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look very similar. take a look, both claim "400% better grip".. the 10 piece set of dewalt non-ratcheting combo wrenches are on sale at my sears for $24.. no skip sizes.. normally $60

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http://professional-power-tool-guide.com/2013/03/proto-anti-slip-design-combo-wrenches-revie/

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http://www.coptool.com/dewalt-mechanic-hand-tools-complete-sets/

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dewalt- (i tired taking a picture of my own but the reflection off the chrome does not cooperate. got this pic online. the grips on mine look identical to the proto)
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dewalt vs craftsman - (also not my picture)
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are we comparing USA Proto vs. China Dewalt?

if so I would say no comparison...
 
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they are both owned by Stanley, so thinking the design may have been pulled from proto??
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I agree. The Dewalts are basically a Taiwan made version of the PROTO ASDs. I picked up a set of Dewalts on sale AT SEARS last Christmas for about $30. They're not bad wrenches. The only thing I don't like about them is that there isn't any open stock available to add sizes to the basic 10-19 mm set. In addition to the modified open end, the box end also features off corner engagement. On sale, I think they're a good deal.
On a side note, there's also a Bostich branded version seen at some wal marts.
 
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I agree. The Dewalts are basically a Taiwan made version of the PROTO ASDs. I picked up a set of Dewalts on sale AT SEARS last Christmas for about $30. They're not bad wrenches. The only thing I don't like about them is that there isn't any open stock available to add sizes to the basic 10-19 mm set. In addition to the modified open end, the box end also features off corner engagement. On sale, I think they're a good deal.
On a side note, there's also a Bostich branded version seen at some wal marts.
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I know dewalt isn't exactly thought of as mechanics tools but I would love to see them expand this line. Everything I have bought has been top notch.
 
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I know dewalt isn't exactly thought of as mechanics tools but I would love to see them expand this line. Everything I have bought has been top notch.
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I'm also drinking the DeWalt kool aid, very good stuff for the money. Anyone know if the Bostitch is made in Taiwan or China?
 
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I'm also drinking the DeWalt kool aid, very good stuff for the money. Anyone know if the Bostitch is made in Taiwan or China?
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The Bostitch version is made in China. I have both the Dewalt and Bostitch (bought the metric set of the Bostitch to see what the difference is) comb. wrenches. The Dewalt's are much better in quality.
 
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The Bostitch version is made in China. I have both the Dewalt and Bostitch (bought the metric set of the Bostitch to see what the difference is) comb. wrenches. The Dewalt's are much better in quality.
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Thanks, are they full polish?
 
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one more thing i noticed.. the non ratching wrenches are longer, but i had these two next to each other on a table.. the first 2 pics, there is another wrench under the one on top.. they are stacked on top of each other, you can see each at the closed end. just thought it was interesting..

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hard to tell with the shine on the chrome, but they are the same thickness, even on the handles with the exception of the raised panel on the USA Craftsman.

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I am not following exactly but add 2 cents here. I doubt they use the same die, I bet Stanley has one, a competitor 1 or 2 that punch out 90% of the wrenches and they get rebranded from there. Some of the clones even at the fleas are so good if you engraved it in a different name and a box with a logo a guy couldn't tell the difference.
 
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Some of the adjustables we have seen are finished super well except where they were ready to stamp a brand name. You can tell a few in old HF where they must have battered the contractor to skimp on polish for them but we see some they don't even bother to try to cheapen. Same wrench as one vended at 30$ at a welding store, 24 at Napa or ATD, under 20 at Lowes and at 12 at a flea in a white box with an ink stamp on the handle that says China.
 
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You can't compare Dewalt to Proto.. No comparison.. Lol
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You can't compare Dewalt to Proto.. No comparison.. Lol
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The open end on my dewalt wrench is already marred after only one use. I was very pleased up until that incident, but they also want you to send the tool into them for warranty. I was under the impression that all you had to do was call and they sent out a new one?
 
