Big *** Light - 13,000 lumens

RickP · Dec 11, 2014

I just saw this super bright LED shop light:

The price is $399, but they do offer free shipping...
They also have a free 60 day trial, and it has a 7-year warranty.
(they drove a 4-ton truck over it!)

Here's a link to the manufacturer: Big *** Light

And an article about it: CNET article

Installing them throughout the shop might break the bank... but that would make a really nice gift for someone who needs just 1-2 lights in their garage.

(I'm not associated with them in any way, but I thought this was a great over-the-top product. Sorry if someone already posted this -- I did a few searches but didn't find anything.) Edit: I just found a post from 9 months ago ("BigAssLight" with no spaces):
See Photo in post #11

Jere · Dec 11, 2014

Not really that bright for 400 bucks, i can buy an ebay flashlight that puts out 1000 lumens for $7.I know no one wants to find batteries for a bunch of flashlights. My point is there are really bright leds that can be put together way cheaper. LED stuff is super cheap to manufacture and cheap if you look around. But its new technology and everyone is trying to buy in all at once. So we get really over priced stuff like this with a lot of hype.

Stuart in MN · Dec 11, 2014

There were also a couple more discussions here about this product just in the last few weeks.

bzinsky · Dec 11, 2014

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Lithonia...-SearchPLPHorizontal1_rr-_-NA-_-202968125-_-N

LED
$399
13k lumens
122 watts

heavy duty 4 bulb t8 fixture with 4 bulbs from home depot
$67
11,800 lumens
128 watts.

By the time you make up that costs savings, which I'm guessing is like 30 years, It's likely long before you reach that point LED's cost 1/4 as much as they do now. Couple that with inflation, and interest rate on your cash saved, it makes that fixture a terrible investment, unless you just like how it looks.

IMO LED's are only good for
-difficult to reach fixtures,
-places where the bulb is on for very long amounts of time, (like 12+ hours a day) and you can actually recoup the cost in a couple years (you couldn't recoup the cost of that LED shop light in a couple years if it was on 24hours a day.)
-places in which CFL's tend to have a long warm up time (for some reason projection CFL's always turn on dim and need time to warm up), which is annoying.

Otherwise they just aren't there yet.

<property management company that deals with a lot of bulbs and lighting in a huge variety of locations and has worked the numbers down to the penny several times.

RickP · Dec 11, 2014

bzinsky said:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Lithonia...-SearchPLPHorizontal1_rr-_-NA-_-202968125-_-N

LED
$399
13k lumens
122 watts

heavy duty 4 bulb t8 fixture with 4 bulbs from home depot
$67
11,800 lumens
128 watts.

Nice analysis -- I was thinking about doing something like that, but I knew it would take me too long. Your experience definitely made it quick for you.

Those light fixtures are definitely more $$$, but I'll bet someone would get them just for the look. They're not exactly my style, but I might be tempted if I was going for that particular style.

Jere · Dec 11, 2014

there is the option of slowly replacing your fluorescent bulbs with led retrofits too. Just do the whole lamp at once, because your arent reusing the ballasts.

These are on ebay you can find these for less but $7 something each, for a light that will last a 10x as long and is brighter isn't too bad.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-4-110V-AC-T8-48-18W-Pure-White-LED-Fluorescent-Replacement-Tube-Light-/191443675228?pt=US_Light_Bulbs&var=&hash=item2c92eea85c

Beemer533 · Dec 11, 2014

bzinsky said:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Lithonia...-SearchPLPHorizontal1_rr-_-NA-_-202968125-_-N

LED
$399
13k lumens
122 watts

heavy duty 4 bulb t8 fixture with 4 bulbs from home depot
$67
11,800 lumens
128 watts.

By the time you make up that costs savings, which I'm guessing is like 30 years, It's likely long before you reach that point LED's cost 1/4 as much as they do now. Couple that with inflation, and interest rate on your cash saved, it makes that fixture a terrible investment, unless you just like how it looks.

IMO LED's are only good for
-difficult to reach fixtures,
-places where the bulb is on for very long amounts of time, (like 12+ hours a day) and you can actually recoup the cost in a couple years (you couldn't recoup the cost of that LED shop light in a couple years if it was on 24hours a day.)
-places in which CFL's tend to have a long warm up time (for some reason projection CFL's always turn on dim and need time to warm up), which is annoying.

Otherwise they just aren't there yet.

<property management company that deals with a lot of bulbs and lighting in a huge variety of locations and has worked the numbers down to the penny several times.

Your comparison is flawed! You need to compare apples to apples; what if I want to run over my t8 fixtures with my truck? I don't think you can do that with those cheapo fixtures from the Depot!

:lol:

caps · Dec 12, 2014

Don't believe everything you read. 13K lumens would be blinding in a shop.

For reference this is from one of my flashlights from 250ft (tree trunk to me) that claims 3,800 lumens.

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Trey T · Dec 12, 2014

I agree!!

Fluorescent vs LED is really hard to justify since the cost benefit is marginal. However, we compare LED vs halogen or incandescent, there's a huge benefit in getting LED. In a recent outdoor landscape project, I went w/ LED lights instead of halogen. I will begin to see the saving (electric bill) in one year.

bzinsky said:
...
By the time you make up that costs savings, which I'm guessing is like 30 years, It's likely long before you reach that point LED's cost 1/4 as much as they do now. Couple that with inflation, and interest rate on your cash saved, it makes that fixture a terrible investment, unless you just like how it looks.

