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Home Built Solar hot air panel for my basement garage

Autorotica

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Wanted to share some build/project pix of the homemade hot air solar collector on the back of our Pennsylvania house. The collector will go from window to window on the unconditioned basement. Any heat going into that space will be a bonus.



Did I happen to mention that the basement is a 28 x 48' unconditioned shop/garage? Pardon the disaster zone in this pic with a few toys and entirely too many projects going on simultaneously for this size space. More on this to follow in another thread.



Anchoring pressure treated 2 x 4's onto wall. The silver material is a foil faced bubble wrap insulation.



Pressure treated 2 x 4's anchored to wall retaining the foil insulation on top and bottom



Stapled ground cover/shade cloth on top of board and to other board. This material has almost no mass to it so it will heat up quickly when the sun shines on it.



Screwed pressure treated 2 x 6's to the edge of the 2 x 4s to create a 4" air space. Anchored additional 2 x 6's in the window openings. Will stretch shade cloth over the 2 x 6's set in an inch and a half so there is not visibility thru the windows into the garage.



"Twinwall" polycarbonate (lexan) was the choice for glazing. Commonly available at greenhouse supply stores. The aluminum h track for the edges and aluminum double H material for joining piece/piece is available at the same place.



Final dimensions are 48" tall x roughly 27' long. Nearly done in this pic! Need one more piece of H track for the very end and to start caulking.



Hung another piece of twinwall inside the window and cut a hole in it to hold the solar panel powered (gable vent) 12v fan. The small 12 watt PV panel can be seen propped up against the tire in the picture above.



The sun is shining and the fan is whizzing. Air is drawn from the open to the collector west window, drawn by thru the heater and blown back into the basement by the fan. I have seen temps over 120 degrees on the edge of the fan. Fan is rated at 1,000 cfm



Approximate cost of materials was $750 broken down as such. $250 for the PV panel and fan, $250 for the twinwall, H track and fasteners, $250 for the the pressure treated lumber, screws, caulk, insulation and shade cloth.


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How much was the thermomometer/camera?

I want one of those bad!

Some of the lower end Fluke Imagers can be purchased for around $2K. Definitely not cheap but I can assure what i have learned and gotten to implement, it has paid for itself.

Chris
 

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I barrowed one from the loacal FD to find my floor tubes before I drilled my concrete for the lift. They are awesome!
 

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This is a neat idea. Is there a way for the system fan to stop circulating if the temperature of the air is colder than the room you are heating? I realize the fan is solar powered so no sun, no fan but it can get -40 up here in the winter so wonder if a similar system may be worse up here. It will be interesting to see to how cold of outdoor temperature the sun will still help. You got my attention...
 
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This is a neat idea. Is there a way for the system fan to stop circulating if the temperature of the air is colder than the room you are heating? I realize the fan is solar powered so no sun, no fan but it can get -40 up here in the winter so wonder if a similar system may be worse up here. It will be interesting to see to how cold of outdoor temperature the sun will still help. You got my attention...

Sure. Put in a temp switch with a minimum set point or a differential temp controller...

Chris
 

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Very neat project!! I'll be interested in knowing how well it works.

Do you have some flashing on the top? I'd be concerned that you might have water leak in during a heavy rain.
 

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The sun is shining and the fan is whizzing. Air is drawn from the open to the collector west window, drawn by thru the heater and blown back into the basement by the fan. I have seen temps over 120 degrees on the edge of the fan.

What was the outside air temp when you saw 120F ?

What kind of temps do you get when it is below 50F ? Below 30F ?
 
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Very neat project!! I'll be interested in knowing how well it works.

Do you have some flashing on the top? I'd be concerned that you might have water leak in during a heavy rain.

No flashing... If the boards warped and pull away, then the collector draws in outside air. No water runs in.

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What was the outside air temp when you saw 120F ?

What kind of temps do you get when it is below 50F ? Below 30F ?

When it has been 20* outside with snow on the ground, Ive seen 140 degree output temp with the additional reflective adder from the snow...

Chris
 

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Very cool , what temps. Are you getting inside this space ? Is it heating the entire basement,does it need a fan on both ends.is the wall facing directly south.I have been thinking of something like this,my barn has a end facing south/east. I would only have room for 4'x16' ,cost maybe half of what you spent.
 
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Very cool , what temps. Are you getting inside this space ? Is it heating the entire basement,does it need a fan on both ends.is the wall facing directly south.I have been thinking of something like this,my barn has a end facing south/east. I would only have room for 4'x16' ,cost maybe half of what you spent.

