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I have a 20' x 20' rec/excercise room that I plan to heat and cool with a mini split. I have been looking at some better name brands but they were just beyond my budget. Then I came across this chinese made unit. I just can't believe I found this 1-ton heat pump unit on sale for $495 shipped via truck with a lift gate.
For the price, it is worth a try. I'd like to find out how long this thing will last. :lol_hitti
I placed the order and expect it to arrive today.
 
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Regardless of how it's being shipped, I'd be interested to know how it performs once you have it hooked up. Is it cool only, or heat/cool in one unit? I'm considering replacing a noisy, clunky window unit in our game room, and $495 is about my price point.
 
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One ton is not very large. Not sure why you would need it shipped via lift gate truck. Probably two or three boxes, I'll bet none over 40 or 50 lbs.

Charles

You are correct. They are not too heavy especially the indoor unit. The outdoor is a little heavy.
As I don't have any means of getting the stretched wrapped pallet off the R&L carrier's 40-foot container I just opted for the lift gate which was only $25 add'l.

My unit just arrived.
 
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Regardless of how it's being shipped, I'd be interested to know how it performs once you have it hooked up. Is it cool only, or heat/cool in one unit? I'm considering replacing a noisy, clunky window unit in our game room, and $495 is about my price point.

The lift gate is the way to go. It was delivered up to the front of my garage driveway.

It is a heat pump, inverter system (5000-12000Btu). Heat/Cool. No back up electric heat.
I think I bought the last unit.
The next units will be available July 30.

I will definitely monitor performance and service life.
 

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Wow, a 12k inverter heat pump for under $500 sounds like a great deal. Are you going to do the install yourself or hire it out?
 
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Wow, a 12k inverter heat pump for under $500 sounds like a great deal. Are you going to do the install yourself or hire it out?

I have all the tools I need to install so I will diy.
I will ask a licensed contractor friend to check installation/release refrigerant/system start up for warranty.
 

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It's Chinese, so maybe it's an INVERTED ductless split? It mounts upside down?:lol_hitti

Sorry. Couldn't help it...

Great price! Let us know how it runs!

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It's Chinese, so maybe it's an INVERTED ductless split? It mounts upside down?:lol_hitti

Sorry. Couldn't help it...

Great price! Let us know how it runs!

Tommy

LOL :lol:
I have to make a special bracket to mount it inverted.

I am a little bit in doubt now.
I will open the outdoor unit casing this weekend and investigate what kind of control board and compressor came with it. Sales person said it has a Toshiba compressor with a 5-year warranty.

Here are the pics.
The nameplate states that the cooling and heating capacities are variable which makes it inverter type. I hope. We'll find out.
 

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Interested in following along to see how it works.
Thinking of doing a mini split in the 480 sq ft garage and getting rid of the giant noisy whole house furnace I have rigged up now.
 

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I see you have a tank of 410a there; is it pre-charged or do you have to add your own? Sorry for all the questions but I'm very interested in getting a mini split myself and this is the cheapest I've seen, especially with the free shipping.
 

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5yr warranty makes it very attractive.

Damn... I can see you stocked up R-22; that's about $1800 ($220/ea) worth of refrigerant.

That website is quite expensive consider their Daikin 9000BTU/hr heat pump system w/ line set is On Sale, costing $200 more than my local HVAC supply.
 
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I see you have a tank of 410a there; is it pre-charged or do you have to add your own? Sorry for all the questions but I'm very interested in getting a mini split myself and this is the cheapest I've seen, especially with the free shipping.

It is factory precharged. Good up to 25 feet.

I have a few R22, R134A, and R410 for inventory and not for this mini split I just bought.
 
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5yr warranty makes it very attractive.

Damn... I can see you stocked up R-22; that's about $1800 ($220/ea) worth of refrigerant.

That website is quite expensive consider their Daikin 9000BTU/hr heat pump system w/ line set is On Sale, costing $200 more than my local HVAC supply.

