Forums telling n00bs to go overboard on professional quality tools...

GoodEnough · Dec 8, 2013

First, watch this video...

What are some good lines you could have for a TOOL version of this video?

I'll try to start:
"Hey, first post, I am looking to change my spark plug in my lawn mower.
What tools should I get?"

"First, you also want to get a 50 gallon air compressor. Oil-lubed only. And the IR 2135TiMax impact wrench. Search garage sales for a few months, and you'll get a good deal for a used one. Craftsman *****!! Then, buy a $250 Snap-On Torque wrench to tighten it. B/c anything China is total junk!"

devoncoolman · Dec 8, 2013

That had to be the stupidest video ive ever watched in my life. Theres no substitute for quality tools. And well most things that come from china are junk.

Anyway yes in a professional setting quality tools are the way to go but working up to that level slowly is the only way. Not all of us are like that. But spending the extra money the first time instead of spending it twice when the cheap **** breaks doesnt seem cost effective.

thesilverone · Dec 8, 2013

GoodEnough said:
First, watch this video...

What are some good lines you could have for a TOOL version of this video?

I'll try to start:
"Hey, first post, I am looking to change my spark plug in my lawn mower.
What tools should I get?"

"First, you also want to get a 50 gallon air compressor. Oil-lubed only. And the IR 2135TiMax impact wrench. Get one used, they are a great deal. Carftsman *****!! Then, buy only a Snap-On Torque wrench to tighten it. B/c anything China is total junk!"

you sound butthurt

GSteg · Dec 8, 2013

There is a lot of truth to this. While you want good tools, you don't need to spend a **** load of money to get the job done. I see people recommending the same thing the pros use for homeowners who will probably go as far as drilling holes to hang a picture.

Harrison2 · Dec 8, 2013

your post is invalid but the video is hilarious.

DieselSaves · Dec 8, 2013

I think an 80 gallon compressor would be more useful in the long run.

Ruger_556 · Dec 8, 2013

Well if they ask what the best quality is of course we're going to tell them truck brands... Best value is different.

BK13 · Dec 8, 2013

DieselSaves said:
I think an 80 gallon compressor would be more useful in the long run.

True, unless you need to move it for a task.

rivertucky · Dec 8, 2013

the only way I could see buying whole sets of snap on equivalent or better tools in when used ALOT.

We blow through 8mm and 10mm 1/4 short/long as well as the same in 3/8 drive, we use impacts on them ALL day, they usually last around 6 months then they start to round out. but that was when we first started wrenching we went to sunex then now snap on, so far so good, the warranty is great, you dont dare lose them like the craftsmans and they hold up really good on impacts, but like I said we only go through 8mm and 10mm 1/4,3/8 short and long so those are the ones i upgraded, a 1/4 snap on set is what? $370, the rest of my sockets are a pish posh of HF, SUNEX and northern tool impacts, why? because they work, and they make me money, why would I dig a big hole by buying that set?? makes no sense. It would make sense in my mind if you worked at OCC and were working on $150K bikes that have to be slowly assembled with ratchets and sockets. Its what suits you best is what makes the decision of what brand or better yet quality of tool.

don't get me wrong I have alot of quality tools because I have to, in order to repair these trucks, But I will guarantee I wouldn't be where I'am at if I bought everything from snap on, matco, or mac. I would be in over my head with tool bills and be working SOLELY to pay them off, IT MAKES NO SENSE. I use these tools to make me money, not to tie up money in. Sure its an investment but but keep that investment low.... would you rather have a paid off house or a paid off tool box and tools???

Farmall450 · Dec 8, 2013

DieselSaves said:
I think an 80 gallon compressor would be more useful in the long run.

5HP 80 Gallon all the way.

Farmall450 · Dec 8, 2013

BK13 said:
True, unless you need to move it for a task.

That's what hoses are for :beer:

BK13 · Dec 8, 2013

Farmall450 said:
That's what hoses are for

That'd a serious hose to reach my buddy's place in central Oregon... :willy_nil

NWphotog · Dec 8, 2013

GoodEnough said:
First, watch this video...

What are some good lines you could have for a TOOL version of this video?

I'll try to start:
"Hey, first post, I am looking to change my spark plug in my lawn mower.
What tools should I get?"