Most times the basement is staying over 50 degrees. I have seen it in the 60s, but never 70s. If you are asking about the space meaning inside the panel. I don't know, I never measured it.

The collector goes from window to window and its very close to solar south. Only a single fan on one end drawing the air thru the collector from the other window. Just like hot water baseboard heat. If I had leaks in the collector I didn't want to push heated basement air out, I would want it to draw ambient air in and warm that inside the panel. That was my thinking of why pull instead of push. Do both? Hmmmmmmmm???

If you face pretty east, the majority of your gain will be done early afternoon. Something is better than nothing! No one says you couldn't put a back on this "panel", mount it on the ground and pipe your air into the barn from the ground mounted collector. Tilt it to the angle that matches your latitude for even more efficiency.

These pictures are about 3 years old. This summer we built a deck onto the back of the house and it blocks the entire collector. I am going to build a much larger collector on the deck posts when I get around to it. I have a shed that we have been working on that's taking my time currently.

If someone was interested, Id sell this one for $400 assuming the buyer will help with disassembly and removal. That way they would know how it came apart, could label the components and put it back together. Of course it could be shortened or lengthened or reduced in height as needed... I am located in Eastern Pa.

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Thanks,and yes I meant inside the basement for the temp.you where getting.
If you basement is getting to 50-60s it still good ,because it looks like you have a big basement.My barn is 18x36 so it should work.
I have not done anything about heat yet because I couldn't make up my mind.Wife reminded my about our electric bill from last winter( I was using one or two 1500 watt electric heaters last yr.) when I was working on insulation and finishing walls.I did work though some very cold temps.running heaters for a hr.or two before I went out.I almost put a ten ft.electric Baseboard heater in a few wks ago.Just so I could leave it on low so my tools and car would not condensate ,I just need to keep it above the dew point to prevent that and to work out there. Maybe solar and a baseboard to back up cloudy days/ nights.
Thanks and keep us posted about any changes you mentioned.
 

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simply amazing ! FREE HEAT :evil: and the build looks like it belongs there!

I have a 30x10 detached that I am currently readying for winter.(insulating the **** out of) I picked up a 5k modine electric ceiling mount heater for 89 bucks on black friday....but am slightly worried about the increased electric $.

I am very interested in this design!

So you are basicly building a mini "greenhouse" that blows the air into your garage?

Shiny bubble wrap, shade cloth in the middle, and twin wall lexan on the outside. IS that it??? so easy ! Why doesn't EVERYONE do this???

I am going to make a parts list for my garage as soon as I get home !:rocker:
 

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Wife reminded my about our electric bill from last winter( I was using one or two 1500 watt electric heaters last yr.) when I was working on insulating. I almost put a ten ft.electric Baseboard heater in a few wks ago.

Friend of mine was telling me that my little electric 1500 W heater probably uses $3 of electricity per day. He said I would be better off using a 240 V electric heater because its more efficient. I picked up a 5000 W 240 V ceiling mount heater on black Friday for $99.
 

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Friend of mine was telling me that my little electric 1500 W heater probably uses $3 of electricity per day. He said I would be better off using a 240 V electric heater because its more efficient. I picked up a 5000 W 240 V ceiling mount heater on black Friday for $99.

Your friend is wrong unfortunately.
 
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Power is power..

If you run 1500 watts of a 120 volt source or 1500 watts of a 240 source your burning the same amount of power.. For some things efficiency matters.. In the case of a heater, the efficiency between models is nearly identical.
 
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simply amazing ! FREE HEAT :evil: and the build looks like it belongs there!

I have a 30x10 detached that I am currently readying for winter.(insulating the **** out of) I picked up a 5k modine electric ceiling mount heater for 89 bucks on black friday....but am slightly worried about the increased electric $.

I am very interested in this design!

So you are basicly building a mini "greenhouse" that blows the air into your garage?

Shiny bubble wrap, shade cloth in the middle, and twin wall lexan on the outside. IS that it??? so easy ! Why doesn't EVERYONE do this???

I am going to make a parts list for my garage as soon as I get home !:rocker:

Hi Lewis,

Best of luck to you with your project. Make sure you are facing mostly south or you might need to cover the panel in the non heating seasons. This panel makes no heat in the summertime because the sun is so high in the sky.

One idea to improve the panel would be to put plastic "traps" or 1 way doors to keep the shop air from going into the panel when the sun isn't shining and fan isn't running.

My only complaint about it is if the voltage coming from the PV panel is insufficient to turn the fan, the fan will whistle slightly.

