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Garage-TwentySix – A suburban Two-car in Melbourne, Australia

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Garage-TwentySix – A suburban Two-car in Melbourne, Australia.

Chapter One – The beginning I guess.


After lurking in the garage threads for a hell of a long time and checking out some of the things people are up to, I figured it may be time to post mine up. Like the majority on here, I’m finding it difficult to make the reality match the dream; there simply isn’t enough hours in the day, money in the pocket, other commitments getting in the way etc to do the things I want to do in the time I want them [now!]. Progress will be slow going, but there is a fair bit to do even prior to having to spend bulk amounts of money so hopefully this will give me the kick up the backside I need to get started properly. As it stands, and at least initially, this thread will be just as much about the things I do in here, as it will be about the building itself.

But first, a bit of history, which should help give some context on why I am the way I am. I apologize if this is a bit long winded, but when I started writing this it was a slow day at work so I kinda got carried away. :D

I grew up in the Northern suburbs of Melbourne, an area where migrants of different ethnicities all settled in the late 80s/early 90s. The area developed over the years and began to grow, empty land being turned into new estates at a rapid rate. When my parents first moved here from Europe in 1985, they settled in a brand new house in Thomastown. While the suburb itself is far older than that, the particular section where their house was built was still a recently new development. House was bought literally as JUST the house – my dad then proceeded to build a two car garage with a small workshop and kitchenette behind it, the brick wall up front and landscaping etc, doing everything himself. Dad is, along with my god father Tom, the reason I have the interests I have – both have always been hands on, the why would I pay someone else to do something I can do type, Dad more so with cars and building things.

So no real surprise then that I would grow up to be a rev head [the Australian equivalent of a gearhead]. Will have to find a photo of that house sometime.

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Out front of Mum and Dads second house sometime in 2010. Blue car looks VERY different now

Come ’95 and the parents had finished building their new house, 15mins up the road [scary to think that its now been 20yrs!]. Importantly, it too had a two car garage with drive through access on one side, that same side also having a bit of extra depth. Some 7 years later I would take over that garage when I bought my first of many cars, banishing my poor father to the shed he built in the back yard. It was pretty sparse back then, just some shelving on one side, a fridge at the end and that was it. No work bench [dad had one in the shed], just a piece of carpet that I would assemble things on, knelt down on the ground, using the basic tool box [roller cabinet] my parents bought me for my 16th birthday. Lighting was TERRIBLE, but that was probably because dad never intended to work in there – besides, most of his projects involved the house itself.

Very basic, but I got sh*t done in there – built multiple cars there from quick engine changes and flips, to engine conversions, resprays and smash repairs etc.

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Best early internal shot I could find of mum and dads – still have that car

Alas, things change, and it was time to find my own place. I had fruitlessly searched for two years, each candidate either being too expensive or needing too much work, or not having the practical things I needed – it had to be somewhere, for eg, that I could comfortably live in and not a dingy area where I needed a Rottweiler to make sure my things didn’t go walking, or it had to have a second bathroom. But more often than not, the primary reason for knocking back most places was a selfish one – it didn’t have a garage, or if it did, it was only a single-car/no drive through access to the back of the block, had a non-low-car friendly driveway and so on. I looked at new houses [block too small, garage too small etc], I looked at old houses [no garage, too dingy, sh*tty area]. Had pretty much given up looking.

Its easy to take things for granted; the toolbox my parents bought me for my birthday was languishing in the weather along with my first project car – atleast the car had a cover! But one thing I never took for granted though was the need to have a proper garage.

So one rainy Saturday afternoon late in 2012 I’m working on my car, blocking back high fill when Mum mentions there is a house around the corner going on auction in half an hours time. She had gone and had inspected it with Dad and apparently its right up my alley. Previously I had ruled out my parents estate because the area being relatively desirable meant that the prices were out of my reach – or so I thought.

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Real estate photos always make things look better. Trust me, it was terrible

Here it was then – a 5 bedroom Brick house sitting on a 658sq m block of land, just 9 houses down from the house I spent the better part of 17years growing up in. It was future proof - one of the criteria was I didn’t want to buy a house I would have to sell come family start up time. It had a wide frontage [I hate narrow blocks, don’t ask me why]. It had an ensuite, it had a decent sized block with a usable yard in a quiet street. But most importantly, it had a a generously sized [keep in mind, Australians don’t need to park massive trucks in here lol] garage with space for shelving, a work bench, a flat driveway to actually be able to get a car in the garage in the first place, and drive through access to a nice big concreted area.

This was it.

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Standing in front of the shed – look at how much the bush is covering the garage door

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After almost three years, I still cant kill this tree

And somehow, after coming in as the winning bidder, I had myself a house. Lets just ignore the neglected yard, rotted bathrooms and half-started renovation that was stopped due to a divorce. No problem right?