"First, you also want to get a 50 gallon air compressor. Oil-lubed only. And the IR 2135TiMax impact wrench. Search garage sales for a few months, and you'll get a good deal for a used one. Craftsman *****!! Then, buy a $250 Snap-On Torque wrench to tighten it. B/c anything China is total junk!"

Nailed it. A lot of people are brand and COO obsessed. What's the best value considering usage is the real question. Many, many mechanics did fine wo SO for decades and decades. Now all of sudden you need SO to be a lube tech. Lol.

jayrush13 · Dec 8, 2013

Farmall450 said:
That's what hoses are for

BK13 said:
That'd a serious hose to reach my buddy's place in central Oregon...

We all know the solution to this is one of each one for the shop and one for the service truck

NWphotog · Dec 8, 2013

BK13 said:
That'd a serious hose to reach my buddy's place in central Oregon...

Exactly what I was thinking.

CWP1616L · Dec 8, 2013

Sounds like the OP is feeling pressured to save up his money and buy quality.

DieselSaves · Dec 8, 2013

BK13 said:
That'd a serious hose to reach my buddy's place in central Oregon...

I'd say that's a good excuse to buy a gas powered wheel barrow compressor in addition to the big Quincy shop compressor.

I have fought with enough budget tools in my life that I'd just as soon buy good stuff even just a little at a time, the right tool for the job when possible, and not send dollars to governments I strongly disagree with. I stand by using this as good advice for anyone, new, DIY, anyone.

Good tools, the right tools, and tools without the sweat of slave labor on them.

Skin · Dec 8, 2013

This forum is very balanced with opinion I find, I very rarely see any pressuring to over spend.

CNGsaves · Dec 8, 2013

Long-term most GJers will have mix of tools up and down the quality spectrum.

As for compressors, I've never really seen one sized as 50 gallon !!

The generic size of permanent shop compressor is generally quoted as 5 HP and 60 gallon (oil-splash and 240 volt). However, most every GJer will ultimately have 2 compressors (or more

), with one being smaller and portable, and the other stationary (ie shop compressor 5 HP / 60 gallon, or larger).

Sometimes a compromise can be achieved for occasional users with 26 to 33 gallon compressor that is oil-splash, but still portable (often 120 volt, but sometimes able to be either 120 volt/240 volt).

Number 1 lesson GJer's should learn is NOT spend your big money on compressors that are oil-less and 60 gallon.

See the "CL Find Thread" if you're a GJer in Los Angeles who needs a "compromise" compressor - - - there is Husky 26 gallon oil-splash for $75 . . someone go grab it !!

Thumper68 · Dec 8, 2013

This does bother me a lot. My son was in school for construction trades/carpentry and many of his school mates took the tool list and went to a local place Acme tools where they would get a discount (the note at the bottom of the list said be prepared to spend $1500 to $2500 to complete the list)

I took him to first my shop where we picked up some of my triples, then to the pawn shop and got more, then to HD for a few more, finally we went to Acme tools to get the 1 thing on the list we couldn't find elsewhere for much less. My total spent for the entire list was $374.37, less than a 1/4 of what his instructor quoted. There is no way a new to a trade person should go out and buy the newest/best/most expensive tools for any trade. Funny part is his class mates made fun of him for his used tools, he turned the tables on them when he pulled out the receipts.

My advice is to buy used, buy cheap, get what you need and when you are making money then invest in high quality tools.

I see so many people leave school in debt up to their eyeballs, tools, project costs and loans that they will be working for most of their lives to pay it off.

JoeFin · Dec 8, 2013

I guess we are all just lucky Happy Fart (Harbor Freight) doesn't sell cars

ddawg16 · Dec 8, 2013

The choice of tools is more emotional than that of politics....

My personal opinion...the most important tool is the shop vac.

lilscorpion · Dec 8, 2013

Thumper68 said:
My advice is to buy used, buy cheap, get what you need and when you are making money then invest in high quality tools.

I see so many people leave school in debt up to their eyeballs, tools, project costs and loans that they will be working for most of their lives to pay it off.

Extremely good advice. For about 15 years I had a mixture of HF and some craftsman. Broke a tool here or there but, to be honest, most of the broken tools were the result of mis-use and failure instead of just failure. I didn't always have the tool I needed but waited until I did to buy it. Even with my limited tool collection I still ended up having tools I purchased that I never really used or needed. To this day I still use HF impact sockets. They've served me well and I can't replace them because I still have the original set which has never failed and a backup I figured I'd need but never did.

