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Curious to know...are there any rotating USA vises?

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By 'rotating' I mean this style below. Don't know if I'd ever need one but they look interesting, with the exception that they all seem a little junky in manufacture, likely due to POC origins-- at least the ones I've seen.

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Any USA versions of these or at least quality Asian brands?
 
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We have one on our bench at our waste water plant.. I think you can just barely see it in some of my pics in my LED T8 thread. (Link below) I'm not sure of the brand. . She's an old girl.. tough as nails.. I love love love the rotating function of it. Awesome for cutting stuff with a sawzall etc. (Angle cuts)

I'll look at what brand it is in the morning.
 

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I have a couple offshore ones from Costco. I LOVE THEM!! They are so handy with the pipe clamp on the bottom. I bet that parker is worth some dough.

And that 700lb Pittsburg would be the holy grail!
 

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the vise you started the thread with is one of the nicest one of those Chinese made ones I've seen. almost every one I have seen and they are not just a few have misaligned jaw, broken pipe clamps and most of the rotations are not able hold a position.

the Parker vise is very nice. rare??

I've only seen the 695 pound railroad vise in an old catalog. any body own one or have a picture of an actual one? just curious
 

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Another old ad, and very reminiscent of the Chicom rotators, but production was gone long ago:

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HF vise goes back that far?

The origin of the Chinese rotating vises is actually the USA. The original version of the vise was patented in 1921 by Edwin Wayland Fulton,Patent US-1404109A. Its sort of confusing, but E. W. Fulton had moved to Lowville, NY in 1905 and purchased a foundry. He later sold the foundry and started a company called the Atlas Vise Co. Inc. to sell a wide selection of vises. One of the vises was called the Nutyp Combination and Bench Vise. This is the vise the patent refers to, and the one the Chinese vises copied. These vises were apparently produced by the Oswego Tool Co., or at least the rights were licensed to Oswego. Fulton had also started the Velox Vise Co. which produced a quick action machinist bench vise that was also designed and patented by Fulton and licensed to Oswego. The Nutyp Vises were also produced as the F. & R. Combination Special Vise and sold by Boker Cutlery and Hardware NY, NY. There were also apparently contracts to produce the Nutyp vises for the American and French governments. Fulton had other vise patents under his name, and eearlier in his life he apparently worked for the Prentiss Tool Co.
 

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U.S. Made rotating vise, I have a very old 8 inch Columbia that rotates, and weighs about 175 lbs. Still nothing like the Railroad vise, WOW! Ken.:willy_nil
 

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Then there is my Fred C Moran, and someone on here has a similar one.

Then I saw another old USA one....IRRC, "Thomason" or somethin like that...
 

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I know it's not USA, but a shop I worked at has several GRIP brand rotating vises. They hold up to a surprising amount of abuse.
 

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AFAIK there are no rotators currently mfr'd in the US. Here is one you might find to be the best after the English made Swinford.

http://www.yostvises.com/specialty-...bination-pipe-and-bench-vise-swivel-base.html

Initial report at posts 6 & 8 here: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=200929

I have this exact vise. I remember that I was disappointed to find the COO as Taiwan when I bought it (Amazon said USA) but the price I paid was less than half of MSRP and I was just starting off. Unlike many lesser vises, mine did not need any additional tightening, alignment, or lubrication.

Five years later, the Vise still serves me very well. The Yost literature says it is not a heavy duty vise, and recommends it strictly for light duty/home/hobby use. The swivel feature is really nice, and I plan on keeping it once I upgrade to a larger vise.
 

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doesn't Yost make a US one?

The Yost rotating vise is an import. The newer version is manufactured from 30,000 PSI ductile iron thoough, and should be high quality.

There's the Swindens Vise which is manufactured in the UK out of a mixture of steel and ductile iron, but my understanding is they cost more than $1,000.

http://www.swindens-vices.co.uk/

Bison Bial/ FPU of Poland manufactures a rotating vise similar in function to the Moran and Parker vises pictured above. It only has one set of jaws. The model number is 1271-125. I have no clue if anybody imports the Bial vise.

http://www.bison-bial.com/en/cms/offer/view/id/196743?size=70740
 

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I have this exact vise. I remember that I was disappointed to find the COO as Taiwan when I bought it (Amazon said USA) but the price I paid was less than half of MSRP and I was just starting off. Unlike many lesser vises, mine did not need any additional tightening, alignment, or lubrication.

Five years later, the Vise still serves me very well. The Yost literature says it is not a heavy duty vise, and recommends it strictly for light duty/home/hobby use. The swivel feature is really nice, and I plan on keeping it once I upgrade to a larger vise.
You have the older model - the 750.

This year they introduced the 750-DI which is made of ductile iron and is heavier which means the castings are thicker.
http://blog.yostvises.com/2013/07/yost-750-di-making-the-best-rotating-vise-even-better/

Some where on GJ there is a pic of a Wilton or Columbian Chinese rotator with a broken static jaw. Apparently the castings are rather thin in many of these Asian made rotators which makes them weaker than some of the more conventional design vises even when materials are the same.
 
