Spin Wrench The worlds stress free wrench!

TheSpinWrench · Sep 29, 2015

i developed a tool called The Spin Wrench for extremely tight spots. We have designed the wrench for over a year and have come up with a great product. To all my tool lovers would you use this? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/902563778/the-spin-wrench-worlds-most-efficient-tool

AA/FC · Sep 29, 2015

Interesting. :headscrat

Farmall 1066 · Sep 29, 2015

Neat concept, but what do you do when the fastener doesn't free spin, such as on rusted threads, or ones with sealer or Loctite applied? How do you use this to break loose fasteners?
I appreciate your innovation, but in 20+ years turning wrenches, I haven't seen a situation where your tool would be ideal. Just my honest opinion.
Best of luck, and I sincerely hope you do well with it.

TheSpinWrench · Sep 29, 2015

Good question. We use a super strong 200 lb braided fishing line. we have tested this on many cars in the junk yard. you still have to use a conventional wrench to break bolt or nut free but once that is done you put the spin wrench on and spin wrench does the rest

It is a big time saver. also there is a magnet on the socket so once bolt or nut is removed, the bolt or nut stays in the socket and not on the floor or the engine lol

TheSpinWrench · Sep 29, 2015

Farmall 1066 said:
Neat concept, but what do you do when the fastener doesn't free spin, such as on rusted threads, or ones with sealer or Loctite applied? How do you use this to break loose fasteners?
I appreciate your innovation, but in 20+ years turning wrenches, I haven't seen a situation where your tool would be ideal. Just my honest opinion.
Best of luck, and I sincerely hope you do well with it.

Thank you a cherish your input. I invented this when I was working on an alternator in my own car and had to take out a couple hoses and parts just to get into the bolt. on top of that i was working on bolt for about 30 minutes and only a centimeter was out! so i had the idea of wrapping a string around the bolt and gave it opposing tension as i pulled string up it spun out and also spun back in.

General Geoff · Sep 29, 2015

I think you're onto something, but your idea needs to be able to break loose old, rusted fasteners. Otherwise, it's faster to just use the ratchet that's already on it to get it the rest of the way off, 99% of the time.

Professional mechanics use impact wrenches, extensions and swivel sockets to zip bolts off that are hard to reach. The only way your tool will gain widespread success and acclaim is if it can be used on its own, where a traditional drive tool cannot be used at all.

edit: I'm thinking if you could incorporate a thin but strong steel rod that could be attached to the side of your socket, a hammer could be used to strike the other end of the rod and impact the fastener loose. That feature could make this a real winner.

TheSpinWrench · Sep 29, 2015

General Geoff said:
I think you're onto something, but your idea needs to be able to break loose old, rusted fasteners. Otherwise, it's faster to just use the ratchet that's already on it to get it the rest of the way off.

Professional mechanics use impact wrenches, extensions and swivel sockets to zip bolts off that are hard to reach. The only way your tool will gain widespread success and acclaim is if it can be used on its own, where a traditional drive tool cannot be used at all.

Thank you for your input!

we are currently trying to make that possible. The problem we face is finding wire or line thin enough to break 380 inch pounds. the wrench works like a yoyo. once you break nut or bolt you apply and it takes it out quicker than any drill can except an impact wrench. Also the problem we faced with other swivel head ratchet designs is how bug the sockets are. we have tried a lot out and we took all of that in consideration. what we got is a hollowed socket only a quarter of an inch wide. Again thank you for your input. Do you have any ideas on tough string?

General Geoff · Sep 29, 2015

If you want some heroically tough line, look into Amsteel Blue.

7/64" Amsteel Blue line is 1600lbs tensile.

jeremy v · Sep 29, 2015

Interesting concept, but my biggest concern would be how large in diameter the head of it is. I have a hard time even getting a ratcheting box wrench over a fastener on a semi-regular basis and that looks noticeably larger.

TheSpinWrench · Sep 29, 2015

jeremy v said:
Interesting concept, but my biggest concern would be how large in diameter the head of it is. I have a hard time even getting a ratcheting box wrench over a fastener on a semi-regular basis and that looks noticeably larger.

good point. the spin wrench cannot get into a hole where a ratchet can. any other bolt or nut it will take out with ease. We are currently ironing out all of it kinks and we are designing a couple other tools right now that use the same concept. this is mainly for your average DIY who might not have the patience a mechanic has

Whats interesting is that As Seen On TV is taking interest but we really would like to make this our company cause they dont have the same vision as we do in making working on things much easier

TheSpinWrench · Sep 29, 2015

General Geoff said:
If you want some heroically tough line, look into Amsteel Blue.