Yeah, got 20 tanks of R22 for $90 a few years ago. Better than stock investment if you have cash.
 

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It's a long-term investment to make it worth it but what do you expect the value of R-22 to be in 2020 when they stop manufacturing/import?
 
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I thought it's time to update this Chinese mini-split. I finished the install back in September.

So far it has been doing it's job heating up my rec room. I set it at 65F unoccupied and 70F occupied in heating mode. I can hear the comp and fans ramp up and down. So far, I am happy.
I decided to do a full diy.

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1. Indoor unit
2. Outdoor unit
3. Amp draw - only 2.2 amps as heat pump (230VAC)
 

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i believe blueridge is actually a gree.look at alpine air's websight under each models document section and they show grees service and install info.
they are the same specs as other models of grees also.
by the way what's the coldest temps it's worked for you this winter?
 
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i believe blueridge is actually a gree.look at alpine air's websight under each models document section and they show grees service and install info.
they are the same specs as the neo series of grees also.
by the way what's the coldest temps it's worked for you this winter?

I believe you are correct. It is actually Gree. The tech rep I spoke to over the phone sent me a Gree service manual via email. He mentioned that the service manual will be for Gree but it also applies to the Blueridge.

We had some 20F during the arctic blast but I just turned it OFF. It works ok up to 40 and I can feel warm air coming out the vents but as soon as it hits below 40F, I can hardly feel warm air coming out. But it maintains inside 65F at 35F outside temp. It only pulls from 1.6 to 2.5 amps if if I leave the set point at 65F. Even though the air coming out the vent is not warm, it is still pulling heat from outside as evidenced by the hot copper linesets from the condensing unit. So at least I know the heat pump works.
 
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Warmer weather allowed me to perform pressure and leak test. Discharge pressure in heating mode was only 280psi. It was not putting out as much heat as it was a week ago. So I suspected a leak.
Bought a dye and injector kit from CC Dickson.

Guess what?

A leak in the 1/4 line fitting on the inside unit. I hate flared fittings.
Did not even need a UV light to detect the leak.
The green dye was on the white foam line set insulation.
Shutdown the unit and tightened the fittings using two wrenches.
Put it in cooling mode and charged liquid.
Air coming out the vent is a lot hotter. Will monitor heating performance.
 

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Next time I install another mini split, I will silver braze the inside connections.
The outside flare connections are a lot easier to inspect.
 
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For those who wants to know how the unit performs in heating mode below 35F.
This was after fixing the slow leak and charged to correct operating pressures.
So far I am happy with the performance.
How long it lasts? We will find out in the next heating seasons to come.

Heat pump performance update:
Outside temp: 32F
Indoor supply air temp: 112F
Set point: 68F
Delta T across coil: 44F
 

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Do they publish a outside low temp limit for this unit ? I know as the outside temp drops the unit was to "work harder" to produce the inside heat......but is there practical or functional limit for this unit. ?
 

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We have these in the vast majority of our buildings in Afganistan, usually the Chico brand. I can't speak to the technical details I can tell you the failure rate is quite high
 
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Do they publish a outside low temp limit for this unit ? I know as the outside temp drops the unit was to "work harder" to produce the inside heat......but is there practical or functional limit for this unit. ?

From the service manual:

Heating Operation Ambient Temp Range: -5F - 75.2F.
 

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We have these in the vast majority of our buildings in Afganistan, usually the Chico brand. I can't speak to the technical details I can tell you the failure rate is quite high

Good to know.

Unit comes with a 5-year warranty though. We'll see if it survives past the warranty period.
 

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Thanks for the update. Staying warm shouldn't be too difficult there, a summer of cooling in south Georgia will be the test.

If you have time please keep the thread updated. Thanks.
 

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Good to know.

Unit comes with a 5-year warranty though. We'll see if it survives past the warranty period.