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I know it's not USA, but a shop I worked at has several GRIP brand rotating vises. They hold up to a surprising amount of abuse.

I beat the hell out of my Larins and they hold up very well. I'm not scared to beat on them like i am with my nice american vises.
 

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I got spme import junk my Dad bought at bargain barn way back when. I had another regular but busted it and pressed this in to general service and it sufficed. I have an anvil but do plenty on this one over the years with a 4# hammer and very impressed. I always figured I would have to replace it but they are super handy and woulsnt want anything else.
Its a rare day I use a drill press for anything, between the vise and clamps on the edge of a bench its easier than trying to jig a piece to do a one off hole, flip it around jig align etc again.

The bench is a cobble job but it holds the vise and lets you sit a tool while using it. I know it would cost more but the pipe jaw needs work, I just don't do it and in my shop one size bigger woudnt be a liability. The leg is bolted to the floor.
 

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This is an older thread but I found the information still relevant.

I have a 6” standard bench vise already but am interested in obtaining the rotating vise as a secondary vise. I feel this type of vise would be useful in certain applications such as disassembling a weed eater, edger etc. I also realize this type of vise is made in China. There were some older American made vises of this type by parker and some other companies, however, those are difficult to find. I have even seen the same type of vise currently being produced by an English company Swinford on another GJ thread but it was significantly more expensive.

I am considering getting a Palmgren rotating vise from Zoro. The older Palmgren was turquoise and the newer Palmgren is brown. The newer brown painted Palmgren may be made in the same factory in China now as the other rotating vises.

If the Palmgren rotating vise seems better built than the other Chinese rotating vises by Wilton, Yost, and other companies then I will get the Palmgren.

In conclusion, the vises are made in China. It would be great if at least one of the vises was even made in Taiwan but it appears they are all Chinese now. (It looks like the Yost was made in Taiwan, it may still be Taiwan. If so, I would rather have Taiwan vise than a China vise)

So which one is the most durable? The Palmgren used to appear heavier but it may have the same specs as every other rotating vise now. Which rotating vise do you recommend I get? Thanks!
 

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A&P,

I have a run of the mill rotating one, 5" or 6", and use it A BUNCH! Mind you, this is surrounded by Wilton Bullets and 8" Athols.

Mine is the super cheap chinese one with bondo and black paint, come to think of it, it is an ALLTRADE badged, but that damn thing is so handy because of the swivel. I know how to treat vises, but I've definitely whaled on it a few times (knowing that if I broke it, it wouldn't be the end of the world) but it's held together just fine.

The last time I used it was for the HF flat stock/round stock bender that is on a 3.5" x 3.5" square stand. I don't have that bolted down, so i rotate the vise 90 deg and lock it up in there and then use the bender.

I don't "think" the Palmgren would be better, but maybe. I'd say grab one of these of CL and paint to your choice of color. Just my 2 pennies.....

(Also, do you work with rivets a lot? I sure would like to see some threads and tips and tricks for solid rivets, cherry rivets, Avdel, etc)
 

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Hi Dave,

Thank you for the rotating vise review. I researched the rotating vises some more. I compared several on Grainger’s website. I am putting the information down below in case anyone finds this useful down the road.

Westward Taiwan 4YT10 Shipping weight 66 pounds (Looks similar to Palmgren but Taiwan)

Palmgren China MJ50 Shipping weight 56 pounds (Looks the same as the Westward but China)

Westward China 10D727 Shipping weight 64 pounds (Looks like every other China run of the mill rotating vise)

Wilton China 69999 Shipping weight 46 pounds (Looks like every other China run of the mill rotating vise)

I will research these some further. However, it appears the rotating vise from Taiwan has the highest shipping weight and looks identical to the China Palmgren. I will research these further but so far I like the Taiwan vise the best.

I will PM you sheet metal info about work.

Edit: There is also a Yost 750-DI. The reviews say made in China and not Taiwan. 63 pounds. Yost has a 1 year warranty for this vise. It looks identical to the westward but China instead of Taiwan. The specs are the same for the 750-DI and the 4YT10, both ductile iron, same weight etc. The prices are similar too, I am leaning towards the Westward because it's made in Taiwan.
 
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Yes Thanks I did see that product page

I called Yost, Grainger, and Zoro today. Yost said their rotating vise is made in China. Spoke to Grainger and called Zoro separately, both companies said the westward rotating vise is made in Taiwan still. I am going to get the Westward rotating vise
 

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I said I would report back. I ended up getting the Yost rotating vise instead of the Westward because the Yost was actually less expensive. The Yost is made in China as stated on the box. I am happy with it for a light duty rotating vise.
 

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A&P, nice vise.

What kind of deburr wheels do you run? What is the left sided one with notches in it?

For cleaning up rusty swap meet tools I usually do .014 wire wheel, then White 120g 3M 6" Radial Bristle Brush, then 3M EXL Deburr wheel.
 