7/64" Amsteel Blue line is 1600lbs tensile.

We will try that out

thank you for your input i really do appreciate it.

DieselJH · Sep 29, 2015

How about incorporating a magnetic drive end so different size sockets can be used on the same tool? Or maybe a pass through socket/drive design to keep it low profile.

It's definitely a neat idea.

TheSpinWrench · Sep 29, 2015

DieselJH said:
How about incorporating a magnetic drive end so different size sockets can be used on the same tool? Or maybe a pass through socket/drive design to keep it low profile.

It's definitely a neat idea.

Thank you! That is pretty much what it is. The extension wand helps place it then after it is placed you remove wand. Magnet sticks to bolt or nut and as you pull the nut/bolt undoes its self, once out the bolt/nut stays in the socket. we use a tiny robot magnet so it is impossible for the nut to fall out and into an engine or down a pipe.

1950mercury · Sep 29, 2015

What are these going to cost?

DieselJH · Sep 29, 2015

does the spin wrench have the ability to be able to remove multiple size fasteners or use different size sockets on the same wrench? Or would you have to have multiple wrenches to remove a 9/16 bolt then a 13mm nut?

TheSpinWrench · Sep 29, 2015

1950mercury said:
What are these going to cost?

here is our kickstarter page we have a couple different options
a full set with 10 sockets is 60$
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/902563778/the-spin-wrench-worlds-most-efficient-tool

TheSpinWrench · Sep 29, 2015

DieselJH said:
does the spin wrench have the ability to be able to remove multiple size fasteners? Or would you have to have multiple wrenches to remove a 9/16 bolt then a 13mm nut?

yes you would have to use a different one. our socket sets come in metric or SAE we provide 10 sockets (8mm-17mm) welding rings and quad braided line

Mikerodrig27 · Sep 29, 2015

Maybe you could incorporate a slide hammer on the string to impact the nut loose. You would have to have some type of string or wire that wouldn't stretch.

gungatim · Sep 29, 2015

I fail to see what problem it solves better than other tools out there. add the complexity and time consuming aspect to it, not to mention threading a needle with mechanic hands and I can assure you it's a pass for me...not trying to rain on your parade but I just don't see the value proposition.

VictorBravo · Sep 29, 2015

gungatim said:
I fail to see what problem it solves better than other tools out there. add the complexity and time consuming aspect to it, not to mention threading a needle with mechanic hands and I can assure you it's a pass for me...not trying to rain on your parade but I just don't see the value proposition.

Following this line of thought, consider how fast the market for cordless powered ratchets has grown. Having gotten one a year ago, I'd reach for that over the string pull every time. It's easy to put into position and doesn't need rewinding.

Stooge · Sep 29, 2015

But the future is here!...wildly inefficient and doesn't satisfy a job from start to finish :lol_hitti

not being able to break anything loose and needing to utilize another tool that you need to fit in the same area to break a fastener free, swap tools, wind a fishing line around a spool, and fish it over a nut that seemingly can not be threaded over too long of a bolt/ many exposed threads , ( would trying to remove a bolt that has to come up from a hole cause the loop or bolt to bind?) seems like a lot of wasted effort to go out of your way just to use it.

flex head ratcheting wrenches or socket extensions seem to solve all of the Cube fasteners

finn · Sep 29, 2015

I'll be the first to tell you that your baby is ugly.

Maybe Bob Vila can help with marketing.

iScream · Sep 29, 2015

I can see a few cases where these would be handy. Spinning the nuts on while assembling my HF tool cart recently is a good example.

But I'll be honest with you and tell you that I'm probably going to play around with making my own in a few limited sizes. I've got a set of Husky ratcheting wrenches my step dad gave me a few years ago which are still in the sealed package. Gonna take them apart and see what I can come up with. Not to sell, of course, just for my use at home.

But how many people would actually make their own if there is a reasonably priced product out there?

I think you're going the wrong direction by trying to improve the quality and solving the problem of breaking loose fasteners. You should think about making a version out of decent plastic and selling millions of them for a few dollars a set. If something like that was available right now I would probably buy a set for stuff like my tool cart example.

As far as pledging money, there are many, many good ideas shared with the community here on GJ, for free. I do wish you well but won't be pledging money.

