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I've got a 4 (4') bulb - T8 light fixture with 32W "Cool White" bulbs, but they are just not bright enough for me...

Any suggestions? Bright White? any others?

BTW: It is not a T8HO (High Output) fixture.
 
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If you looking for more light your going to need more fixtures, or higher output fixture. if its a color problem then you can go with a higher kelvin rating. you more than likely have a 4100 K light. 5000K is natural light

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Yeah... I'm thinking it's more of a 'color' issue for me.
I've seen bulbs for (1) Cool White, (2) Bright White, & (3) Day Light.
 

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Subject: Which T8 bulbs throw best light for shop?

Define "best", in this context. Notwithstanding a few "oddball" special-application models, all standard F32T8 tubes put out more-or-less the same amount of light (say, +/- 5%, which isn't enough of a variance to notice; the ballast will make WAY more difference than that).

I've got a 4 (4') bulb - T8 light fixture with 32W "Cool White" bulbs, but they are just not bright enough for me...

Where and how is this fixture mounted? In what sort of space? What is the mounting height, vis-a-vis the ceiling height? How are the interior surfaces of that space finished? Does this fixture have any sort of built-in reflector or diffuser? And do you REALLY have only one of them? Even in a smallish single-bay garage, that would be horribly inadequate to light up the entire space, regardless of any of the other answers; in a larger space, it's simply that much more inadequate.

Any suggestions? Bright White? any others?

Yeah... I'm thinking it's more of a 'color' issue for me.
I've seen bulbs for (1) Cool White, (2) Bright White, & (3) Day Light.

First, none of those terms have any real meaning. They are merely marketing buzzwords, which can effectively mean anything the manufacturer wants them to mean, with no inherent correlation to what the NEXT manufacturer might mean by the same term. The only MEANINGFUL designation for the spectral output is the Color Temperature (in degrees Kelvin) and the Color Rendering Index ("CRI"), which for fluorescent tubes is crappy-at-best anyway.

Second, neither of these factors has much of anything to do with "brightness", per se. For that, you need more raw output (i.e., lumens), period.

But I suspect, from the whole of your comments, that what you REALLY need more than a "brighter" light, is better distribution of whatever light you have.

 

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Lumens are measured with a meter and has a linear response to light frequency. Your eye does not have as linear a response. Basicly, T8 lamps can have the same or similar ratings but depending on the color temp will be more effective for seeing. From memory, warmer lights appear dimmer. In my shop, daylight lamps 5000k, work a lot better than the lower K lamps. Worth a google search, Im on my cell phone, kind of a pain search from. Short story, you need to account for how your eyes work.
 
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Get T8 850 bulbs. 5000k is the whitest bulb you can get before it starts turning blue.

Some FYI: most common bulb is a 735 (warm white) or 741 (cool white). The 7 series is the CRI index between 70 and 79; the 8 means a CRI between 80 and 89, and so on. The higher the CRI, the better you can tell a color.

Go buy a 735, 741, 850 and 865 bulb. Put each bulb in the fixture and make your decision from there.

The next number is the Kelvin, 35=3500 (warm white), 41=4100 (cool white), 50=5000 (Bright white), 65=6500 (Daylight)

My shop with T8 - 850 bulbs. The 850 throws 2850 lumens.
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I've got a 4 (4') bulb - T8 light fixture with 32W "Cool White" bulbs, but they are just not bright enough for me...

Any suggestions? Bright White? any others?

BTW: It is not a T8HO (High Output) fixture.

How big of a garage is this and how many fixtures do you have ?
 
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How big of a garage is this and how many fixtures do you have ?

Actually these lights are for my basement workshop w/ 7.5' ceiling and white walls.

I followed the advise of Billy T (gnxtc2) . . .
I went to Home Depot; they didn't carry T8 850 bulbs that he recommended, but I did pick up some
Phillips T8 32W "Natural Light" bulbs
2850 Lumens, 5000K, with a Color Rendering Index of 82.

They are much better.
Thanks.
 
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How big of a garage is this and how many fixtures do you have ?

Actually these lights are for my basement workshop w/ 7.5' ceiling and white walls.

Still skeptically curious about the size of the workshop, and the number of fixtures (which, from your comments, is apparently ONE).