Pure speculation but I am guessing the failure of these in Afghanistan is due to the talc fineness of the dust. It ruins all bearings.
 
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We have a Gree dual head mini split. 18000 btu unit out side with a head upstairs in the living room and a head in the basement in our rec room. I turn our unit off when it reaches -10 degrees Celsius. We have a lot of winter weather around 0 degrees Celsius. So we use it most of the winter in conjunction with our wood stove. We burn almost no oil now, half as much wood (only 2 cords now) and the house is more comfortable than ever. Air conditioning costs are almost non existent in the summer time. Really only about 4-6 weeks we need air conditioning.

If I was to do it over again, I would spend the extra for one of the better units as they make heat down to minus 20 celsius.
 
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I live in a mild winter state so I opted for this unit. It is a heat pump and I have proven that even without a back up electric strip, it can maintain a comfortable temp inside my rec room.
If it craps out after 5 years, it paid for itself in my heating and cooling bill savings.

Now if I live in the sub zero Celcius winters, I would definitely get the better units I can depend to work when needed 24/7.
 

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I didn't want to make another thread about these units, but I finally got the one I ordered. I got an 18,000 BTU 15 SEER heat pump... This one:

http://www.alpinehomeair.com/viewproduct.cfm?productID=453067105

The price when I ordered back on March 20th was $645, with an estimated ship date of May 15th(on backorder)... that changed to May 30th, then June 1st, and finally June 12th(they finally got stock). I have a hard time being upset about it because the price was so low.

They jacked the price up close to what they charge for the more efficient units while it was on backorder, but they honored the lower price for my order. At first I thought they upped the price on the backordered 15 SEER units so they could move more of the more efficient units they did have in stock, but the price never came back down.

While I was waiting on this one for my garage, I installed a 12k BTU Daikin A/C(no heat) upstairs in my house, so I got a little experience installing before it got here.

The Daikin costs more, but I want reliable air conditioning in my house, I'll live if the garage is hot. That said, I did notice a few things quality-wise:

1. The Daikin manual has detailed dimensions and measurements for mounting the interior unit mounting plate and locating the hole for the line set, drain, and control cable to pass through. There was even a slot in the mounting plate to hook a tape measure and engraving indicating how far to measure to locate the center of the line set hole. The Blue Ridge had nothing other than the hole diameter listed. It took a few minutes and some careful measurement to figure out where it should go.

2. The Blue Ridge had the drain hose installed on the "wrong" end(opposite of everything else). The instructions didn't say how to move it to the other side. There's a wire clip on the end of it that catches a tab on the drain ******. I thought it was a hose clamp at first, then I thought I broke something. You simply twist the hose and then pull it off to remove it, then remove the rubber plug from the other end and swap the two around. Daikin has the drain hose on the "correct" side, and gives clear instructions if you want to move it.

3. The terminal strips on the indoor and outdoor units from Blue Ridge downright ****. You just about have to back the screws completely out, and even then the wires barely fit... no problem with Daikin in that regard. It would have ruined my day if I backed one out enough to drop and lose it. I used 12AWG THWN for the power wire, and it was tight. The label states that it needs 16A minimum circuit ampacity, and a 25A breaker. If one were to mistake that to mean they need 10 AWG wire, they'd have a rough time getting it wired.

4. The Blue Ridge is actually nicer than the Daikin KE as far as the thermostat goes. It has a temperature display and several indicator lights on the front indoor unit, whereas the Daikin has no display and minimal indicators

5. The Blue Ridge condenser is noticeably louder than the Daikin and makes some strange sounds when it changes speeds. I'm glad I pad mounted it rather than hanging it on the outside wall. It's not "loud" by any stretch, just not as surprisingly quiet as my Daikin.