More to come.

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Firstly, G'day and welcome to the GJ F3ARED,from a little north of you guys, great intro:thumbup:

Its funny how the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree, I am literally 300 mt from our family home that was.

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Gee you're making me laugh, and remember things from WAY too long ago....:thumbup:. First house, working on things on carpet on the floor, the quintessential Aussie 4 cyl banger (Gemini - mine was Corolla - ok not Aussie, but it was built by Colin Bond's rally car builder, so it went like a cut snake. And I put the Celica 5-speed in it on the driverway:lol_hitti).

Looks like you've done well getting a house close by that will grow with you. Good onya! :beer:

I'm 55 now, and not as well as I could be, but you have to get a great start and I think you've done it. Congratulations. My daughter and her Ford mad boyfriend (600 hp BA XR8 Station wagon and 700hp XC sedan) have just moved into their own place and I see "it" in them too. The desire to fulfill all needs, both mechanically and family wise.

I'll be watching with interest. :thumbup:

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A garage with a kitchenette in Thommo? You don't say! :p (My grandparents lived in Fawkner, I know all about it) Great to see a fellow northern burbs member here. Plates look familiar, I'm sure I've seen your screen name somewhere before (I lurk on a lot of forums, though).

Loving the story so far and can't wait to see what's next.
 
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Thanks for the welcome guys. Genuinely suprised at the amount of aussies on here though - or it could be just that we are a vocal bunch, not sure yet :lol:

A garage with a kitchenette in Thommo? You don't say! :p (My grandparents lived in Fawkner, I know all about it) Great to see a fellow northern burbs member here. Plates look familiar, I'm sure I've seen your screen name somewhere before (I lurk on a lot of forums, though).

Loving the story so far and can't wait to see what's next.

Ahh yes the good old kitchenette in the garage. For those playing abroad with no idea what Anth and I are laughing about, it was a common modification in ethnic households, particularly those of Balkan and Italian origins, to build a secondary kitchen usually within the garage or attached to the garage. The majority of the cooking would be done in this second kitchen leaving the kitchen within the house itself clean and unused. It [the kitchen in the house], is almost as infamous as the second lounge room - usually stuffed with Franco Cozzos finest leather and marble, this room would also remain unused in day to day life. The theory behind it being should the Queen come and visit, the house was clean! :lol: Used to wind my ex's mum up about that all the time.

Regarding the car, its been on a few forums but I only really update the one on PF and ozgem now. There may be a different reason you find the Gem familiar though - I recognize the Datto, and the ****** in one of the photos - I believe we share a mutual acquaintance. If you still see Troy, say hi to him from Seki :thumbup:

What car is that it very much looks like my first car an Opel Kadett from 1978, but it's not an Opel, Holden maybe :dunno:

You are in fact correct - both cars in the photo are a Holden Gemini, or as you know it in Europe, an Opel Kadett C. The Australian market got it with Isuzu 1.6L SOHC engines, and it was a pretty popular car down here. When Europe replaced the C with the front wheel drive D, we continued with the old RWD platform by face lifting the front and rear end.

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*Disclaimer - most of my photos are terrible. Not because I dont know how to take a photo, but because I wasn't smart to take photos of my garage BEFORE I moved my stuff in.*

Chapter Two – What we have, and what its for

So, before I could do anything meaningful to the garage, I had to renovate inside and clear up the outside a bit. Worked inside out, made some progress. For example, this is the outside currently.

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Still a lot to do, but a lot better

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Despite back yard still being messy and over-grown in current photos, this is how much was removed – and there is still heaps to go unfortunately

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Plan – as purchased

So, best to begin with what we are starting with, or rather, what we have seeing as it will take a while for any real and tangible progress to take place. The garage is quite typical of the type found in post-80s houses in Melbourne – attached [unfortunately with no access] to the lounge wall of the house, with access via the single panel door up front or roller door from rear. It does however have a nice, wide and unobstructed entry of 4.5m [just under 15’] – the twin entry being something that used to **** me to tears with my parents garage when driving in something wide – and the ability to swallow two cars comfortably. Internally it measures up to approx. 6.25m x 5.95m, or 20.5’ x 19.5’ for those still using imperial.

Reason for the approximate measurement is pretty simple – the East wall is nice and straight as its tied into the front wall of the house and shares its wall with the lounge room. The west wall on the other hand is pretty much free-standing - remember, east and west walls are pretty much only linked by the roof, and the 6 or 7 so rows of bricks above the roller doors on the North and South walls. As a result it has brick pillars/piers [I always get the terminology wrong] and double brick corners to form the supports. This gives me 19.5' in the narrowest points, bit more in between the piers.

