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so i talked to my AC guy who i respect a lot and believe what he says in most cases. (He's never steered me wrong.) i asked him about heating my 30x40 with a mini split and said he would put one in for me but said no matter the brand they are all garbage. they break down and parts are crazy expensive. he said the average life of mini splits and window units are 3 years before running into serious problems. I've looked for reliability information and can not really find the info im looking for. my questions are 1 have people had problems with their mini splits, and 2 are parts crazy expensive and hard to come by. im trying to decide on window units, mini split, or typical split unit. shop is 30x40x10 with open cell spray foam R17.5ish on walls and R21ish on the roof. Thanks in advance.
 
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When I was in Canada recently those Mini Split units are everywhere... I had not seen them so prevalent but they were everywhere...
I imagine the better the quality ones would be better lasting but as far as Data??? You could google per brand I guess... Heel I have seen 18000 btu units for under $1000, not including install.
 
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yeah i was looking at a pioneer unit which is made in USA. it has had great reviews and someone had talked about it on this site. they are pretty cheap in the realm of minisplits
 

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My parents have one at their place, they put it in as they have no ductwork in their house and window ac's just couldn't keep up. It's probably been about 10byears they have had it now and it's running fine, cools down the entire house much better than a window unit ever did.

I can't remember what brand it was but they didn't pay much for it I know.

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A neighbor down the street from me, installed an LG mini-split in his 25x35 attached shop, 3 years ago. In that 3 years, if has quit working 3 times. The first 2 were control boards; first one covered under warranty; 2nd one was 7 months ago, and cost him $800. A month ago, it quit again. Service tech said the compressor is bad. Compressor covered under warranty, but labor was going to be $1000. He said no way.

He removed and tossed it at the State recycle center, and just yesterday, finished a Fujitsu mini-split install.
 

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Your contractor is used to doing things one way and having done it successfully for a long time, so he thinks, "why should I change"? Essentially, he doesn't want to learn new tricks...or, he hasn't done his installs properly. If his installs are only lasting 3 yrs don't walk...run away! Mini splits are the only category of HVAC products that grew through the collapse of building beginning in '08. The projections are that in 10 yrs, 25% of all installs will be mshp's. Recognizing this, all the American unitary manuf are trying to get into it, but they are way way behind technically. Stick with the major brands for support purposes. Mitsubishi, Fujitsu and Daikin are 1, 2 & 3 respectively. They have parts and tech support. In looking at Fujitsu, which I own 3 of in my home, the warranty varies by model: 2 yrs parts/6 yrs compressor or 5 yr parts/7yrs compressor. In looking through the brochure there are only a few 2/6 systems left. MSHP's go in pretty quickly, but you need to do the process correctly. nitrogen purge/pressure test and evacuate with fresh clean vacuum pump oil. Perhaps I'm a tad **** about it but I change the oil every time I do an install. Power supply HAS to be clean. From an electronic standpoint You get surging/fluctuating power and nothing electronic likes it.

I represented Fujitsu in the New England market from '98-'11. I sold a bazillion of these things and I can tell you those Yankees would have cut my you know whats off if they only lasted 3 yrs. They are excellent when you have the right guy on the end of the wrench. All of mine are wall mounted on brackets made for mini-splits. The condensers stay cleaner that way.

In your case since you do not say where you are from it is difficult to advise on sizing. Minot or Miami? It does make a difference. For a building of that lay-out, assuming no petitions I would put an evaporator on each of the long walls diagonal to each other. You could do a dual unit or two individual units. Price it both ways. The dual may come in cheaper but you will have a bunch more money in line-sets, probably. My 24 dual with 2 12's is 16.5 seer (cooling) and 9 hspf (heat). My 12 RLS is 25 seer and 12 hspf. Your decision will likely be based on how much you intend to run them, assuming you can either get your dealer to get his head out of the sand or find a guy who likes to install these things. BTW, you might point out to this fellow that the factories offer FREE technical training on installation and service for installing contractors.
 

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They seem to be the future for retrofit install...I have 6 sisters and 1 brother all in New Brunswick Canada and until the first one installed it they were all like NO WAY a Heat pump can warm my house and now all 6 have them...Plus now they also have cooling in the summer when they need it also...Here it's the opposite, runs 24-7 in cooling mode and heat a little bit in the winter...
 

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...he said no matter the brand they are all garbage. they break down and parts are crazy expensive. he said the average life of mini splits and window units are 3 years before running into serious problems.
Pretty harsh condemning a dozen different manufacturers ! Sounds like the competition is cutting into his busines.

i asked him about heating my 30x40 with a mini split and said he would put one in for me but ...
I will tell you, you will be much happier with 2 air handlers, one at each end, slaved together.
 

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I've never had a window AC fail in 3 years, but I also don't buy Haier or other Chinese ****.

A window AC though is pretty hard to mess up. Give it the right slope, clean it (the part most people forget), and it'll run for a LONG time. Mini-splits should too, though poor installation can cause issues.

My office was commissioned around 5 years ago, and in that time I've seen three Trane rooftop A/C's (top shelf 5 ton units) blow out due to failed components in a VFD (mechanical failure, not an electric control issue; we have a world class TVSS setup if that was what you were thinking), a number of other failures due to installation errors, and a number of failures covered under warranty due to design issues.

Things break. Buy something known to be good, install it right, and you should have pretty good odds.
 
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i live in southern MS. not very cold winters. a couple days to 2 weeks in the teens and very hot/humid summers. i also read somewhere DIY voids the warranties on anything other than mitsu. is this the case?
 