Now that my income has increased I am able to buy higher quality tools however its only because I want to, not because I need to. Most of the cheap stuff still works like it did the day I pulled it out of the box. Now I'm not a professional wrench however I did use my tools professionally for machinery maintenance and prototype installs so I was a little more than a DIY occasional user. Either way I can say I honestly made money using HF tools and rarely did they let me down. If they did, I just replaced them. In the long run I probably saved a heap.

nicksnothereman · Dec 8, 2013

It's better to have a whole lot of medium grade tools (including tool redundancy) than it is to have large gaps in professional grade tools. That's not an opinion that's a fact. :lol:

"I had to borrow" seems to come up a lot on here. You shouldn't be borrowing anything, you should own it; you should stand on your own and fall on your own. :thumbup:

nicksnothereman · Dec 8, 2013

JoeFin said:
I guess we are all just lucky Happy Fart (Harbor Freight) doesn't sell cars

They have something similar. People call them chryslers. :lol_hitti

monomach · Dec 8, 2013

I love the threads we get with guys just starting as lube techs. Some folks always say something like "You need to get some Snap on wrenches! There's no comparison!"

That poor schlub is probably going to be making 9 or 10 bucks an hour. He can't afford the payments on anything...and what the heck is a lube tech wrenching that needs Flank Drive Plus? Drain plugs?!? The right advice is "get a couple of 6 point Dog Bones and build a set of basic USA raised panels from pawn shop junk bins."

NHBandit · Dec 8, 2013

monomach said:
I love the threads we get with guys just starting as lube techs. Some folks always say something like "You need to get some Snap on wrenches! There's no comparison!"

That poor schlub is probably going to be making 9 or 10 bucks an hour. He can't afford the payments on anything...and what the heck is a lube tech wrenching that needs Flank Drive Plus? Drain plugs?!? The right advice is "get a couple of 6 point Dog Bones and build a set of basic USA raised panels from pawn shop junk bins."

I dissagree. Quality tools are as important an investment as a good education if a guy is starting out in a career he is planning to pursue for the rest of his life. Spending a bit more for the good stuff also teaches you to take better care of your tools and not take them for granted. Next to proper training in your chosen field they are the next most important investment you will make. Also along with dressing like a professional, having professional grade tools is something a prospective employer IS going to notice. Now that I'm older and retired I can say I've pretty much done it all in the automotive field. I worked as a mechanics helper in a Zayres (remember Zayres?) Automotive department in the 70s, dealerships, had my own garage for many years, been a service manager and hired & fired and trained my share of guys. Show up with a beater set of tools in a POS box for a job and you are already off on the wrong foot with the boss AND the other professional mechanics. They assume you're a low rent hack even if you're not. Sorry for a dose of "cold hard truth" but if you want someone to lie to you I'm not your guy... Harbor Freight, Lowes, Home Depot, etc & those type of tools are great for the home hobby type guy. They are NOT professional grade tools. With all of that said, there is no requirement that says you have to go into debt with the tool trucks if you're smart and you have some cash to invest. There are lots of guys retiring, people changing careers, and things of that nature who are selling quality used stuff for a fraction of new prices. You really want to support Americans ? Buy used stuff from a local guy, flea market,, pawn shop, etc.

nicksnothereman · Dec 9, 2013

NHBandit said:
I dissagree. Quality tools are as important an investment as a good education if a guy is starting out in a career he is planning to pursue for the rest of his life. Spending a bit more for the good stuff also teaches you to take better care of your tools and not take them for granted. Next to proper training in you chosen field they are the next most important investment you will make. Also along with dressing like a professional, having professional grade tools is something a prospective employer IS going to notice. Now that I'm older and retired I can say I've pretty much done it all in the automotive field. I worked as a mechanics helper in a Zayres (remember Zayres?) Automotive department in the 70s, dealerships, had my own garage for many years, been a service manager and hired & fired and trained my share of guys. Show up with a beater set of tools in a POS box for a job and you are already off on the wrong foot with the boss AND the other professional mechanics. They assume you're a low rent hack even if you're not. Sorry for a dose of "cold hard truth" but if you want someone to lie to you I'm not your guy... Harbor Freight, Lowes, Home Depot, etc & those type of tools are great for the home hobby type guy. They are NOT professional grade tools. With all of that said, there is no requirement that says you have to go into debt with the tool trucks if you're smart and you have some cash to invest. There are lots of guys retiring, people changing careers, and things of that nature who are selling quality stuff used for a fraction of new prices.