Strangely, I don’t have photos of the garage when I first threw out the remaining junk the PO had left, just this one weirdly angled shot of when I finally brought my car home from the paint shop that doesn't really show much [this is the “toy” that’s received a few different engine setups/was in the driveway of the shot at my parents house]. The chest of drawers was another legacy item like the bench and timber shelve – the future for these items being on borrowed time. If you look carefully you can see how unlevel the bench is - the front edge is lower than the rear edge, so stuff rolls forward. Not nice - and this is before i started putting heavy stuff on it!

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Prior to the second car being pulled apart and **** being strewn everywhere

The previous owner had built a bench on the non-opening rear wall, along with full height shelving just to the side of the roller door. The reality is, both are absolutely terrible, rickety things, the baffling thing being this bloke used to actually build fences for a living. I suppose one look at the state of my fences and gate should quickly convince any doubters as to the quality [or lack thereof] of the PO’s work.

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Check out the benchtop made of two sleepers – rough, not level, and with a nice big gap in the middle to drop nuts and bolts down!

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Shelving on the right built by previous owner – dodgy as. Temp el-cheapo shelving added by me

Behind the garage is a concreted area that once formed an entertaining area. This was once covered by a pergola but for who knows what reason, the PO tore it down. As it stands now, it gives a nice solid area to park the parts car, and realistically could easily have another car back there [don’t encourage me]. Eventually I'd like to reconfigure and recover this area so that I can have a proper entertaining area and an area to park two cars out of the weather…but I'm getting a bit ahead of myself now.

Off to the back left corner of the block, directly visible from the rear roller door, is the small garden shed. Never bothered to measure this because until recently I didn’t feel I had a real use for it other than storing junk – now that its piled full of so much stuff I cant get the lawn mower in, I realize that was a big mistake!

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On top of that there is a fair bit of rubbish left over from the previous owner that I need to contend with. I would’ve already done it, I mean, I even own a ute [pick up]so I can take the rubbish away to the tip! Except, well, it’s a bit of a show pony that cant really carry much because as soon as you put some weight in the back the wheels rub the arches….brilliant, so much for having a practical daily driver. Except theres nothing really practical in the first place about a 6L V8 powered wheel barrow. What can I say, my brain works in bizzare ways.

In terms of intended usage, the garage is my little automotive workshop, somewhere for me to build [and rebuild] my project cars. It’ll also be used to work on the plethora of BMXs my girlfriend and I have somehow amassed. Structurally the building is sound, the concrete smooth and uncracked, with no water ingress from anywhere even in heavy rain. That’s not to say its flawless – its not, it does have its demons which ill do my best to exorcize on my meagre budget in a somewhat futile attempt to make working on the cars easier.

The primary inhabitants are as follows.

My ’78 Holden/Isuzu Gemini [the venerable GM T car] nearing the end of its 3rd rebuild. I will never part ways willingly with this car.

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The girlfriends ’80 Holden/Isuzu Gemini, this was prior to the mrs killing the original engine in spectacular fashion. This one is also under construction at the moment, because I needed another project to work on right?

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My daily driver, referred to my parents as a show pony because it cant actually be used for what it was intend to be used for. Commodore SS 6L 6spd manual.

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And the girls daily, a ’90 Holden Caprice 5L V8

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Bit more to go to bring everything up to current day.

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Nice shop mate :thumbup: What no lions on the gate pillars in fact no front fence in Thomo :lol:

:lol::lol::lol:

Got a genuine laugh out of that. Fortunately the oldies never had the plaster lion on the house in Thommo, and apart from the arched windows, theres no cliche Wog items on the place they built. The best bit though is that, with their house and mine being located in the Blossom Park/Rivergum subsection of Mill Park, there are NO plaster lions, plain concrete driveways or marble staircases in sight :lol:

This also means that no one "waters" their driveway either :lol::lol:
 

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Regarding the car, its been on a few forums but I only really update the one on PF and ozgem now. There may be a different reason you find the Gem familiar though - I recognize the Datto, and the ****** in one of the photos - I believe we share a mutual acquaintance. If you still see Troy, say hi to him from Seki :thumbup:

Probably seen it on PF (I read but don't post). But I do remember your name from back in the day now! Troy has just moved into his place in Mill Park (just off Mill Park Drv) so you might see him around the traps.
 
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Good one andyaus :lol:

Great progress Nick, just remember Rome wasn't built in a day so the lions come after the shed.

Regards

Shoulda ****** named the garage Lions Den ah :lol:

Probably seen it on PF (I read but don't post). But I do remember your name from back in the day now! Troy has just moved into his place in Mill Park (just off Mill Park Drv) so you might see him around the traps.

Would have been when he was building the V6 Panelvan, I was his go-to whenever he needed something haha. Does he still have the black WH stato?

