For you home machinist.....machine lighting

Kevin54 · Oct 27, 2015

For you guys that have mills and lathes and have a machine light up so you can see your work.......last week I was at HD and saw a display for LED lights called LED Brite Stik. They come in a pack of three for something like $11. I bought a pack to try. I put it in the lamp on the end table and I hated it. Cold and not very bright. I needed a lamp for my shop light. Currently I have a CFL on my lathe, and the CFL just doesn't kick out the light. I put in a brite stik, and it's a world of difference. Nice and bright, and white. Plus it is in a plastic housing, so nothing to shatter if hit.

Just sharing what I found. :thumbup:

nine4gmc · Oct 27, 2015

I'll have to check those out, thanks!

kkroger · Oct 27, 2015

I am really digging the LED Lights from Walmart, I have found them to be brighter than even Halogens and product cleaner light... I have been swapping them like a madman!

NUTTSGT · Oct 27, 2015

I like those LED Brite Stiks. I bought two packs of them for above the bathroom sink which takes 5 bulbs. IIRC, I bought the Soft White versions but they also have Daylights.

I thought about buying another two packs for the house garage lights to replace the incadescents.

EDIT: Just noticed in the HD ad online, my local store has them listed for $9.97/3 pack.

LuckyEddie · Oct 28, 2015

I put one of the Walmart LED's in the grinder/wire wheel two months ago and it is still going strong. Much better at surviving vibration than even rough service bulbs.

creativecars · Oct 28, 2015

Thanks Kevin, I am currently looking for a light/fixture that I can use for my drill press, grinder and bandsaw. Any ideas? These bulbs seem to be the ticket once I find a light fixture.

Craptain · Oct 29, 2015

My machine lights use the "Appliance" size (small) bulbs. Do these fit? If so I will be getting some today.

Kevin54 · Oct 29, 2015

creativecars said:
Thanks Kevin, I am currently looking for a light/fixture that I can use for my drill press, grinder and bandsaw. Any ideas? These bulbs seem to be the ticket once I find a light fixture.

On my lathe, I just have a clip on light from WallyWorld. I have it clipped on the conduit that runs to the lathe. It was only a few bucks at WalMart, but you can probably pick one up almost anywhere for less than a $10 bill.

Craptain said:
My machine lights use the "Appliance" size (small) bulbs. Do these fit? If so I will be getting some today.

The Brite Stik replaces a regular incandescent bulb that has the regular sized base.

Kevin54 · Oct 29, 2015

What I find hard to get used to, and I have the daylight bulb, is the white light vs. the yellowish light that a regular incandescent light puts out. But for working on a machine, the white light output is great. I'm going to pick up some more and put them in my track lighting that I have in the one bay of my garage, and in another few key areas. IIRC, and I don't have the package now, but I think it stated that the bulb only cost something like $1.37/year to operate. Maybe NUTTS still has a package around and can verify the price.

Another thing also is that the bulb itself, or I should say the plastic housing produces no heat. The base does get warm, but not too hot to where you can't touch it. Unlike a regular incandescent that gets so hot that you have to leave it off to cool down. I forget how many hours they say the Brite Stik is good for, but it is a few thousand IIRC.

I looked it up and here are the specs on the Brite Stik: http://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-60W-E...tik-light-bulb-3-Pack-LED10S3-5K-96/205783755

PRODUCT OVERVIEW

Model # LED10S3/5K/96 Internet # 205783755 Store SKU # 1001222947

Lamps come in many sizes and shapes, and so should light bulbs. Our new cylindrical-shaped LED Bright Stik was designed to fit even more sockets than ordinary bulbs. It is the ideal choice affordable LED light bulb that delivers instant brightness for any room in your house, while saving you 6 dollars a year, for each fixture. And will keep on doing just that for the next 13.7 years at 3 hours/day. That’s a long time you can spend not worrying about light bulbs.
•Brightness: 760 lumens
•Estimated yearly energy cost: $1.20 (based on 3 hours/day, 11 Cent/kWh cost depends on rates and use)
•Life: 13.7 years (based on 3 hours/day)
•Light appearance: 5000K (daylight)
•Energy used: 10-Watt (equivalent to a 60-Watt standard incandescent light bulb)
•Lumens per watt: 76
•Uses 83% less energy compared to a standard incandescent light bulb
•Sleek, compact size makes the bright stick ideal for use in table lamps, sconces and open fixtures
•Instant on and full brightness
•$82 in energy savings over the life of the bulb
•Mercury-free
•Non-Dimmable

