County in NY, and although he was way before my time, the name is still spoken about often. I've wrenched on a big block for the last couple season and help on a sportsman car now. I'm in the process of cleaning out the garage to make into my race shop.

Where did you race in NY? I'm going to have to search around a bit, but if you haven't posted some of the vintage stuff from your collection I would love to see it.

I'm definitely subscribed for this build

I'm originally from within 4 miles of Kenny Tremont. Ken Sr. was my racing mentor when I first got started in the late 60's. I initially primarily ran at Lebanon Valley, but then went to other tracks to run like Fonda, Rolling Wheels, Weedsport, etc. In '75 I focused on running in Canada and made good money doing it. For some reason, I've never made it to Middletown.

Can't say I raced against Cagle, but I was on the track with him at the same time he was, if you know what I mean

. He promoted Orange County after he got hurt at Weedsport.

He's still sharp and has an incredible memory. He and his wife, Barb, are senior citizen versions of Ken and Barbie. Their appearance is always perfect. I'm always quizzing him about the old days.

You know the Hager Bros. orange and white #65 and/or #56 ?

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