Recognised the cars from PF, well done on the house as well.

Northern suburbs here too, its where the car guys choose to live.

They are all popping out of the woodwork now! Seen you on PF, didnt realize you were local either. This was the place to be, now there are way too many HWP cars about. No more Plenty Road top enders unfortunately :eek:


So, onto the regular program of ranting and raving...

Chapter Three – Where we are now

So, lifes good – you’ve bought yourself a house at 25 [I’m 28 now], you’ve finally finished doing a basic renovation and your on your own, living it up. Until the first bills come in and your so poor the girlfriend needs to pay for dinner. Yeah, that hurts.

I did what everyone else seems to do on here; you have a two car garage because that’s what you think you’ll need, and you fill it very easily. And you suddenly find yourself with a lot more cars than just two [oops], and none of them move very easily because they are all projects [oops again]. That two car garage fits two cars comfortably doesn’t fit them so good when the cars as disassembled. Oops.

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I am by no means a hoarder, in fact im actually quite neat and tidy, except it seems when it comes to the garage and the work bench. It becomes a bomb site. I filled everything up so much so that I find myself working on a tressle table in the back yard. So bad that, on a long weekend recently, I found myself battling to finish installing the stereo on my SS in the driveway because it f*cking kept raining on me – serves me right for filling the garage with **** that doesn’t work or cant be moved easily!

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Somethings got to give.

I thought it was cliché every time Id read on here about how lurking on these forums made the OP realize how inadequate or unorganized their garage was, but I’ve now slowly learnt it couldn’t be truer. My garage is a disaster and while the two cars inside certainly contribute to the slightly unorganized chaos in there, its not good enough to simply use that as an excuse for the state my place is in.

Watching the way people cram Bridgeport mills and lathes in relatively small garages, while still having usable space for the car itself has been impressive, but the ones that have impressed me the most are the single garage guys. I seriously applaud the solutions you guys find to your lack of space. I’ve seen plenty of killer ideas for solving problems, along with logical thought processes not only behind the idea but the way the idea was then implemented. I hope to at least apply some of that to my place.

Some of the problems that need rectifying are easier than others. Some are just a matter of time, others are a matter of money; some are entirely my fault, some not so much. I intend to tackle this by treating the garage in a few stages.

The first stage is I guess the one that should be the cheapest and easiest to implement. I need to go through a big re-organization and get things to a workable compromise, so that I’m not tripping over parts on the way to the light switch. This stage will include the possibility of a new workbench, some more storage, and a stock take/re-storing of the inventory. This latter part will prove to be the most difficult, as I need to actually start re-installing parts on the car for this to happen.

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Prime example of some of the clutter that needs to go back into the cars being in my way….and I haven’t even pulled apart the parts car/autocross car!

The second stage will centre solely around changes and modifications to the garage that will not only aid in the garages usefulness, but its ability to function correctly. Items such as the poorly located light switch will come under scrutiny here, along with items such as the potential replacement of the rear door etc. Not critical stuff [well, except for the power points but more on that later] but stuff that would greatly improve the way I feel about the joint.

The last stage, and the one that will no doubt take the longest, is the more drawn out [and costly] dream garage. This is where I will tackle mainly vanity fuelled cosmetic issues – non essential items, but items that will bring the garage more into line with the standard of builds on here. Things like painting the walls including a feature stripe, epoxy on the floor, painting all the cabinetry to match etc. Items acquired in stage one or two will have to be chosen carefully as I cant really afford to have to continually spend money replacing the same items over and over.

Did I mention I’m doing this on a single income that’s also paying the mortgage while trying to build three cars? Yeah, I’m a man that likes to bite off a lot and start to chewing.

Still a bit more to go till i get up to date. :shocking:

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Never known a Wog to have more than 1 err 2 err 3 unfinished car projects going at once :lol:

Just me but I think this wall needs to have solid parts shelving all along it, that could have doors added later if desired? Paint the brickwork first of course, and depending on how the shelving is built, power points could be added along the front?

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Would have been when he was building the V6 Panelvan, I was his go-to whenever he needed something haha. Does he still have the black WH stato?

Nah sold that a while back and got himself a new Hilux, hasn't looked back. I keep trying to convince him to get another project!

Have you considered adding some roofing/walls to the area behind your garage, making it a kind of extension?
 

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Nice shop mate :thumbup: What no lions on the gate pillars in fact no front fence in Thomo :lol:

I was just thinking that....as I was reading about a Italian/Balkan in Thommo, with Commodores and a Gemini....just FMPSL. all it needs is a white lion and your dad watering the drive in a white singlet during summer. Love it.

Im a ford man myself but well done to you, it all looks like a great base start with.