Investments appreciate. Tools you're using do not. So they're capital assets to a degree, that degree being how quickly they wear (or degrade). :lol:

NHBandit · Dec 9, 2013

nicksnothereman said:
Investments appreciate. Tools you're using do not. So they're capital assets to a degree, that degree being how quickly they wear (or degrade).

LOL.... If someone has decided that repairing something mechanical regardless of what it is is going to be how they feed their family then tools are the single most important investment he will ever make. They are what allows you to do your job which is why your employer gives you a paycheck. Your logic makes no sense. As far as "degrading" I have Snap On tools that were my dads that still get used every day. I am a grandfather myself and those tools are well over 50 years old. I also have had cheap imported tools break the first time I tried to use them. Downtime going to get a replacement cost me WAY more than what I saved by using **** tools. You go right ahead and do things your way though. You sound like an accountant, certainly NOT a professional mechanic. :thumbup:

monomach · Dec 9, 2013

NHBandit said:
I dissagree. Quality tools are as important an investment as a good education if a guy is starting out in a career he is planning to pursue for the rest of his life. Spending a bit more for the good stuff also teaches you to take better care of your tools and not take them for granted. Next to proper training in your chosen field they are the next most important investment you will make. Also along with dressing like a professional, having professional grade tools is something a prospective employer IS going to notice. Now that I'm older and retired I can say I've pretty much done it all in the automotive field. I worked as a mechanics helper in a Zayres (remember Zayres?) Automotive department in the 70s, dealerships, had my own garage for many years, been a service manager and hired & fired and trained my share of guys. Show up with a beater set of tools in a POS box for a job and you are already off on the wrong foot with the boss AND the other professional mechanics. They assume you're a low rent hack even if you're not. Sorry for a dose of "cold hard truth" but if you want someone to lie to you I'm not your guy... Harbor Freight, Lowes, Home Depot, etc & those type of tools are great for the home hobby type guy. They are NOT professional grade tools. With all of that said, there is no requirement that says you have to go into debt with the tool trucks if you're smart and you have some cash to invest. There are lots of guys retiring, people changing careers, and things of that nature who are selling quality used stuff for a fraction of new prices. You really want to support Americans ? Buy used stuff from a local guy, flea market,, pawn shop, etc.

Lube tech. Seriously...Lube tech. You know, the guy who makes the same amount of money as a McDonald's cashier? He changes oil, tries to upsell air filters to everyone, and swaps out burned-out bulbs. He doesn't diagnose anything. He doesn't change tires. He doesn't even do tune ups. 95% of them don't even have "a beater set of tools in a POS box" because most of them don't have actual boxes. One of them at my dealership was using Harbor Freight wrenches until we pitched in and built him a simple set of Craftsman raised panels. The Craftsmens were about 10x as good as what he needed, and they're the most basic thing out there.

Realistically, I could get a lube tech the bare bones necessary to do his job with $20 in a Walmart tool aisle.

You kind of sound like what the OP is talking about. Lube techs don't need a single professional grade tool. They don't even need mid-grade tools.

NHBandit · Dec 9, 2013

monomach said:
Lube tech. Seriously...Lube tech. You know, the guy who makes the same amount of money as a McDonald's cashier? He changes oil, tries to upsell air filters to everyone, and swaps out burned-out bulbs. He doesn't diagnose anything. He doesn't change tires. He doesn't even do tune ups. 95% of them don't even have "a beater set of tools in a POS box" because most of them don't have actual boxes. One of them at my dealership was using Harbor Freight wrenches until we pitched in and built him a simple set of Craftsman raised panels. The Craftsmens were about 10x as good as what he needed, and they're the most basic thing out there.

Realistically, I could get a lube tech the bare bones necessary to do his job with $20 in a Walmart tool aisle.

You kind of sound like what the OP is talking about. Lube techs don't need a single professional grade tool. They don't even need mid-grade tools.