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The open end on my dewalt wrench is already marred after only one use. I was very pleased up until that incident, but they also want you to send the tool into them for warranty. I was under the impression that all you had to do was call and they sent out a new one?
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While they may look similar (Proto, Dewalt, & Bostich), they are not the same by any means.

Proto ASD (Chrome....not the black ones) are made in the USA & uses a different chroming process (does not splinter....which is needed in aviation especially), as well as a different steel than is used overseas. Specifically, they do not ship 1/2 the order of steel to Taiwan & the other half to Texas......not going to happen.

Dewalt & Bostich ARE very similar.....not only in design, but also price. I do not know if they are made in the same factory, but neither are US made or are up to the same standards as Proto.

I think SBD's problem with the 3 versions, is the fact that they did make them look similar.....which in turn is making some people think that they are the same. They should have mixed it up a bit better ---- just like the Proto Duratek screwdrivers VS the Mac versions.....they are not the same (different sizes & hex bolsters, etc).
 
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In regard to the Dewalt non-ratcheting anti-slip wrenches being long-pattern:

Can anyone take measurements for me? I've tried looking up this information on the web, and it's tough to find the OAL measurements for the wrenches. I've found the specs at CPO and on the Dewalt site, but for the 10-piece SAE combination wrench set # DWMT72167 they only list NINE lengths. With one measturement missing it's not possible to know how long these wrenches really are. I'm looking for a new long-pattern set, but looking at the numbers, these don't seem to be any longer than my old USA Craftsman wrenches.

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http://www.dewalt.com/tools/hand-tools-mechanics-tools-mechanics-tool-sets-dwmt72167.aspx
 
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Don't have exact lengths, but they are certainly longer than craftsman raised panel.
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ARE YOU SURE ON THAT?

Maybe more so at the short lengths than the long lengths. My CMAN SAE raised panels start off short and the small sizes and get *very long* at the large sizes. The Dewalts look like they start off long on the small sizes, and don't get as long at the same rate as the CMAN.

Example:
CMAN 3/8 = 5.25"
CMAN 7/8 = 10.75" or 2.04x as long

Dewalt short measurement: 6.5"
Dewalt longest measurement: 10.75" or 1.65x as long

Look at this picture -- the Dewalts don't double in length from one end to the other. That means that they're long at the short end and relatively short at the long end. I'm not saying that being long at the short end isn't useful, but saying they're all "long pattern" sounds like it may be stretching the truth a bit. It certainly looks like the short wrenches are "long pattern" compared to CMAN, but by the time they get to the larger sizes wrenches they're no different than CMAN.

This means that someone who's looking for true long pattern wrenches to provide some extra torque might be happy at the short end (where you don't really need it) but disappointed at the long end (where it matters most).


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I dont think they ship the steel to Texas unless I goes thru the Walmart first. We got a couple forge companies makes most the USA wrenches, they prolly gota couple companies do the same and they got some new mills, can make any level they want. There is probably some China Snao elite versions and a slew of those under that vended under various brands.
I think there is a lot of tools being built to a world standard and sold where they can get the most money. I think the Performax sander and the Riged one are exactly the same in a different box as is the Dewalt for the most part cept for the Ford Chevy thing. Fein,,,, a little different, Metabo moved closer to DeWalt than Fein.
 
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My 19 dewalt is longer than my 19 snappy
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You brought up CMAN raised panel wrenches and said the Dewalts were longer. The Dewalt specifications data shows that isn't true for the SAE set -- they are only longer at the short end.

When I pointed out that the measurements refute the claim that the Dewalt "long pattern" wrenches are longer than the CMAN raised panel SAE set, you responded by introducing irrelevant information about comparing your 19 Dewalt to a 19 Snappy. That's a red herring.

Everyone who's used a CMAN raised panel knows that the length ratio is smaller on MM wrenches than on the SAE wrenches. The SAE set gets a LOT longer at the long end than the MM set. Everyone knows that the CMAN raised-panel wrenches get pretty long at the bigger end of the size range. My point is that the Dewalts don't appear to do that. At least not the SAE kit.