Chris

TheSpinWrench · Sep 29, 2015

gungatim said:
I fail to see what problem it solves better than other tools out there. add the complexity and time consuming aspect to it, not to mention threading a needle with mechanic hands and I can assure you it's a pass for me...not trying to rain on your parade but I just don't see the value proposition.

we appreciate your input thanks

TheSpinWrench · Sep 29, 2015

Stooge said:
But the future is here!...wildly inefficient and doesn't satisfy a job from start to finish

not being able to break anything loose and needing to utilize another tool that you need to fit in the same area to break a fastener free, swap tools, wind a fishing line around a spool, and fish it over a nut that seemingly can not be threaded over too long of a bolt/ many exposed threads , ( would trying to remove a bolt that has to come up from a hole cause the loop or bolt to bind?) seems like a lot of wasted effort to go out of your way just to use it.

flex head ratcheting wrenches or socket extensions seem to solve all of the Cube fasteners

thank you for our input. the socket is hollow so long bolts are not a problem, we have tried it with locktite bolts, rusty bolts and it never binds. let me ask you this how long would it take to take out a bolt in the most limited of spaces with a rtchet or box end wrench with maybe 5 to 10 degrees of access

TheSpinWrench · Sep 29, 2015

Adam.C said:
This is a terrible idea. And you've failed design 101. Step 1, do the systems engineering piece. What requirement are you trying to meet, what problem are you solving, who is impacted, who needs this, who wants it?

When I need to spin stuff fast I put a gun on it. There is almost never a time when i have long threads and can't put a gun on it and wish I had this. If I was in that boat, I would set up a stubby ratchet or a 1/4" drive ratchet.

What happens to a nut when it flies off the stud? Is it lost? Or does that socket retain it? Or have you even given this that much thought?

Design is not "eureka, I just got a brain fart idea!" That's modern art. Design is solving a problem, meeting requirements. Form follows function is PART of good design. Form follows function, process, materials, requirements, expectations...

If you are real designers, you wont give up. Turn. Take this lesson and try something else. Your design mentor model should be Edison, not Wiley E Coyote*.

Edison was an idea developer
Wiley E Coyote comes up with one idea, encounters a problem and scraps the first idea 100% only to encounter another unforseen problem. Shocking how many designers think this is how design works.

I appreciate your input. actually we have several buisness interested including snap on. We are just trying to see if we can fund the idea our selves. Also this wrench IS NOT MEANT FOR EVERYDAY USE. It is for extremely tight spots. Yes the wrench will hold the bolt or nut, yes the string wont break if you use a pipe as a pull point. Also the creators of this are a process engineer at intel and a lead airplane mechanic by the way. We hope you have a great day daffy duck

TheSpinWrench · Sep 29, 2015

iScream said:
I can see a few cases where these would be handy. Spinning the nuts on while assembling my HF tool cart recently is a good example.

But I'll be honest with you and tell you that I'm probably going to play around with making my own in a few limited sizes. I've got a set of Husky ratcheting wrenches my step dad gave me a few years ago which are still in the sealed package. Gonna take them apart and see what I can come up with. Not to sell, of course, just for my use at home.

But how many people would actually make their own if there is a reasonably priced product out there?

I think you're going the wrong direction by trying to improve the quality and solving the problem of breaking loose fasteners. You should think about making a version out of decent plastic and selling millions of them for a few dollars a set. If something like that was available right now I would probably buy a set for stuff like my tool cart example.

As far as pledging money, there are many, many good ideas shared with the community here on GJ, for free. I do wish you well but won't be pledging money.

Chris

hey thank you so much
yeah have fun! with making your own. and you have a very good point. thank you

TheSpinWrench · Sep 29, 2015

finn said:
I'll be the first to tell you that your baby is ugly.

Maybe Bob Vila can help with marketing.

TheSpinWrench · Sep 29, 2015

gungatim said:
I fail to see what problem it solves better than other tools out there. add the complexity and time consuming aspect to it, not to mention threading a needle with mechanic hands and I can assure you it's a pass for me...not trying to rain on your parade but I just don't see the value proposition.

it is for extremely tight spaces not where you can use a ratchet or a wrench effectivly

PelicanPines · Sep 29, 2015

Yea, cute... but no. The width is way too large to make it usable in tight places. Nuts are usually not sooo hidden with such great space around them to allow this to fit in ... AFTER ... you got something in there to break it free.

It could be of use in appliance repair... some of those fasteners are hard to reach etc and are not torqued down or rusted over as much as the automobile industry.

valentine · Sep 29, 2015

I love to see people working on new ideas and I believe that this tool might have some applications. However, I also believe that those applications would be extremely limited and most resourceful mechanics would be able to solve access problems with other tools which they already have on hand. In other words, I don't believe you'll sell enough of these things to keep you in business for very long. Coincidently, I took a look at your crowd funding page and am curious about why you need so much $$$ to develop, produce and market what appears to be a very simple device. I'm thinking a hungry machine shop would whack out a bunch of those things for cheap.