I followed the advise of Billy T (gnxtc2) . . .
I went to Home Depot; they didn't carry T8 850 bulbs that he recommended, but I did pick up some
Phillips T8 32W "Natural Light" bulbs
2850 Lumens, 5000K, with a Color Rendering Index of 82.

They are much better.

I'm glad you're happy. But unless that "basement workshop" is of the approximate proportions of a small walk-in closet, I still suspect that a MUCH larger improvement could be made by replacing that one 4-tube fixture with some number of strategically placed twin-tube fixtures.

FWIW, and all that.

 
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I have the 'Daylight' bulbs and won't ever go back to regular bulbs. I walked by the door between the house and garage, which was open a crack, and thought to myself, "OK, who left the garage door open?" I walked out into the garage to check on it and realized it was just the output of my daylight bulbs. The older I get, the more light I find I need to see well.

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It is a personal choice; I happen to like 6500K bulbs. When I was the director of facilities at a public school we used 5000K bulbs in the classrooms. A few teachers wanted warmer light to make the classrooms more "homey" and "soothing". I ignored them because it is not home and the kids should stay awake not to mention the additional cost of stocking multiple varieties and trying to keep track of them when I sent out a mechanic to work on them.
 
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Go with the 6500 daylight bulbs they light up the whole shop you will love them.
 

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Thanks for this thread, y'all. In my two-bay plus 1/3 garage, I have just the one two-lamp 4' fixture in the center and have swapped out my garage opener lamps to higher equivalent CFLs(I can switch those on for more light when working, so the lamps are used much more than just when the doors open). Cleaning the tube lens and lamps of bugs and grime actually helped; but I'm ready to add more light, especially for this time of year. I'll be sure to look for the Daylight and Ultra style tubes for the current and any future add-ons.

The one-third extra bay space has no dedicated lighting, so I'm using work lights whenever I need serious light in that area. It will be nice to get something more permanent .:thumbup: Actually considering swapping the ugly laundry room fixture to the garage and updating the laundry light to LED. I'd also like to chat with the person who outfitted our garage with ONE dual receptacle on one wall and ONE single outlet on the opposite wall.:(
 

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I stupidly bought a box of 6500's and put them in the kitchen. BAD move, it was as blue as the blue bar at the top of this quick reply box. After putting up with them for way too long, I recently changed them out for some slightly used 4100 cool white bulbs I got from work (scrapping out the fluorescents and installing LEDs) and I am much happier with the white light now. Personally I can tell very little difference between 4100 and 5000, but the 6500 is very blue, and the 3?00 bulbs are pink or yellow... very off white, and commonly known as a warm white. Great over a meat counter at the grocery......

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Yes, colour temperature is a highly personal choice. To my eye 6500K is way too blue (had them in my old house's workshop), "warm white" 2700K linear fluorescent or CFL's throw a ghastly bilious light making everything and everyone look like they're dying of liver failure. 3500K excellent for inside the house (have it in two clothes closests), but 4100K or 5000K are my choices for workshop light.

4100K looks like pure white light to me. 5000K has a crisper laboratory appearance which I also like. Side by side 3500K and 5000K are quite apart, but 4100K vs 5000K is much less so.
 

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I don't see any blue from my 6500K bulbs. I guess everyone's eyes are different. My 6500's are stark white and the place is like a scientific laboratory. I like enough light to almost need sunglasses when I am working on something.
 

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Man I love that ceiling.. Everytime I see another white corrugated ceiling with nice lighting on this forum I want... :)
If you're going with a white metal ceiling I'd suggest buying fixtures that don't have a white reflector. I bought some that did and didn't like them. I found that the white ceiling does a better job ... and they're a bit cheaper.

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I just bought some Philips advance 5000K bulbs (82 CRI) with 3100 lumens per 4ft bulb (not yet installed). I really like the 6500K color also and hope I didn't make the wrong choice. Oh well, only one way to find out.
 

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I run all 6500K bulbs in the shop here. They can look a little bit blue to me when first fired up, but my eyes apparently adjust quickly and I really like the output. We had the bulbs in the kitchen go out, so I put in a pair of 6500s there so we'd have light - could not get to HD fast enough to get some 4100Ks for the kitchen. Not so good in the house LOL.
 
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