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Chrome moly vs chrome plated alloy steel

hondacivic247

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I seen there's 2 different materials for sockets I currently use gearwrench/KD tools and they list it as chrome plated alloy steel and so does SK. The kobalt impacts I have I'm not sure of. Which is the better of the two?
 
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Crome molly is a night strength version of steel. Goo material.
Crome plating is a covering that is to help prevent rust.

They are about as different as it can get

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Chrome moly (chromium and molybdenum) is a steel alloy that has nothing to do with whether the tool is chrome plated. Technically, all steel is 'alloy' steel, because steel is an alloy of iron and other elements. High strength steels have all sorts of things in them to give the properties desired for the job at hand. If you made a socket out of the same steel as a drill bit, it would shatter because it is too brittle. Chrome plating, on the other hand, is just there to keep it from rusting and make it look pretty. Some chrome plating also works as a wear surface, since chrome is very hard.

Some sockets are going to have a better (more expensive) steel alloy than others. In general, cheap sockets are going to be soft and weak, so they will either round out or split under heavy use. The steel also goes through a heat treatment process, and better tools have better processes and quality control. Even extremely hard steel alloys start out relatively soft until they are heat treated.
 

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Two totally different materials for different applications. Chrome moly is a steel alloy and chrome plating is a thin plating for resistance to rust and adds hardness which is why the impact material/socket is not chrome plated
 

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Different alloys of steel can be processed differently to produce tools of similar strengths, qualities, or utilities. Without all the details of the materials and processing, there's no way to determine which tool might be better based on the alloy.

To make matters more complex, terms like "Alloy" steel, "Chrome-Moly" or "Chrome Vanadium" steel are particularly imprecise, generally describing the alloying elements, but not significantly identifying their amounts or providing much in the way of useful information to determine the usefulness of a tool. Sometimes, a tiny fraction of a percent of an alloy will make a significant difference in the finished product.

One more layer of complication: Each of the industrialized nations produced (different) detailed specifications for different steel alloys. Steel mills use these specifications to grade their material and offer materials with predictable characteristics to the customer. Outside of these industrialized nations, US, British, and Japanese grades of steel are virtually impossible to get. Foreign and third world steel mills have no or different specs and wildly varying quality to those specs. The Chinese are notorious for selling steel for structural applications that result in bridge or building collapses because the steel was actually inadequate.

So if a Chinese tool supplier says his tool is made from 4130 Steel, that's a US spec, and you can pretty much guarantee the material he used was not US spec steel. It may or may not be similar in properties to 4130. And knowing Chinese manufacturing and marketing, I would guess its just some ******** somebody wrote on a website with no technical justification whatsoever.
 
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hondacivic247

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I only ask cause SK tools and KD/gearwrench listed the same material and it was listed as chrome plated alloy steel. I haven't found what the metric kobalt impacts I have are made of or a few of the regular kobalt sockets. I like my gearwrench sockets more then my kobalts. They fit the ratchet netter with no wobble
 

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Chrome plated alloy steel could technically still mean chrome plated cr-mo, but it probably means a different alloy than that. But it's not specific. There are lots of different steel alloys out there.
 

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RunningOnEmpty is correct. Technically the only difference between the two is that one description is more specific about the composition of the underlying alloy, and the other is more specific about the type of coating.

Chrome Moly is a "low alloy" steel, and as such it will still rust fairly readily if not coated. So even the chrome moly socket would normally be coated with either black oxide or chrome or nickel or similar. So yeah, both descriptions could indeed describe exactly the same socket.
 
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Noticed summit racing lists a kit with chrome vanadium steel not sure if that's what they really are or not but is that worse then chrommoly
 

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this explanation helps

“Toughness” is normally used as a reference to the amount of impact fracture loading an alloy or any material can take. Resistance to fatigue loads can also be called “toughness”. In the context of sockets, both definitions apply here. With proper heat treatment, alloys like 4130 chrome moly, 5160 chrome-vanadium, or 300M steel are all very tough and miles ahead a standard carbon steel regardless of Rockwell rating. Although hardness can affect toughness, the composition of the material itself determines overall how tough it can be. Even within the same family of alloys, 4130 is much tougher than 4340 with the same attention paid to heat treatment.
Thus, while heat treatment process and final result are very important – starting with the right base alloy really frames the entire potential of the tool. For impact sockets, this usually means CroMo which will mar or gouge instead of shatter. The limiting factor here being how much material you’re playing with. On a thin wall you need the Vandium to pull off a thin (and thus necessitating: hard) wall. We pretty much always aim for CroMo (when we can afford the room).

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@Adam. C seems to dislike Chinese steel, more often labelling it as ********. Is bad business relation with some Chinese firm, or is it your chauvinism?

As for the posted question, chrome molybdenum- IMPACT SOCKETS, and Chrome vanadium- Hand powered sockets, usually chrome plated. Chrome plating is not done on impact sockets, as they are supposed to be used with power tools.
 

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@Adam. C seems to dislike Chinese steel, more often labelling it as ********. Is bad business relation with some Chinese firm, or is it your chauvinism?
Steel is one of those things which has separated nations, brought about wars, provided economic, and strategic advantages. In his book "Guns, Germs, and Steel"' anthropologist Jared Diamond explained human history, using steel as an key indicator.

What I have written is no loosely stated GJ opinion based on prejudice. The Chinese are far behind the industrialized nations in steel production. Their supply lines are particularly poor, with poor quality materials pervading the marketplace. Anyone who thinks China or even Taiwan can easily produce a high strength, high quality tool without reliable, consistent, steel simply doesn't understand manufacturing in the Far East.
 
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hondacivic247

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I couldn't say where they get there base alloys from but the fit and finish on there regular sockets from KD/gearwrench in excellent for home use as I don't work in the automotive industry. I do work in the printing industry with million plus dollar printing presses and the only tools we use our SK and some gearwrench x - beam ratcheting wrenchs.
I just did purchase a set of gearwrench 3/8 and 1/2 hex bit sockets cause I borrowed a set of SK to adjust the valves on my quincy 325 compressor and snapped the 3/8 bit so I'm going to see if the gearwrench will hold up and brake this massive set screw lose or fail like the SK
 

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The Chinese are far behind the industrialized nations in steel production. Their supply lines are particularly poor, with poor quality materials pervading the marketplace. Anyone who thinks China or even Taiwan can easily produce a high strength, high quality tool without reliable, consistent, steel simply doesn't understand manufacturing in the Far East.

As for steel production by quantity, China produces approx. 5 times that of USA( data compared using wikipedia source, 2013 stats).
1. China ,2. Japan, 3. Usa. 4. India 5. Russia.

Quality wise, can't comment. The companies that produce steel, are always working to better the quality. The chinese have maglev, though built by a german company, i hope steel used was chinese.
Taiwan can produce a good tool. There are many tool brands from taiwan that are good.
 
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