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The original poster left out one classification of unit PTAC. The package heat cool unit like motels use. They are cheaper than mini-splits have about the same BTU ratings and are a lot more durable than window units. All brands just about will fit the same wall mount as that is an industry standard. Plus no external line sets that require HVAC serviceman to install.
 
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The original poster left out one classification of unit PTAC. The package heat cool unit like motels use. They are cheaper than mini-splits have about the same BTU ratings and are a lot more durable than window units. All brands just about will fit the same wall mount as that is an industry standard. Plus no external line sets that require HVAC serviceman to install.

And nowhere near the SEER ratings.......
 

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The original poster left out one classification of unit PTAC. The package heat cool unit like motels use. They are cheaper than mini-splits have about the same BTU ratings and are a lot more durable than window units. All brands just about will fit the same wall mount as that is an industry standard. Plus no external line sets that require HVAC serviceman to install.

And nowhere near the SEER ratings.......
... and therefore a lot more expensive to operate !
 

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" i also read somewhere DIY voids the warranties on anything other than mitsu. is this the case?"

Check the individual manuf web sites for details on internet sales. Mitus supports on-line sales. Fujitsu never did and I do not think they have changed their position. Don't know about Daikin, but to me they would be a distant third anyway.
 

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I'm in the business and I think there are places where they are the best fit. If it's possible to put in a conventional system that's what I would do. A lot of the parts on them are specialized mainly the electronics and can have insanely high prices.
 

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I have been overseas now for 23 years and the mini split is the common practice in all the places (Malaysia,Austraulia,Africa,Middle East) I have been. They hold up just fine if you clean them on a regular schedule. I have never had to have one replaced just serviced.I think more than anything most in the US just are leary because they are not familiar with them. I would buy a good one. We have about 300 hundred in our site offices that have been going for 4 years now in the blistering desert heat of Qatar.
 

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They are a electronic device that happens to cool or heat. Like most electronics they work great forever or they are lemons and don't. Also like electronics they are disposable. So if you had it for 5+ years and it suddenly breaks down replace it.
 

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We (commercial construction manager that specializes in office space) put them in server rooms all the time for supplemental cooling. They run 24/7/365 and keep those rooms about 60 degrees. They are almost always Mistubishi, a few Fujitsu, and Liebert if it's really sensitive stuff. I have never had an issue with any but they are always installed professionally and usually have a factory tech come out for start up. The engineers wouldn't spec them if they weren't reliable.

Reliability isn't an issue but in this case I just don't think it's the right tool for the job. You have a large space so I think a traditional split would be better. Some exposed ductwork with a few take offs and you will be way more comfortable for relatively the same cost.
 

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so i talked to my AC guy who i respect a lot and believe what he says in most cases. (He's never steered me wrong.) i asked him about heating my 30x40 with a mini split and said he would put one in for me but said no matter the brand they are all garbage. they break down and parts are crazy expensive. he said the average life of mini splits and window units are 3 years before running into serious problems. I've looked for reliability information and can not really find the info im looking for. my questions are 1 have people had problems with their mini splits, and 2 are parts crazy expensive and hard to come by. im trying to decide on window units, mini split, or typical split unit. shop is 30x40x10 with open cell spray foam R17.5ish on walls and R21ish on the roof. Thanks in advance.

I know it's been a while but just wondering what you did. I used to sell and install home ac's. I love the idea of mini splits but not too familiar with them with reliability yet. I know with home ac's ,the more efficient you got the more electronics you had. 16 seer was a good stopping point to not have electric related problems. ( circuit boards going bad , shorts etc ) but they arent the cheapest to run. But not the worst either. What about buying a long warranty from manufacturer? I read on another site that they recommend 16 deer mini splits for reliability. I thought that was neat because that's what I recommended for most reliable home Ac systems. Not the most efficient but most reliable. And honestly 16 seer isn't bad. Most homes are running window units or centralized units at 9-10 seer if they are kept clean that is. Hvac-for-beginners.com says
" arcoaire " brand is their favorite 16 seer. And they install and work on them. I can see some problems as being also installed in wrong sizes do the math and measure space gonna be put in. " size it correct " give the dang thing a fighting chance. Don't put a 4 cylinder in a semi truck so to speak. If it dies in 3 years we'll no wonder lmao. If its sized correct it will get less hot ( run less on high speed) and less pressure on compressor. Well thanks and good luck to all. I tried to add picture of web page Info I brought up.
 

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I look at something like mitsubishi or daikin offering up to 10 or 12 year warranty. That might mean they keep parts for that long. Or maybe not. But if you look at the indoor unit and outdoor unit. The Mitsubishi outdoor can hook up with the current indoor unit and some older one. This is big because they make their units in a compatible way and more likely things can be swapped out in the future. Except the hyper heat models needs to be a matching set. not so with LG, pioneer etc. "we don't have that part anymore so you have to scrap the whole thing."

That said looked into mr cool diy or something and I can buy it 3 times for the price or one Mitsubishi installed by a pro.

Also my previous unit is friedrich which is using LG boards. Their electronics does not control as good as Mitsubishi. It would slow down and not reach my set temp or sometimes overcools. The Mitsubishi holds it there and doesn't fluctuate
 
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so i talked to my AC guy who i respect a lot and believe what he says in most cases. (He's never steered me wrong.) i asked him about heating my 30x40 with a mini split and said he would put one in for me but said no matter the brand they are all garbage. they break down and parts are crazy expensive. he said the average life of mini splits and window units are 3 years before running into serious problems.


Well I guess you need to start questionning his advice now.

With proper installation and maintenance, a good mini-split system will last 10+ years. I sometimes see units 15-20 yo (pretty much when they first came out.)
 
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