Spudland_Dave · Oct 29, 2015

Kevin54 said:
For you guys that have mills and lathes and have a machine light up so you can see your work.......last week I was at HD and saw a display for LED lights called LED Brite Stik. They come in a pack of three for something like $11. I bought a pack to try. I put it in the lamp on the end table and I hated it. Cold and not very bright.

Cold - Yes
Bright - Very

Did you get the 60W equivalent ones? I've seen the 60's and 40's in my store, along with Daylight & Cool White Versions... I've got 3 of the 60w Daylight ones in our vanity...love em. I would buy more but for some reason the subsidy on that particular model isn't that great (program here in Maine which subsidizes CFL & LED Bulbs at the point of purchase)...I can get various Cree and other branded LED for 3-4 bucks, typical 4 pack of CFL's can be had for less then 2.00 here..so 3 bulbs for 11 bucks was steep for me..

Kevin54 · Oct 29, 2015

Spudland_Dave said:
Cold - Yes
Bright - Very

Did you get the 60W equivalent ones? I've seen the 60's and 40's in my store, along with Daylight & Cool White Versions... I've got 3 of the 60w Daylight ones in our vanity...love em. I would buy more but for some reason the subsidy on that particular model isn't that great (program here in Maine which subsidizes CFL & LED Bulbs at the point of purchase)...I can get various Cree and other branded LED for 3-4 bucks, typical 4 pack of CFL's can be had for less then 2.00 here..so 3 bulbs for 11 bucks was steep for me..

I bought the 60w equivalent in the Daylight version

fergus · Oct 30, 2015

I think I'm gonna pick up some of the "soft white" version. They are rated at 2700k which is more of a yellow light. I typically shoot for 2800-3000k if I have an option since I'm not a fan of blueish/white light. I'll report back.

TheOtherChris · Oct 30, 2015

Bought 2 packs of soft white and 1 of daylight Wednesday.
Put 2 daylights in my mill lighting. LOVE IT!!

Thanks for the tip.

Richard D · Nov 3, 2015

Is it just me, or does anyone else HATE led lights? They hurt my eyes, especially on cars.

bimmer1980 · Nov 3, 2015

Richard D said:
Is it just me, or does anyone else HATE led lights? They hurt my eyes, especially on cars.

I would agree with you in regards to a LED light that does not have a diffuser on it..... Straight white LEDs are too bright and are glaring.....

Ign · Nov 4, 2015

Just break the glass surround off an LED like an EcoSmart. In an enclosed shade on a lathe it's a huge upgrade and nothing more for chips to shatter. Love my lathe light like this!!! The LED's are only in the base anyhow, the glass is just to diffuse the light and make it look like a normal bulb to Joe Consumer. Actual light output is much improved w the glass gone (again, in an enclosed shade).

Dennis Leigh Henry · Nov 4, 2015

Nice recommendation.. now on my shopping list... Would have never thought to replace the small purpose lights with these.... Thx..

Kevin54 · Nov 5, 2015

Richard D said:
Is it just me, or does anyone else HATE led lights? They hurt my eyes, especially on cars.

I'm not fond of the bright white light as I think they are a cold light, but in my lathe and mill, I love them. I tried them in a couple of lamps in the house and hated them, so to the garage they came. I ended up putting some in my 4 lamp track light.

NUTTSGT · Nov 5, 2015

Kevin54 said:
I'm not fond of the bright white light as I think they are a cold light, but in my lathe and mill, I love them. I tried them in a couple of lamps in the house and hated them, so to the garage they came. I ended up putting some in my 4 lamp track light.