IMO LED's are only good for
-difficult to reach fixtures,
-places where the bulb is on for very long amounts of time, (like 12+ hours a day) and you can actually recoup the cost in a couple years (you couldn't recoup the cost of that LED shop light in a couple years if it was on 24hours a day.)
-places in which CFL's tend to have a long warm up time (for some reason projection CFL's always turn on dim and need time to warm up), which is annoying.

Otherwise they just aren't there yet.

<property management company that deals with a lot of bulbs and lighting in a huge variety of locations and has worked the numbers down to the penny several times.

bzinsky · Dec 12, 2014

caps said:
Don't believe everything you read. 13K lumens would be blinding in a shop.

For reference this is from one of my flashlights from 250ft (tree trunk to me) that claims 3,800 lumens.

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Not sure if you're serious

RickP · Dec 12, 2014

caps said:
Don't believe everything you read. 13K lumens would be blinding in a shop.

For reference this is from one of my flashlights from 250ft (tree trunk to me) that claims 3,800 lumens.

Shirley, you can't be serious...

This shop light is actually intended for a high bay shop, and 13,000 lumens is just about right for that type of fixture. This company actually sells brighter fixtures as well.

phred · Dec 13, 2014

The biggest problem with fluorescent is they loose brightness over time due to dirt and the the gasses burning out. It's be over 20 years since I did the math on fluorescent bulb life spans but as I recall the average life of a bulb is about 10 months if you are measuring useable lumens at install and end of life. Seems like I recall the calcs hand the lights down to 70% efficiency at 10 months. Not sure how long leds last but I bet it's better than that

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hoston23 · Dec 13, 2014

nywho i got all 8 of my lights in. one of them was bad out of the box. there sending me another unit asap. but i got 2 lights hung up in my shop. i have 4 for the shop and this is only 2. the third bay light is going to stay like that because its just for security. but the lights i replaced were the green looking also. so this picture can show the difference. remember this is just 2 10,000 lumen lights in a 40'x40'x14'. the third bay is an 20'x40'x14

Notgrownup · Dec 13, 2014

I was looking at Lowes 2 lamp led 4" fixtures for $54 including the bulb... I was thinking of installing them around the perimeter of he shop yo start maybe 6 of them then add some s as the budget lets me...

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Kevin C · Dec 14, 2014

bzinsky said:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Lithonia...-SearchPLPHorizontal1_rr-_-NA-_-202968125-_-N

LED
$399
13k lumens
122 watts

Heavy duty 4 bulb t8 fixture with 4 bulbs from home depot
$67
11,800 lumens
128 watts.

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Nice analysis --

I have bridge to sell... Any interest :pimpflash

One tiny point is that the lumens you listed for the T8 is the actual lumens the tubes put out, not the delivered lumens.

The LED fixture is rated for its actual delivered lumens...

LED
$399
13k lumens
122 watts

Heavy duty 4 bulb t8 fixture with 4 bulbs from home depot
$67
11,800 total lumens

@ 75% reflector efficiency expect 8850 delivered lumens.
But wait.... The ballast used in that fixture has a .8 ballast factor. :willy_nil

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3531096&postcount=2

The delivered lumens is actually 8850*.8=7080 Lumens!

What about the watts? Figure about 90% ballast efficiency ~ (4*32*.8)/.9 = 113 watts.

Real Lumens per watt:

T8 62.6
LED 106.6

The LED light is 1.7 times more efficient.

I'm sure the payback is pretty long... but at least lets make the comparison fair.

If you run the lights 8 hours a day 5 days a week....

You need 1.7 more T8 fixtures to get the same light. Cost per year for the Big LED 122*8*5*52*= 253,760 WH. or 254 KWH. If you're paying $.12 per KWH figure about $30 per year for the LED.

The same light from T8's would cost you about $ 52 per year. With that LED figure you would save $22 per year. Straight ROI, (no time value of money) is about 15 years. Assuming two set of T8 bulbs over that time the payback is about 13 years.

mtbmitch · Dec 14, 2014

LED bulbs should last over 20,000 hours. I only get 3 years on the fluorescent bulbs. Fluorescent bulbs put out UV radiation. Easy to rewire a current flourescent fixture to accept t-8 led bulbs. I work out of my garage about 6 hours a day so the payback is real
quick plus the lighting is brighter and no UV radiation. Another plus is the LED lights work great in cold weather, not so with fluorescent bulbs, they need to warm up a bit.

RickP · Dec 14, 2014

Thanks for the additional analysis Kevin C. I didn't really have the time to do it right and I didn't know where to start. I'm going to refer back to this thread when I'm ready to pull the trigger on new lights.

jimdurt · Dec 18, 2014

Probably could reduce the cost of their lights if they were not designed to be driven over by truck. Can't say I ever had a need for a light that was indestructable. Poor marketing if you ask me.

When was the last time you were looking at light fixtures and thought, " I wonder if it will stand up to a truck driving over it?". I use the cheapo inefficient T12s because that is all I could afford at the time of installation. They have been working fine for the last 7 years. Sure they cost more to operate in the long haul but its not a big deal to me right now. I only have 6 fixtures. Small shop. Works though.

Notgrownup · Dec 18, 2014

When trucks start to drive on ceilings it might be helpful

cybrdyke · Dec 18, 2014

Notgrownup said:
When trucks start to drive on ceilings it might be helpful

Thank you for just coming out and saying it!!!!
These Big *** lights are Big *** ****!!!
CD

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