-Valentine

90zcar · Sep 29, 2015

I don't see how this is solving anything that your normal high tooth count ratcheting wrench can't remove. A lot of those areas you showed...a simple 10 dollar air ratchet from harbor freight could have gotten off.
Sorry but it just seems like a gimmicky idea that would be on a late night TV ad for the average Joe blow or a $10 Black Friday special at the checkout line at Sears.
I'm sure I'm sounding like a **** but you are going to hear way worse if you continue to go through with this. Especially from people who you are going to need to help you.
Best of luck but you are just trying to re-invent the wheel and I wish I could give you some pointers but I cant

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TheSpinWrench · Sep 29, 2015

PelicanPines said:
Yea, cute... but no. The width is way too large to make it usable in tight places. Nuts are usually not sooo hidden with such great space around them to allow this to fit in ... AFTER ... you got something in there to break it free.

It could be of use in appliance repair... some of those fasteners are hard to reach etc and are not torqued down or rusted over as much as the automobile industry.

yeah i think i should clarify is that this is a tool for your average DIY who assembles Play sets and fixes things around the house. It can however be used to finish taking out a nut that has limited access.

This tool is not meant for a master mechanic. or a shop

TheSpinWrench · Sep 29, 2015

valentine said:
I love to see people working on new ideas and I believe that this tool might have some applications. However, I also believe that those applications would be extremely limited and most resourceful mechanics would be able to solve access problems with other tools which they already have on hand. In other words, I don't believe you'll sell enough of these things to keep you in business for very long. Coincidently, I took a look at your crowd funding page and am curious about why you need so much $$$ to develop, produce and market what appears to be a very simple device. I'm thinking a hungry machine shop would whack out a bunch of those things for cheap.

-Valentine

Thank you so much! yes we are asking for a lot for trade shows, facility, marketing, and it might not work out but that is ok. allstar products (as seen on tv) and snap on tools have shown interest. We would like to make this OUR product but we will sell if the kickstarter doesn't come through. also the line we use is expensive and so is the magnets. they are robot magnets

TheSpinWrench · Sep 29, 2015

90zcar said:
I don't see how this is solving anything that your normal high tooth count ratcheting wrench can't remove. A lot of those areas you showed...a simple 10 dollar air ratchet from harbor freight could have gotten off.
Sorry but it just seems like a gimmicky idea that would be on a late night TV ad for the average Joe blow or a $10 Black Friday special at the checkout line at Sears.
I'm sure I'm sounding like a **** but you are going to hear way worse if you continue to go through with this. Especially from people who you are going to need to help you.
Best of luck but you are just trying to re-invent the wheel and I wish I could give you some pointers but I cant

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thank you so much we appreciate your input

guy48065 · Sep 29, 2015

"Spin Wrench"...sorry but the name evokes a different type of gimmicky tool. The kind where you twist the handle and a gear head rotates the socket.
Zip Wrench
Tangent Wrench
Rip Wrench (or Ripcord Wrench)

These names put an image in ones mind that's closer to the actual function.
Of course if they're taken--oh well. But if you use one of these you owe me!

winlinmac · Sep 29, 2015

Interesting approach, seems like it would still require a torque wrench though after placing in the fastener. How about when removing a rusty or hard-to-remove bolt? A little concerned over the tool getting snapped somewhere along the process.

gungatim · Sep 29, 2015

TheSpinWrench said:
yeah i think i should clarify is that this is a tool for your average DIY who assembles Play sets and fixes things around the house. It can however be used to finish taking out a nut that has limited access.

This tool is not meant for a master mechanic. or a shop

then maybe the gardenweb forums are a better place to pimp your product than the garage journal...just sayin'...

TheSpinWrench · Sep 29, 2015

guy48065 said:
"Spin Wrench"...sorry but the name evokes a different type of gimmicky tool. The kind where you twist the handle and a gear head rotates the socket.
Zip Wrench
Tangent Wrench
Rip Wrench (or Ripcord Wrench)

These names put an image in ones mind that's closer to the actual function.
Of course if they're taken--oh well. But if you use one of these you owe me!

HAHA yeah we wanted to use the zip wrench but it was already used

your other names are pretty cool as well. we appreciate your input

TheSpinWrench · Sep 29, 2015

winlinmac said:
Interesting approach, seems like it would still require a torque wrench though after placing in the fastener. How about when removing a rusty or hard-to-remove bolt? A little concerned over the tool getting snapped somewhere along the process.

We have tried numerous strings, wires, and lines. what we are using is a quad braided 200 lb test fishing line that doesnt stretch. we have tried it on many cars in the junk yard. once you break free the bolt or nut the spin wrench will rip it out even in the most grimmy situations. The spin wrench also never binds believe it or not!

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