How are they working in the track light Kevin ? Better than what you had in there before ?

aka Larry · Nov 5, 2015

Since HD can't survive here (Lowes closed down 3 within 3 years within 30 mins of me) I've never seen or heard of these particular, and I may I add, very affordable, LED bulbs. I found a seller on Ebay who was offering a 12-pack with free shipping for $31.00. For that price I'll be swapping out lots of CFLs very soon.

Thanks for the tip Kevin!

aka Larry · Nov 5, 2015

Kevin54 said:
I'm not fond of the bright white light as I think they are a cold light, but in my lathe and mill, I love them. I tried them in a couple of lamps in the house and hated them, so to the garage they came. I ended up putting some in my 4 lamp track light.

I love the bright white light myself. Most of my CFLs are 5,000K already. To each his own.

bczygan · Nov 5, 2015

I use the Cree 60W equiv. bulbs. Slightly more lumens and when the local utility gives an in-store discount, I stock up at about $7-8 each.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Cree-60W-Equivalent-Daylight-5000K-A19-Dimmable-LED-Light-Bulb-with-4Flow-Filament-Design-BA19-08050OMF-12DE26-3U100/205597079

I wonder if the one Kevin shows, is more directional.

I love the daylight color temperature for shop and machinery, and also where I need to read things. A more yellowish color temp for warm living areas.

Bill

Kevin54 · Nov 5, 2015

NUTTSGT said:
How are they working in the track light Kevin ? Better than what you had in there before ?

they are better than the 60 watt floods I had in there. I need to get some more and try them in my bumpout. I have (4) 60watt floods in there, but it isn't very bright. I'll try the Brite sticks in there and report back with a couple of pics of the difference.

Kevin54 · Nov 5, 2015

Here are two pics. The first one is my bumpout with (4) 60w incandescent floods, and the second is (4) of the LED Brite Stiks in Daylight color. The LED's are definitely brighter in that area which is 7' x 24'

bczygan · Nov 5, 2015

Kevin54 said:
Here are two pics. The first one is my bumpout with (4) 60w incandescent floods, and the second is (4) of the LED Brite Stiks in Daylight color. The LED's are definitely brighter in that area which is 7' x 24'

I wonder if it's actually brighter. Daylight seems brighter then soft white because it's bluer.

What are the lumen ratings of the incandescent and the LED?

And what reading do you get with a luminence meter app on your phone, placed in the same spot, with different bulbs?

Bill

Jere · Nov 5, 2015

I find with the white leds a second(even less bright) daylight source helps fix the color problem. The mix of the two styles does better than more of either style on their own. Its just perception rather than a measurement in lumens but worth trying if you have the option

Kevin54 · Nov 5, 2015

bczygan said:
I wonder if it's actually brighter. Daylight seems brighter then soft white because it's bluer.

What are the lumen ratings of the incandescent and the LED?

And what reading do you get with a luminence meter app on your phone, placed in the same spot, with different bulbs?

Bill

And where do I find this app? Is it called a luminance meter app?

NUTTSGT · Nov 5, 2015

Kevin54 said:
Here are two pics. The first one is my bumpout with (4) 60w incandescent floods, and the second is (4) of the LED Brite Stiks in Daylight color. The LED's are definitely brighter in that area which is 7' x 24'

I don't care if it may not actually be brighter due to the color, I think it looks way better with the LED Brite Stiks.

NUTTSGT · Nov 5, 2015

bczygan said:
I wonder if it's actually brighter. Daylight seems brighter then soft white because it's bluer.

What are the lumen ratings of the incandescent and the LED?

And what reading do you get with a luminence meter app on your phone, placed in the same spot, with different bulbs?

Bill

Per HD web page specifics.

Daylights and Soft White ...Light Output (lumens) 760

Something else I found is that they sell them in a 12 pack. Order online and ship to store/home.

Soft Whites
http://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-60W-E...PIPHorizontal1_rr-_-205783754-_-206427646-_-N

Daylights
http://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-60W-E...PIPHorizontal1_rr-_-205783754-_-206427678-_-N

bczygan · Nov 6, 2015

NUTTSGT said:
Per HD web page specifics.