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Thanks. How is the build quality? Does the swivel positively lock with 'gear teeth' instead of depending on mere pressure from the lockdown bolts?
 

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OP . . . . . what did you have to pay for your Yost rotating swivel vise ??

I'm watching a Yarin rotating vise on CL that I might get for welding vise.
 

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Hello Dave

The wheel with the notches is part of a two wheel set for sharpening blades. The grit wheel is used first to sharpen and the cardboard wheel second to deburr. I bought it from USA knife works for sharpening chisels, lawn mower blades etc. The wheels are made in the USA. In hindsight I feel a belt sander may have been better choice because the belt sander has more uses.

RetDac- I understand your question now. The vise does lock with the gear teeth. There is a spring loaded pin you pull to rotate the vise. The vise only locks in certain increments ie. The vise will not lock in every single degree for 360°. It locks every 20 °or so. The build quality is good for a light duty vise. The older American rotating vises are probably much better but I am happy with this for general use.

Cng-The vise was about $112 from Jet with a 20% coupon for black Friday.
 

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A&P,

I have a couple Burr Kings and a Belsaw Foley belt sanders. Worth their weight in gold.

I grind/sharpen "most" everything with those. But use my Spyderco Tri-Angle for finishing actual knife blades.
 

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... RetDac- I understand your question now. The vise does lock with the gear teeth. There is a spring loaded pin you pull to rotate the vise. The vise only locks in certain increments ie. The vise will not lock in every single degree for 360°. It locks every 20 °or so. The build quality is good for a light duty vise. The older American rotating vises are probably much better but I am happy with this for general use. ...
A positively locking swivel indicates a much better than average Chicom vise. And probably for any other COO as well.
 

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A positively locking swivel indicates a much better than average Chicom vise. And probably for any other COO as well.

I believe he is talking about the pin for the vertical 360, and you are thinking of the horizontal 360 with teeth like a wilton. I sort of doubt it has the teeth, but I'm sure it will grip well enough.
 

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I believe he is talking about the pin for the vertical 360, and you are thinking of the horizontal 360 with teeth like a wilton. I sort of doubt it has the teeth, but I'm sure it will grip well enough.
It does have the teeth: "The rotating base does have an interlocking V-grooved swivel base. It can be locked in any position 360 degrees. The 2 mounting screws work as expected. It has 3 mounting holes and was easy to mount to the bench."

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3127119&postcount=6

And here is the post where he provided a link for his pix: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3127659&postcount=8
 

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It does have the teeth: "The rotating base does have an interlocking V-grooved swivel base. It can be locked in any position 360 degrees. The 2 mounting screws work as expected. It has 3 mounting holes and was easy to mount to the bench."

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3127119&postcount=6

And here is the post where he provided a link for his pix: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3127659&postcount=8

That IS nice. Just like a Wilton. Certainly the best vise of that style.

But wait! So this doesn't get too confusing, for my post:
swivel = horizontal (helicopter)
spin = vertical (airplane's propeller)

My main beef with this style of vise is the large main handle you tighten/loosen the jaws with ALSO tightens/loosens the vertical or spinning axis. Any locking pin (or sometimes a screw) only serves to hold the rotation angle; the workpiece is not clamped at all. Contrast this with the horizontal swivel lockdowns; they are separate from the work holding function (as they are on any normal vise), so one can clamp the work once and horizontally swivel the vise as needed without doing the unclamping/reclamping dance.

So what? Well, I grind bronze sculptures after they cool down. LOTS of grinding. In a fixed, non-swivel regular vise, like a basic Wilton or a woodworking vise, a lot of time is wasted repositioning the piece in the vise to allow access for the grinder. With a common old horizontal SWIVEL vise, sometimes I can just unlock and swivel it a bit and grind, sometimes not even locking the swivel down (if the vise has enough mass). FAST.

It sure would be sweet to also spin the jaws (and workpiece) vertically too!

But with this Yost vise, and all vises that are based on this design, as soon as one loosens the main jaw to vertically spin it, the workpiece either falls out or needs to be held while one spins the jaw. Very awkward, especially if the workpiece is heavy. And my workpieces rarely are nice square and co-planar things, and need to be carefully repositioned in the jaws EACH time you unclamp to vertically spin the vise. Otherwise the sculpture slips and is damaged or worse, it hits the floor (or your foot!).

I called Yost on this, and they confirmed their two double swivel/spin vises work this way (as do all vises that look like them). I also emailed Bison and theirs too operates in a similar manner.

The only ones that allow CLAMPED vertical spinning are the Swindon, the Parker-type vises shown earlier in this thread and some old woodworking Wiltons (have one) and Emmert-type pattern makers vises, and the last two don't swivel horizontally as they were made to be mounted under a bench.

However, I have mounted my Wilton on a German "vise-lift" by flipping it over. Now it rotates in two axis and also goes up and down. The Emmert is WAY too big and has too many levers and other dohickeys to modify in this way.

That Swindon is one frickin' sweet vise. Parker too!
 
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