Wolverine Epoxy Durability?

How long has anybody been using a Wolverine Coating on their garage floor? If I understand correctly, the WCC DIY kit had not been sold for very long. So it would be impossible to see its 5 year durability at this point. Has the components of this kit been in an industrial application? If so, how long does the epoxy last in that environment? How does it hold up I the tire contact path? I have been told all epoxies will wear though there. How well does it hold up to jack stands, floor jacks and engine lifts?

The PSI strength of any Epoxy can be increased if you add silica sand to the equation (troweled and re coated or broadcast and re coat).

Now, would it be best to have something more durable underneath a troweled mix or on top as a final coat? Maybe I would be concerned about the floor absorbing punishing blows with heavy tools and would like a barrier underneath to limit the shock stress?

I had forgotten about the whole dropped tool problem. I was talking to a guy that works on an Air Force base. He said that one of his co-workers was working in a airplane hanger with an epoxy floor. He dropped a wrench or ratchet from the wing of a A10 Warthog and the impact chipped the epoxy. This guy says they do it all the time and once the epoxy is chipped, it started lifting.

Has anyone using a WCC had a problem with dropping tools and chipping the epoxy? What would be the best way to patch a small damaged spot? Sand to roughen the surface and re-coat?

FWIW I've had my Wolverine floor down for 8 months. I have used jack stands, but with a towel underneath, and I've used a rolling floor jack with nothing under the wheels, and I've left wieght on it overnight too with no damage. The only damage I have was a few weeks ago when the new puppy left a load on the floor and I scraped it up with a shovel. Well I scraped pretty hard and damaged the floor.

At this point I would rate the floor good for general durability but poor for angry poop scooping.

Oh yes, I have dropped a number of tools from work height and no problem.

That what I wanted to hear.

Anyone have a WCC floor down longer then 8 months?

DRRummel said:

How long has anybody been using a Wolverine Coating on their garage floor? If I understand correctly, the WCC DIY kit had not been sold for very long. So it would be impossible to see its 5 year durability at this point. Has the components of this kit been in an industrial application? If so, how long does the epoxy last in that environment? How does it hold up I the tire contact path? I have been told all epoxies will wear though there. How well does it hold up to jack stands, floor jacks and engine lifts?

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I too have asked this. mostly about the jack stands.

My garage door tracks needed to be adjusted because the door was sticking. It turned out the tracks were a little to close together. The garage door fellow came back to take care of this, however had a problem. He could not move the track that he need to more because it was essentially bonded in place by the epoxy floor.

To more the track after he had loosed the bolts he had to bang on it with a hammer. He was finally able to move it but in the process knocked up a small chuck of epoxy floor. This was a place which was not grinded or shotblasted because it was impossible to get a tool in there.

So I'd have to say that the epoxy adhered rather well to an area that was not even prepared as recommended.

Hi guys,

I've been too busy to come around much for the last few weeks. It was all I could do to address the drama from the other thread.

The products that Fred is selling to you guys were either developed in 2001 or are a subsequent generation. ALL commercial and industrial applications that have EVER been applied are still in service... Our products are installed in some of the largest and most demanding companies in the World. These include Nuclear facilities, USDA inspected meat packing facilities, Automotive Manufacturing Plants, Department of Defence facilities, Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Pharmaceutical Plants, steel/aluminum facilities, Wineries... you name it. Our products go through rigorous testing both by us and by our customers on a regular basis. Just last month, BMW finished testing three more of our products (yes, they have thier very own state of the art paint testing lab) and approved all 3 for use to protect their e-coat dip tank in thier process. So, if you buy an American made BMW it will have been primed in a tank protected by Wolverine. In fact, all of the products you guys are purchasing from Fred have been tested and have been installed even within the last week at BMW (and have been for years). While we don't make any product that goes directly into the car, we certainly are affecting the process. Now, I'm not talking about a dealership... we're talking about their multi-million square foot North American Manufacturing facility. If you think you give your garage abuse... imagine what happens there.

The list of companies that use our products are endless. If you've bought one of the most popular fishing poles in the US in the last 6 years then you have some Wolverine in there. Or, maybe you wear contact lenses and use cleaning solution that was made while someone was standing on one of our floors. Or, maybe you were in the 80% probability group of people who received a life saving IV that was made on a Wolverine protected floor. Or maybe you own a high-end HVAC unit that contains Wolverine Anti-Corrosive products that protects the aluminum fins from corrosion. Or maybe you get your power from a reactor whose fuel was made on a Wolverine Floor... or... maybe just has the fuel system protected by a Wolverine lining? There is a chance that your Thanksgiving Turkey or Ham was processed in a plant that uses Wolverine. Did your gasoline come out of a tank that was protected by a Wolverine lining? What about the pipeline that the crude oil came from? Is your street light attached to a fiberglass pole that in anchored to it's base by a Wolverine adhesive? Are you the adventurer who has been in a helicopter that landed on one of our safety reflective coatings? Is your metal building one that is built in a facility protected by Wolverine? Does your town have a drinking water tank that is lined with Wolverine?