Daylights and Soft White ...Light Output (lumens) 760

Something else I found is that they sell them in a 12 pack. Order online and ship to store/home.

Soft Whites
http://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-60W-E...PIPHorizontal1_rr-_-205783754-_-206427646-_-N

Daylights
http://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-60W-E...PIPHorizontal1_rr-_-205783754-_-206427678-_-N

The Cree bulbs I linked to and use, show 815 lumens. I wonder about directionality.

Kevin, they're called light meter apps. Here's one:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bti.lightMeter

Bill

aka Larry · Nov 6, 2015

NUTTSGT said:
Something else I found is that they sell them in a 12 pack. Order online and ship to store/home.

In case you missed it, I said yesterday that I found an Ebay seller with the 12-pack for $31 and free shipping.

BTW, does one color of LED cost more to produce that another? The reason I ask is the Daylight color (5000K) is always more expensive that the Soft White color (2700K). They had big display of LEDs on sale at Lowes recently and all of the ones that were on sale were soft white of course.

NUTTSGT · Nov 6, 2015

aka Larry said:
In case you missed it, I said yesterday that I found an Ebay seller with the 12-pack for $31 and free shipping.

BTW, does one color of LED cost more to produce that another? The reason I ask is the Daylight color (5000K) is always more expensive that the Soft White color (2700K). They had big display of LEDs on sale at Lowes recently and all of the ones that were on sale were soft white of course.

LOL, yep, I missed that.

As far as the color costing more, it might. When fluorescents are made, some are produced with a different gas, generally Argon IIRC. There is also a different color on the coating too, thats the white on the inside of the lamp tube.

2oolhound · Nov 6, 2015

Having worked in the photog/film industry for many years we always had to filter the cameras for the colour temp. Film was available in either daylight or tungsten and at one time tungsten was available in 2 levels 32K or 34K. The tungsten matches late afternoon sunlight after it filters through the atmosphere on a strong angle so the pure rays of the sun are dirtied to the amber colour by all the particles it passes through on such a long angle in the atmosphere. When the sun is at high noon the rays penetrate the atmosphere straight through so are not effected as much. All flash units were daylight balanced to match daylight film.

We tend to like the tungsten light in our homes because it's more of what we are used to when we get to relax in the evening. When working during the day however the white light is more natural and the 5000K bulbs will match window light. I like white like in the shop and tungsten in the house.

The challenge the industry has with led lighting is it is a point light source meaning it emits from one small point in a beam. This is why manufacturers gang large numbers of led's together and diffuse their light beams with diffusion lenses. Point light sources create strong shadows. Fluorescent and old style bulbs with large filaments throw softer light which is more shadowless. Strong shadows can hide important details and our minds may mentally block out brightly lit areas to discern details in the shadows and vice versa. Soft shadowless light eliminates this occurrence.

If you have a work area painted white the walls and ceiling will reflect light all over the place filling in shadows. You can bounce led light off a white ceiling to create shadowless light but you may need more bulbs if you do. Light works on the inverse square law. The intensity of light 1 foot from the source is 1/4 the intensity 2 feet from the source and 1/16 4 feet from the source.

I picked up a couple of 4 bulb flourecents that use the ultra skinny bulbs and are 5000K. These are great for over a lathe or workbench as they are really shadowless. With the flourecents in place I use led or other spot lights to highlight areas at the cutting tool or grinding wheel etc. That way the shadows are not too strong.

aka Larry · Nov 11, 2015

My shipment of the GE Bright Stik 12-pack arrived and I installed them in some fixtures yesterday. I happy with the light output and especially the price on those, but unfortunately 4 of my rooms have ceiling fans that use the candelabra (E12) base so these won't fit.

HDTriHawk · Nov 11, 2015

Thanks for posting. That is super cheap for that good of light output. I hate that white light in a house, but it's perfect in the shop.

For you home machinist.....machine lighting

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