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I'll be keeping an eye on this.:thumbup:
 
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I wonder if our friends abroad are thinking we’ve lost our marbles with all this talk of plaster lions, kitchenettes and concrete watering. :lol_hitti

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Just me but I think this wall needs to have solid parts shelving all along it, that could have doors added later if desired? Paint the brickwork first of course, and depending on how the shelving is built, power points could be added along the front?

It is [the shelving] something I’ve contemplated, definitely; how I go about it may vary though and the ideas change. Putting doors on the shelving would have the added benefit of closing things up and keeping the mess out of view. The concrete piers are going to be an absolute pain the a*** to work with though, so unfortunately I don’t think off-the-shelf pre-fab solutions are gonna cut it :( I’m a “square” sort of guy – ie if the distance between the two piers is 860, I don’t want a shelf of 800 in there! That would drive me nuts lol Dad did actually bring me some aluminium shelving uprights/horizontals, supposedly so you can build the rack to whatever dimension you require. May have to drag this out and have a look at exactly what hes brought home.

Unfortunately I can’t just paint over the brick work, these bricks are too porous/rough in texture – going to have to render the walls prior to paint but it’s definitely on the cards. I tell myself it’s because it helps with light reflectivity and it made a huge difference in the old boys garage, but the truth is it looks pretty! Our American friends seem to like using plaster for the walls but I’m a bit sceptical as to its longevity, particularly if at some point the yet-unpurchased tool trolley goes sliding into the wall.

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Have you considered adding some roofing/walls to the area behind your garage, making it a kind of extension?

Definitely on the cards dude, there actually WAS a pergola there once upon a time. The neighbour mentioned he [PO] used to keep his XY GT there, and for some inexplicably reason decided to just demolish the pergola and leave everything bare. He even bent the upright supports into the ground! And the ****** things are concreted in! :wtf:

That part will be a considerable time away though, and the actual design and just how much it covers will require some thought. There’s a few different ways I could do the decking/landing from the kitchen, which would basically leave me with the option of parking two cars side by side or two cars nose to tail. Decisions, decisions. Good thing I have no money to do it just yet, along with a million and one other things on my plate first lol.

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I was just thinking that....as I was reading about a Italian/Balkan in Thommo, with Commodores and a Gemini....just FMPSL. all it needs is a white lion and your dad watering the drive in a white singlet during summer. Love it.

Ahhh, see this is where Dad is quite cutting-edge and with the times for an old Maco; whilst he still displays his heritage by only wearing white bonds singlets, he decided when he built his house he would indeed like to integrate more with Australian society – so as a result he has paving all round – NO CONCRETE ANYWHERE! Unbelievable right?!
 
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Chapter 4 – Issues that require resolving

Apparently I ramble too much - wasnt allowed to post all that in one post :eek:

The initial part of this is project will be to improve both the current situation in terms of storage and or neatness, and its ability to function as a working garage. Things tackled now will be items strictly required out of necessity, issues with the garage itself etc - guess we will see how long that lasts before I get carried away and spend money on something stupid!

One of the first problems that needs to be tackled – the non-operative garage door lifter, and the bowed plaster ceiling above it. The door lifter seems to power up fine but just refuses to open the door, no idea why but it just keeps tripping the limit/safety switches. Have turned the door limits to extremes but no response from the motor. A close mate donated an operative/near new door lifter that someone had abandoned so I’ll need to clean this unit up and get it mounted.

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Culprit that needs to go

Just need to clean it up the new motor a bit and source replacement remotes and/or wired opener. Old motor is, well, old and I cant source new remotes from the manufacturer. Having said all this, depends on what the new remote controls cost – it might end up being cheaper to just ****** buy a new one!

The ceiling on the other hand is going to be a word I cant utter on here to fix. At some point the gutter has been blocked and in heavy rainfall [yes it does actually rain in Australia], the gutter has overflowed into the roof and as a result the plaster has swelled and bowed. PO fitted some temporary battons screwed into the trusses, so ill need to fix this one at some point. Have the feeling this bit will be left till later though, as it looks like an absolute pain to fix without removing the tracks for the roller door. At the very least the garage inhabitants will need to be mobile/able to be left outside for the night before I can attempt this one. Have seen a few GJ members do the above roller door storage setup, and this could be a way to “fix” the plaster – if I cant see it, its not there!

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While the ceiling may possibly be a bit of a hazard [for eg if it gets rained on again], the wavy cornices serve no other purpose apart from annoying me. These would be a remove-replace job, probably done at the same time I’d theoretically render the walls.