It took me forever to get the unit vacuumed down(a couple of hours to hit 500 microns). I think I need to change the oil in my vacuum pump, and nobody that sells it was open today. At first I thought I had a leak, but I made all my own flares, used the supplied flare nuts, and used nylog on the flare faces(it's a thick, sticky, refrigerant oil type substance). Once it finally pulled down, I valved it off and it held fine. The factory flares on the line set I bought looked horrible, once wasn't even round. I've read that you should always cut them off anyway and make your own, and that nylog works much better than refrigerant oil on the flare face to get a nice tight, leak free connection.

Alpine claimed it was a rebadged Gree, but I can't find an identical unit other than this "Air-con" system: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LXK1LV8/?tag=atomicindus08-20 Then manual is identical except for the logo on the cover. Maybe Gree makes them for a lot of people.

If this thing lasts a good while, I'll be very satisfied with it. It cooled down the garage quickly, and works for now. Getting it for $650 made it an easy decision, but I might have considered other brand if it was priced at $850 when I ordered. I could have gotten a Daikin 18k heat pump for $1250 + tax, or buy two of these at $650.

Sorry for the long post. If anyone wants updates when winter comes around, I'll try to post.
 
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My unit cools down my rec room really nice on a 98F day. I can hear the variable speed compressor ramps up on start up and ramps down when it reaches close to set point. So far so good.
 

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My unit cools down my rec room really nice on a 98F day. I can hear the variable speed compressor ramps up on start up and ramps down when it reaches close to set point. So far so good.

Can you tell how much it has increased you light bill yet?
 

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Patrick, on your comment on the drain hose on the "wrong" end, I'm assuming it was opposite the line set connection, so facing the unit, lineset right, drain left. I like to install them in this configuration. It allows a direct routing of the drain line into the wall and not having that drain line laying across the bottom of the unit with the line-set gives a lot more space to get the evaporator to snap into place. I had a hell of a time with my 15k install where I had to have the refrigerant lines and drain line lay across the back of the unit. Bending the line-set straight out the back was not an option on that install. Anyway, I've found it much easier to do them at opposite ends.
 

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How about an update on these? Would you still buy it again after having used it all these months?

Thinking about one of these for my 600sf attached garage.
 
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How about an update on these? Would you still buy it again after having used it all these months?

Thinking about one of these for my 600sf attached garage.

For the area where I am, I will not hesitate to get another unit. It performs as expected in both cooling and heating modes.
 

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How about an update on these? Would you still buy it again after having used it all these months?

Thinking about one of these for my 600sf attached garage.

I've had mine for a few months now, and I've used it a bit for air conditioning the garage. At $650 for the 1.5 ton 15 SEER inverter unit, I would absolutely buy it again. I think the price is closer to $1000 now, which would get me to shop around a bit more or get one of the Japanese brands for better efficiency, reliability and parts availability. I'll see how it works in the winter for heat once it cools off here.

Also, I see you're in Northern Virginia. I'm in Hampton Roads, and 1.5 tons seems just right for air conditioning my 600 sf detached garage. I've got a 10ft ceiling, R13 fiberglass in the walls, drywall, and something a bit over R30 of blown fiberglass in the attic. I'm going to be blowing more insulation in the house this winter, and I may add some extra in the garage while I'm at it. The building is pretty well shaded, and I can cool it down pretty quickly when it's hot out, then it slows down to a reasonable speed.
 
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Warmer weather allowed me to perform pressure and leak test. Discharge pressure in heating mode was only 280psi. It was not putting out as much heat as it was a week ago. So I suspected a leak.
Bought a dye and injector kit from CC Dickson.

Guess what?

A leak in the 1/4 line fitting on the inside unit. I hate flared fittings.
Did not even need a UV light to detect the leak.
The green dye was on the white foam line set insulation.
Shutdown the unit and tightened the fittings using two wrenches.
Put it in cooling mode and charged liquid.
Air coming out the vent is a lot hotter. Will monitor heating performance.
Was the fitting flared by you? If so, what flare tool did you use?
 
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