We're out there and may already be apart of your lives whether you know it or not. Your garage is important to you and it's never going to see the kinds of abuse that our products take in industrial atmospheres. But, won't it be nice to know that it could?

All that sounds nice, but all I want is to be one of those lucky people that has a durable DIY garage floor coating that will hold up to a car/truck sitting on stands for a few months without denting, dimpling, or scratching.

Ive seen the sales pitches about all the great places "a" product was used, but not necessarily the one your selling to the DIY'er.
I said it to fred, Just because a 318 is made by BMW, doesnt make it an M5.
Keep in mind, I'm still considering using your product.

I understand your concern... that is why I wrote this in the last post:

In fact, all of the products you guys are purchasing from Fred have been tested and have been installed even within the last week at BMW (and have been for years).

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Also... I think Fred can direct you to people who are members here who are very happy. In fact, even tonight I have seen a thread where a customer specifically mentioned using jackstands and was happy.

Good luck with your project!

Whoops... it's such a shame that we have become so untrusting of each other. But, what can we do? I mean, the ads on TV lead you to believe something is great... and then... you find out it's not! I just figured out what you meant so I thought I'd add a little addendum... NO WIGGLE ROOM.

BondTite 1101 Primer and LiquaTile 1184 (the main products that Fred is selling here) are part of what I mentioned above... approved and used at BMW...

Thanks for the clarification

the ads on TV lead you to believe something is great... and then... you find out it's not!

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Yeah, I'm convinced they use really little kids t o make all the outdoor toys weve bought look huge in the ad. Then it comes in a wopping 18" Stone Henge.

Wolverine Epoxy - Life is good!

I have been very happy...
Garage Floor

Close Up of the coating.

Whoops, over spray. Surprisingly it wiped up with a dry cloth.

I really don't think there is any question of durability. I used this product where I wasn't sure if it would work but a year on its there and looking great. And I've dropped so many things on it and dragged my engine hoist over it and it still keeps on keeping on.

It's in everyone's best interest to question product claims. Even if everyone is honest, products may not always work as we expect. Testing can help but nothing works like the test of time.

The point here is that the product does not yet pass the test of time. Evidence seems positive at this point. That evidence is necessary but not sufficient. It hasn't passed the test of time yet because there hasn't been enough time.

Did I mention it hasn't passed the test of time?

There is nothing wrong with buying the product based on current evidence. But if you do then you can't complain IF it doesn't pass the test of time.

BTW, somehow I got the impression the warranty is 15 years, not 5 as in the original post. Which is correct?

we'll see how it does over time (I'm curious to) but I dragged my 10k lb capacity lift and set it up in my shop about 4 days after I poured the last coat of endurashield on my floor. we backed the lift posts off the back of a pick up close to where they would stand up, but still had to drag/wiggle them aways into place. Nothing happened to the floor, in fact, all it did was take the red paint off the lift base plates. I removed the red paint marks on the floor with some HD cleaner and a rag, zero damage to the floor.

(BTW in relevance to this, there were several posts/threads about what to do first, install a lift, then do the floor, or do the floor, then install the lift. I almost did the former, but ended up doing the latter and am glad I did. Putting the lift in after looks much cleaner, and did no damage to the floor).


so far so good

I did some "test" spots out on the driveway just to see how the stuff sticks to stuff that's not really prep'd/cleaned...and I can't hardly get it off with a 4200 psi pressure washer with the tip 1/4" away from the material, and the liquatile seems to stick (or at least be harder to remove) than the bondtite, which surprised me.

drivenhard,

Is that poured concrete walls you have, or precast modules? Either way, I don't think I've seen that before. How did you pick that approach? What's the darker gray section?

They are poured walls, 10' high by 10" thick. The shop sits next to the house and has the same slope on the lot to deal with, so we just poured it like it was a "basement" on those 2 sides. The dark section above it is just stick framing/drywall (had to extend the poured walls to get 12' ceiling) which I painted. I'm working on painting the poured walls currently.

It (poured walls) helps keep it temp stable in there, warm in the winter and cool in the summer. And I can crowd in the corner if I'm out there working and an tornado comes along

Here's the thread of the build so you can see the elevation pics, etc.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14932