One cliché that is entirely true about Australia is the heat – Melbourne is known for its “****” weather, and yet our summers average mid to high 30s [celcius] with low 40s on a regular basis. Winter, while it can get cold, is usually low teens. Would love to put AC in there but the cost is more than I can justify at the moment so other options will need to look at in the interim – I have no real need for a heater because if your working, you shouldn’t be cold! This obviously does not apply to places that get sub zero winter temps, or working outside in the rain. Having said all that, we’ve been through a cold snap lately, averaging between 4-6deg Celsius at night so I’ve been made to eat my words a little bit.

Need to check to see if the roof above the garage is insulated – there was a Government funded scheme to insulate houses not long ago, and my house was one of the ones that has been done. However like most well-intentioned but poorly thought out government schemes it was ripe for rorting with the same houses being done twice, some houses not being done properly etc. I Have the suspicion that the roof above my garage has not been done; my parent’s garage on the other hand has been done as its quite cool in there. I will also look at putting polystyrene on the panel door in an effort to reduce heat inside the garage, as that side gets a lot of afternoon sun.

An industrial fan in the top corner of the garage is also being considered, however unsure if this idea will get done as I do a fair bit of body/filler work in the garage, so I’m not sure it’s a great idea to have dust being blown around everywhere.

Both front and rear doors have poor sealing, allowing not only a draft in but an assortment of rubbish to be blown in from either entrance. This should be a relatively simple fix – just replace the bottom rubber on both doors, and a strip of ‘horse hair’ on the top should see that solved. Long term I’d like to actually ditch the rear roller door full stop, and fit a set of doors in its place. Regular aluminium framed glass ones would do the trick, or perhaps two sliding doors fitted to the outside wall. The swing-doors are easier to get a hold of but the downside would be it might be a squeeze opening the door if there is a car parked behind there – the sliding doors, not sure there would be enough space on one side of the house due to the drain pipe. Ill cross that bridge when I come to it I think.

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And this is the result of having a sh*t seal and wind

Ive touched on how the workbench is terrible, but there really is no other way to put it. Id hazard a guess and say PO got lazy and decided he couldn’t be stuffed building the bench in a way where it ran to the edge of the wall, allowing all sorts of assorted rubbish to get caught down here. Massively annoying because you cant really get a broom in there to clean it up.

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As for how to approach the bench, I’m not sure yet. Do I buy a brand new one off the shelf? Do I build one? Out of what, timber or metal? Storage underneath? The whole width or just on the ends? Do I build these out of wood myself or look for steel cabinets and hope I find a few in a usable size? Stand alone or bolted to the wall?

Either way I plan for it to go all the way to the corner – I think the easiest way to achieve this is to screw a 2x4 between the two piers under the window, thus forming a straight wall for the bench to rest up against. One positive of doing it this way would be the ability to let the bench fall short of the brick pier closest to the roller door, allowing me to slot the roller cabinet in next to it. As it stands it JUST falls short and overlaps the door – not such a big deal at the moment, but may possibly be a drama in the future. This way would also mean I wouldn’t have to f*** around cutting the benchtop in the shape of a tetris block.

Another item to go under the microscope early on is the light switch. Seriously, who was the f*****g genius that put that way over there in no-mans land!? Its half between both doors, way along the East wall in the middle of nowhere – marked as SW on the plan. Trying to turn the lights on at night is like trying to negotiate a mine field with a blindfold on, after downing a bottle of scotch – it just doesn’t happen, at least not without activating the object-finding Shin system! Gets old real fast, this does. Common sense says to relocate it close to the rear roller door [or actually keep the garage clear by putting stuff away properly, justsayin] – stands to reason that if your using the front door to enter, the light on the door lifter should be on anyway.

While we are on the topic of electrical, you’ll also note if you’ve looked at the plan drawing that there are two red triangles marked. Your eyes do not deceive you, these are indeed 240V power points. Did I mention they were singles? And that ones on the roof for the garage door motor, leaving you with a WHOPPING ONE POWERPOINT WITH WHICH DO WORK WITH?!

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The rage I feel when I think about this power point is incredible – I have to unplug the radio to use the compressor, or the electric sander etc. Perhaps the house pre-empted that technology advances meant 12-18V cordless power tools would replace your regular corded fare? Who knows, if they did though they neglected to consider you still need to plug the charger somewhere! I will by my guesstimation require at least 5x double points to power items like the radio, the compressor, fridge etc. Fortunately my uncle is a Sparky, and both he and my father work for a local company that builds industrial Switchboards and power systems.

The question will be however, how to run the power cables – while the fuse box is nice, close and easily accessible on the outside west wall, the garage is built entirely of brick….see the problem?
 
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Now, lighting. Remember when I said the lighting at my parents place was terrible? Back then I was relying on 2x single bulb light fixtures, one over each bay. These were usually fitted with a low wattage power saving fluroscent globe, with the output of light being predictably ****. No such issue [or so I thought] with my place – two fluro tube light fixtures, with two tubes in each. Visibility is good, I’d say to myself, when looking at builds on here with a light fitting every half a metre. Why do you need so much light?