Of course, we still have missing data because it isn't clear that which Dewalt wrenches are which size, because they listed 9 different lengths for a 10-piece set. It would help to know the real lengths of the 10 dewalt wrenches.

I'm thinking that the Dewalt set might not be such a great buy for someone who wants true long pattern wrenches, as in something that's longer than a CMAN SAE set. They'll only get "long pattern" wrenches in the small sizes where long pattern doesn't help all that much, and they'll get standard lengths in the larger sizes instead of getting something longer. at least that's what the numbers suggest.

If nobody knows the answer on length I might just have to order the MM and SAE sets to find out. Realistically speaking, I'm probably better off buying a true long pattern set from Snappy. At least I'll get true long pattern that way.
 
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A lot of Cheap tools are quite well finished today, those Dewalts make Cman look like POS no matter what century they were made and my bet is they fit as good or better and are as strong.
Making good steel is so much cheaper today and it reduces the need for a lot of inventory when you can make it al pretty good and put a better warranty and a different box from a different store,,, still a Stanly wrench.
I bet the SK factory yanks blanks right off the line and sells them to other vendors, they refined it to a science now.
 
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2 wrenches here, both Cman, both USA, the old one is a spittin image of an old SK die if I am not mistaken. I got a few old SK, some of the new might be nicer but they never impressed me all that much as a wrench.
Today the Tekon or wtf it is can be doctored to be as good as a human could tell, little extra chrome and it would pass for premium and it already works like it. You could faithfully badge it any way you wanted with confidence and would cost but a pinch to warranty.
 

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ARE YOU SURE ON THAT?

Maybe more so at the short lengths than the long lengths. My CMAN SAE raised panels start off short and the small sizes and get *very long* at the large sizes. The Dewalts look like they start off long on the small sizes, and don't get as long at the same rate as the CMAN.

Example:
CMAN 3/8 = 5.25"
CMAN 7/8 = 10.75" or 2.04x as long

Dewalt short measurement: 6.5"
Dewalt longest measurement: 10.75" or 1.65x as long

Look at this picture -- the Dewalts don't double in length from one end to the other. That means..............


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The orange box is twice as tall as the red box....I don't care enough to do more than draw a few boxes with my finger on my small tablet in MS Paint and yes the Dealt set does go to 15/16, but the 7/8 next to it is a lot closer to twice as long as it is 1.6 times.
 

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The orange box is twice as tall as the red box....I don't care enough to do more than draw a few boxes with my finger on my small tablet in MS Paint and yes the Dealt set does go to 15/16, but the 7/8 next to it is a lot closer to twice as long as it is 1.6 times.
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^^^That's a pretty lazy way to generate inaccurate numbers and to draw false conclusions.

Evidently, you don't care enough to be accurate. Your colored boxes don't even line up with the ends of the tools.

I used the manufacturer's specified numbers from the specifications page for the kit. You can eyeball it and draw boxes that don't coincide with the actual length of the tools if you want to, but the ratio of the manufacturer's numbers doesn't lie the way that crappily drawn pictures can lie:

Longest Dewalt SAE wrench = 10.75"
Shortest Dewalt SAE wrench = 6.50"

10.75" / 6.50" = 1.65
 
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The Dewalt metric combination wrenches Measure:

10mm=6.5 inches long overall
11mm=7.25
12mm=7.625
13mm=8.0
14mm=8.6875
15mm=9.0625
16mm=9.50
17mm=10.25
18mm=10.50
19mm=11.00

Did I mention that they have nice beams?

No one should think that they're getting Prptp when buying Dewalt just like no one buying Williams is getting Snap on. :lol:

But for less than $30 on sale for 10 long pattern wrenches, they're not a bad deal. :beer:

Tools that are used get scratched, just like mechanics cut their hands often without knowing it until brake clean hits it, and old people have wrinkles. call it patina. Tools aren't jewelry. they're tools meant to be used and fix ****. :dunno:
 
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