Sir you are entirely correct if he plans on staying a lube tech his entire life. I certainly didn't say the kid had to go out and drop 20k on a full set of everything in order to change oil but maybe you read a different post of mine than the one I typed. I would at least hope he's got a decent set of common size wrenches so he's not rounding off drain plugs but what do I know... Sorry for challenging your logic...... PS.. did't YOU just post this recently on a thread about Craftsman tools going to China ? Quote... "It's looking a lot like they're starting to shift their production over to China, too. Kinda kills them for me.
I used to wrench for a living and a large amount of my hard line stuff is US" LoL... Really ? Seems a bit contradictory to me. Maybe you're just looking for an argument ? I'm not. Have a good night.

monomach · Dec 9, 2013

NHBandit said:
Sir you are entirely correct if he plans on staying a lube tech his entire life. I certainly didn't say the kid had to go out and drop 20k on a full set of everything in order to change oil but maybe you read a different post of mine than the one I typed. I would at least hope he's got a decent set of common size wrenches so he's not rounding off drain plugs but what do I know... Sorry for challenging your logic...... PS.. did't YOU just post this recently on a thread about Craftsman tools going to China ? Quote... "It's looking a lot like they're starting to shift their production over to China, too. Kinda kills them for me.

I used to wrench for a living and a large amount of my hard line stuff is US"

Round off drain plugs? Two dog bones and he's set on drain plugs, really. I've never even seen a rounded-off drain plug.

I don't understand what MY tools being mostly US and a little bit of quality Taiwan have to do with this, though...? And that was me talking about Kobalt in response to someone, not about Craftsman. My stuff is a mix of cherry-picked US Craftsman and truck brand stuff, but I'm not that kid making sustenence-level pay checks; I was a flat rate Ford tech. I'm not a lube tech and haven't been since the early 90s when I was working my way through tech school.

In any case, Chinese tools sure as hell aren't for me...I hate 'em...but that's all those kids can afford until they get promoted...and there isn't a single tool one of them needs that they can't get from China.

NHBandit · Dec 9, 2013

I bought almost a complete set of lightly used Cornwell 6 point 1/2" drive impact sockets this morning at the Bristol TN flea market for $1.50 each. I will find the missing sizes the same way. I didn't need them since I already have plenty of tools but it was too good to pass up. In fact when all is said & done it will probably have cost me less money than a brand new POS set from Harbor Freight and I have no doubt they will last longer than I do. And the money went directly into the pocket of a fellow American. I try not to support the economy of China if I have a choice. THIS is what I was trying to say. Maybe you missed the part where I said the kid didn't need to go into debt with the tool trucks to get good tools... Later. It's late and as I said, I'm not here to argue.

redwrench60 · Dec 9, 2013

The lube techs where I work replace, rotate, balance and repair tires. Change oil, replace filters of all types, (oil air fuel cabin) inspect brakes, replace bulbs, belts, perform inspections, minor repairs and other services. They need more tools than you think, hand and power tools. They figure out real quick what they can get away with tool wise.

gagreen · Dec 9, 2013

NHBandit said:
Sir you are entirely correct if he plans on staying a lube tech his entire life. I certainly didn't say the kid had to go out and drop 20k on a full set of everything in order to change oil but maybe you read a different post of mine than the one I typed. I would at least hope he's got a decent set of common size wrenches so he's not rounding off drain plugs but what do I know... Sorry for challenging your logic......

I interviewed for a job as an a&p, my toolbox was weighed as much as my 7 years in aviation prior to being an a&p. My first civilian job started at 15 and I spent at least 25% of my checks on tools, my 90 day post probationary period raise was 3 dollars an hour. I started out making temp factory worker money but my "investment" in tools showed a commitment that factored heavily in my first raise. So yes tools are an investment.

I have also seen the opposite, guys who stack deep on tools and quit. Being a mechanic is one of the least glamorous jobs out there. Everyone thinks we are trying to screw them, guys in polo's look down on you, your boss rides you, every mistake is a big mistake, our hands are filthy, our clothes are ******, our hours are borderline terrible, school is expensive, tools are more expensive... One thing that keeps me sane is holding a quality tool that fits my hand, a toolbox that shines, drawers full of everything that I need. You don't have to have the best but when you do it's just a little something that makes your day that much easier.