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Well. Possibly because when working on something above the bench, like a few days ago, at night, it can at times be difficult to see. Not sure how to go about this one, I don’t feel the need to over-kill the area by having the ceiling-to-lights ratio firmly in the lights favour [although having said that, if I did that I wouldn’t have to fix the plaster on the roof because you wouldn’t be able to see it LOL], but I do need to add some more lights somewhere. One above the bench is an obvious one, as is possibly a bench mounted swivel light [need more powerpoints for this….]. My uncle has a whole heap of fluro light fixtures in his shed that I can have, so this might be an option – maybe one at the foot of each car to aid working on them at night? Not sure yet. Hopefully he hasn’t thrown them out.

The list goes on and on.

So, the forum no happy with me for too much text. I promise from now on things will be shorter :lol:
 

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I ****** hate garage door openers.....they either work or they just **** themselves with no warning. :willy_nil

I've just disabled mine in my existing third world garage, but it son the list to do. Which means I may get it done this weekend or never.

keep the updates coming.
 
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I ****** hate garage door openers.....they either work or they just **** themselves with no warning. :willy_nil

I've just disabled mine in my existing third world garage, but it son the list to do. Which means I may get it done this weekend or never.

keep the updates coming.

Yeah they are a bit like that, I've found though the sectional/panel doors tend to be a fair bit quieter and more reliable when they ARE going vs the roller type. Parents used to have the roller type at their joint, was an unreliable night mare.

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One cliché that is entirely true about Australia is the heat – Melbourne is known for its “****” weather, and yet our summers average mid to high 30s [celcius] with low 40s on a regular basis. Winter, while it can get cold, is usually low teens. Would love to put AC in there but the cost is more than I can justify at the moment so other options will need to look at in the interim – I have no real need for a heater because if your working, you shouldn’t be cold!

So, your probably wondering why im quoting myself - its just to prove how much of a short sighted idiot i am :lol:.

Havent really done much to the garage lately, but have done plenty in[/in] the garage. Have set myself a bit of a target on getting the Gemini done soon so ive been in there most nights fiddling away, trying to cross things off the list without getting hypothermia. How cold is it you ask, Australia is supposed to be warm. Well. This is was taken at 9am.

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The mrs is sitting IN the car hence the open door - you cant see her at all!

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Yes, thats ice on the roof. Was -2 that morning.....at 9am!

So we've had the coldest winter this year in something like the last 15 years. As such, im adding heater of some sort to the garage to-do list now :lol: I actually have a little portable electric heater but given the state [read - MESS] in the garage at the moment, i decided i really didnt need to deal with a fire in there especially given that i STILL havent bought a fire extinguisher.

A few weekends ago the weather was o-k, so i decided to peel myself away from the car and spend some time fixing the shed. The shed itself is just a simple garden tin shed - no power, no windows, no nothing - so the plan is to use this just as as a place for storing garden equiptment and bulkier stuff that doesnt get used as often. As usual, it took the damn thing being in a complete state of disarray before i pulled the trigger and did something about it.

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Do i need to say anything? It was massively cluttered, would trip over things trying to get the lawn mower out, couldnt find anything in there etc. So first step was to empty EVERYTHING out and start again. Amazing how much can be crammed in such a small place - you dont really realize it until its all out in front of you!

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"Converted" my backyard into something akin to a dero "houso" style yard with junk strewn everywhere in long grass. Ok, so it looks terrible - grass isnt actually long its just the edges that are, Dads edge trimmer [called a whipper snipper down in oz] took a **** and wouldnt start. Ive hated that thing since it gave me a swollen lip but thats a story for another day.

Had some company with me while i did this.

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Floor was swept, hosed down then swept again. Amount of concrete dust was INCREDIBLE, couldnt believe it. Would have been nice to have epoxied the floor, not so much for looks just to keep the dust from happening again but deemed it a no time/money for that deal and just left it.

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RHS of the shed is pretty much just for the "in progress" bikes and the lawn mower for the time being. Eventually the bikes will be out, and i plan to keep a whipper snipper and leaf blower there when i eventually get my hands on some plus your usual garden stuff like shovels on that wall.

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LHS scored some el-cheapo tin shelving - bonus points for it actually being made in Australia! Shed is much more usable now, although i will need to measure up the remaining space and see if i can cram another one of those cheap shelving units in there. Have a whole heap of milk crates from work which work well for storing boxes of random stuff in so will need to bring some more of those home.