Feel free to fire away with any questions.
Chris

P.s. For you gents discussing electric heating costs, here is some math you can do to determine your hourly running cost.

Divide your total electric bill by the number of KWH that you used that month. That will provide you with your actual cost per KWH. Divide the wattage of your heater by 1000 and then multiple by your actual cost per KWH.

A 1500 watt heater uses 1.5KWH per hour. My actual cost per KWH is about $0.13. That heater would cost $0.20 per hour FOR ME to run.
 

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Autorotica thanks for posting pics of your project. I think its great what you did. Its given me some ideas of my own.
 

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Thanks for the Link, kinda spendy for a guy who Just wants a cool toy. I wish they Would drop in price like Any electronics.

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Thanks for the Link, kinda spendy for a guy who Just wants a cool toy. I wish they Would drop in price like Any electronics.

KO

Understood KO... I can tell you that everything I have learned and corrected and upgraded since I bought mine has more than paid for imager in home efficiency improvements.

5+ years ago, We would use 800 gallons of home heating oil. Last year it was 180...

Chris
 

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Been a member for a while, probably can't post a link but I'll try....

Here's a guy getting a little more in-depth on the idea of passive solar heating. Makes me wish my house didn't face south....

http://www.iedu.com/Solar/Panels/

Jarrod
 

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Okay. What is the real deal then ? I am unaware

That is correct. A standard resistance heater has the same efficiency no matter what the voltage. Heat is produced by power, (Volts x amps)
A smaller heater will take half the voltage but twice the amperage, but the end result is the same. The only savings comes in the installation as smaller wire is required.
 
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Here's a guy getting a little more in-depth on the idea of passive solar heating. Makes me wish my house didn't face south....

http://www.iedu.com/Solar/Panels/

Jarrod

I just recently read that article. Seems like super overkill on his expectation of tolerances to me.

The air trap is a neat idea. Seems to me the PV powered fan just makes things so much simpler.

Chris
 

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watts equals volts x amps. A same size heater would use half the amps on 240V then on 120V but consume the same wattage of electricity. You power meter wouldn't know the difference.
 

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I have considered making one of those pop can heaters from time to time. This year is getting me more in the mood to do so.

Question for anyone that has done it. How do you shutoff or redirect the heat in the summer?
 
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I have considered making one of those pop can heaters from time to time. This year is getting me more in the mood to do so.

Question for anyone that has done it. How do you shutoff or redirect the heat in the summer?

Fueller...

With my panel facing very close to solar south there is no heat produced by it in the summer. When the sun rises in the east the rays hit the panel at such a sideways angle, it doesn't go to the absorber in the back. Same with the height in the summer at noon, its above the top of the panel. As the sun goes down, the house shades the panel completely.

Other options...
Build an awning above the panel to better tailor desired output.
Cover the panel with shade cloth.
Redirect the output of the panel to exterior.

Chris
 

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BINGO on the efficiency of electric heaters. Think about it: All of the electricity that goes in becomes heat. What else would it become?
 

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Understood KO... I can tell you that everything I have learned and corrected and upgraded since I bought mine has more than paid for imager in home efficiency improvements.

5+ years ago, We would use 800 gallons of home heating oil. Last year it was 180...

Chris

WOW! I'm interested in hearing more of your ideas. That's great.
 
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WOW! I'm interested in hearing more of your ideas. That's great.

My home has hot water baseboard heat. I re-piped the heater loops so the hottest water went to the north side of the home (M bath, M bedroom, Foyer and Living Room instead of to the laundry, powder room, office and kitchen like was originally plumbed.

I think the biggest bang for the buck was taping up all the air leaks in the AC ductwork that is run in the attic AND using duct covers http://www.acdraftshields.com in the winter time. The diffusers are on the ceiling and hot air rises.

Changed out a solid wood front door for an insulated fiberglass door.

Identified sizeable leaks at the rim joists and foam sealed them closed.

Identified the biggest offending windows that were leaking air in and starting changing them out.

Always more to learn...
Chris
 

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I've looked into these kinds of things for quite a while - and the amount I would spent on the materials is always enough to heat my home for months, so the savings, amortized over time is hardly worth it. The OP's project isn't that expensive, which is the way to go, but add the cost of that fancy thermometer and I'd bet you're behind for a while! ;) We'll NEVER recover the cost of changing to an HE heater, installing triple panel windows and the extra 12 inches of blown in insulation, but you do it anyways. If it weren't for the energy rebates, it would have been a money loser for sure.
 
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