Whether it's misplaced or not I take more pride in my tools than my car. I choose to have a tube tv over an led to buy a set of wrenches. My phone is 4 years old, I don't have an xbox or playstation, but I have a bad *** set of tools and a kickin retirement set up. My tools don't make me a good mechanic they make me a more efficient one.

NPOD3 · Dec 9, 2013

When I first learned to play drums, I bought a kit with cymbals for $250. It was no Tama Starclassic or Pearl Masters series; it was some X-brand that was beginner level. But man, when I bought it, I felt like I was in Metallica in their glory days. I enjoyed every day I played. I got better drum heads, learned how to tune and muffle, bought excellent Zildjian cymbals, and still play to this day. After 16 years of playing, I finally bought a semi-pro level of Gretsch drums with beautiful Zildjian cymbals surrounding it. It is truly a studio kit if I wanted to take it to one.

Point is: I started with beginner gear. I found tools to be the same thing. Started with HF everything - then started replacing hand tools with Craftsmen, Kobalt, and Husky. All my power tools are becoming Craftsmen and Ryobi. My new 33 gallon air compressor is a Made in USA Husky with a full range of Husky air tools - impact wrench, cutting wheel, air hammer, air ratchet, and air gun. And to me, this is DIY-professional gear. This is NOT pro shop gear that would be used 365 days; this is gear that I will use in my garage once a week or once a year, and to me - it is approaching the "zenith" - and you know what - I'm happy with the tools; they get the job done, and that's good enough for me.

To me, you start with "economy gear" - then as you get more serious, show progression/improvement, and determine if this is "something you're going to pursue" with dedication and commitment - THEN - you start shelling out the money.

Dedicated people can do so much with nearly nothing while people with money to burn accomplish nothing. Actual mileage may vary.

justanengineer · Dec 9, 2013

monomach said:
You kind of sound like what the OP is talking about. Lube techs don't need a single professional grade tool. They don't even need mid-grade tools.

In every shop Ive worked in lube tech was a fancy pc word that meant apprentice. Yes, they did mostly oil and bulb changes and other basic tasks but they also were slowly worked into the regular work rotation via minor repairs as they "proved" themselves. Granted, I never worked in a "lube shop," so everybody hired was expected to become a regular tech eventually. The smart ones bought a few tools every pay day so they were prepared for the work ahead and invested in the best they could afford, cant say I ever saw much from Harbor Freight in any shop, but tons of Cman and other mid-grade tools when folks didnt want to spend the cash on the truck.

I find it rather ironic that this thread pops up on this forum, this is one of the less tool-snobbish sites I'm on.

ScurvyPete · Dec 9, 2013

monomach said:
Round off drain plugs? Two dog bones and he's set on drain plugs, really. I've never even seen a rounded-off drain plug.

I have a rounded-off drain plug, actually. Probably due to using deep-well sockets with a breaker bar... :dunno:

Edited to add: The 4:00-4:15 mark in the video is something I hear said on a regular basis on this forum in a much more "snobbish" tone than any actual tool discussion. And it pisses me off.
A lot of people here act like financing and credit is the absolute devil, when, if used responsibly, can be a great asset. Cash-back credit cards spring to mind here.

gte718p · Dec 9, 2013

Do you dronk Coke or Pepsi, soda or pop. The point is everyone on this board is going to agree. State you opinion and move along. Ever opinion is valid and every one has faults. Its up to individuals to make the desicion themselves.

As for the rounded off drain plug I've had several. Its annoying and depending on the vehicle a very expensive problem. All have been from quick lube places b/c I was lazy or in a hurry. Never again will my cars see a quick lube.

gte718p · Dec 9, 2013

ScurvyPete said:
A lot of people here act like financing and credit is the absolute devil, when, if used responsibly, can be a great asset. Cash-back credit cards spring to mind here.

Yep credit is the devil. Capital investments only. Houses, education, and maybe cars. Tools can be argued as a capital investment, but you need to be prepared to have a serious discussion of want vs need.

If you can't afford it now, what makes you think you can afford it later at a higher cost.

Cash back credit cards are a scam unless you pay your bill every month. Then is just playing the system. If you pay it off its not really financing. You can split hairs about credit, but that goes down a rabit hole discussing if your power and water bills are credit. The CC companies make their ~3% from swipe fee, but the real money is made knowing that a large number of the people who sign up for a card will not pay it off monthly.

This opinion is mine. YMMV

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