Whats left? Well ideally id like to tick off and finalize this one completely before I tackle any other projects in the garage like the work bench so i need to get cracking and get the last few things off the list. Bought a rivnut/nutsert tool recently and im thinking i MIGHT be able to whack a few of these into the walls of the shed to mount some holders for the fishing rods? The tin is a bit flimsy but the rods arent exactly heavy so it might be ok. A light of some sort would be good, more research required here though i think as whatever it is will have to be either solar or 12V powered due to not having power to to the shed. Drain pipe next to shed needs to be cut down and capped with a grate, and some pavers infront of the shed wouldnt go astray either. Other than that.....i think im going to declare that one done!

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G'day from Sydney, i love reading fellow Aussies builds they are way more relate-able than the mega US builds. Currently doing up my 2 car so we are on a similar path

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So, its been a while between drinks. To say I have been busy is a bit of an understatement and with it a fair bit has changed. In between a blur of hard work, a few holidays sprinkled in here and there, and getting engaged, I did actually make some progress so there will be pictures; however, ill let you be the judge of exactly how much progress has been made. Last update I tidied up the shed and made it more usable. The garage itself did get some attention however nothing massive due to everything else that was going on.

See here for my attempt at a fancy picture that doesn’t actually show much, apart from the shelving working as intended and the garage itself being a bit more functional and neater, now that the white car had been relocated.

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The bulk of the progress has been outside with some minor changes inside. I wont bore you with the a million photos of hard labour, but the old bloke and I managed to crack in 3 months worth of weekends and after-work sessions, we did/replaced the following: acid washed driveway inc painting epoxy on front landing, new front screen door, changing posts to 4 x 4 square in front of house + adding exposed diagonals [see photos, it will make sense], paving area in front of side gate, making + cladding side gate using left overs from old decking, rebuilding the laundry landing [old one was severely rotted; I fell through it one day], all rear landscaping including tree removal and garden beds, some work on the kitchen landing and of course, paint all external doors, gutters and eaves. This was on top of changing the bench tops to stone in the kitchen a long with a new tap, and caulking all skirting boards to floor.

Which, gave us this.

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At this point, the more observant and astute of you are probably a bit sus and can smell a rat. Theres no way my photography improved so quickly, and all that work inside and out can only mean one thing.

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As of 4am on the 27th of January, 2016, I rolled the garage door down and pulled out of the driveway for the last time.

Truth is, things change, and with it comes the realization that sometimes, its easier to just start over instead of pouring in time and money into something that will never be what you really want it to be. That, along with the rapid increase in property price over the 3 years I owned Mirbelia and the threat the market would soon stall, meant the time to move it on was now.

Unfortunately that also means the short term paint of having to work in a single carport that’s been converted to a garage with ********* lighting at I time when I need to be most productive [I have two cars to complete for my wedding in 10months!!!!] but it could be worse. Long term, it will be worth the pain.

Bring on bigger and better things. And by bigger and better I mean my forthcoming triple garage w/ attached workshop area!

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Congrats on the engagement and the house sale. Will you be staying around the Mill Park area or making the popular move out further to the new estates?
 
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Cute Beagle!

Sorry just saw this. Dont let the eyes fool you, shes an absolute monster :lol: Nah shes not that bad actually. They [Beagles] get a bit of a bad rap for being trouble makers. Shes ok, apart from being incredibly stubborn.

Just awesome, congratulations and thanks for the update.:bowdown:

Looking forward to seeing your triple.:thumbup:

Regards

Thanks mate. You and me both! The process its taking its sweet a** time though! At this rate we will be lucky to break ground by the end of march.

Congrats on the engagement and the house sale. Will you be staying around the Mill Park area or making the popular move out further to the new estates?

Thanks Anth. Actually saw your datto at the NDOC show that i think was in yarra valley? Didnt see you anywhere though. My best mate is part of the NDOC so hes always there [green C110 sedan].

I am still near mill park yes, and it is in a sort-of semi new area. The block is located in Doreen so its just over 7km away from my old house; however, its in Outlook estate which is a few years old now. Basically, we are on the back corner of Doreen; Yan Yean Road is on our rear boundary, so we are basically on the border of Doreen/Yarrambat/Diamond Creek, or the closest corner to the northern suburbs. Not the other end [Bridge Inn Road/Mernda] where all the tiny estates are popping up.

Will need to start a new thread on that one however the f****** builder is taking their time with the tender which, along with random "oh you'll need to pay for this because its an extra" increases, is starting to get annoying, especially considering we went in with a big budget and upgraded everything BEFORE we got to the ****** colour appointments. So dont really have all that much to show at the moment apart from dirt. A lot of dirt. :lol:

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Greetings!

Your home is beautiful and very well done!! The garage looks very comfortable to work in and has many nice features included. I really like the style of the entire home and the way you have it decorated and set up. Thanks for posting it, I think it is very well laid out, and the hardwood floors are also beautiful.

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