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SK X-Frame Strength Test (Ratcheting Box End)

woodstockva

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Hey Everybody -

In response to a LOT of comments & messages after the last video (SK vs Snap on vs WrightGRIP) asking about the strength of the box end & specifically "would it shear the head off of the grade 8 bolt, or would it fail).....I decided to make a video to find out.

Check it out...the results were surprising....


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Great video as always!!! thanks for testing the SK ratcheting boxed end so quickly :thumbup:

However, you what's coming next, yes a strength test with other ratcheting wrenches to see if they can shear a grade 8 bolt head off, and still function. :beer:
 

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Broke the bolt with ease! The SK ratcheting mechanism sounds crazy compared to the Proto.
 

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Where did you get that arbor for the tests from Woodstockva? Also I'm amazed at the way the ratcheting end has the 3 pairs of pawls all offset to give so many positions. That really seems to work well.
 

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Great Video! Thanks!

I'm thinking the ratcheting box end shootout is coming tomorrow then? lol j/k though really that would be awesome. More videos more views!

**I wonder how many grade 8's can that 9/16 shear and still be ok**

The way-way-way-way into the future SK X-Frame XL version is something I really want now but can only dream about!

Perfect for me would be the length of the Matco extra longs and heck with the open end. Just do a different size for each end.
 
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pennsylvaniaboy

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I know first hand that a snappy ratchet wrench can't take an impact working against it. Sk not sure....
 

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That's pretty impressive for a ratcheting wrench. I'm not sure if any others can do that. Our oil changers at work seem to break Matco/Armstrong/Cornwell ect. ratchet wrenches pretty frequently.
 

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I am buying a set next week, our local store has them for 129 next week. SAE to keep in my pouch at work.

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Don't know - but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if many none-reversible ratcheting wrenches could do that, with only half the material SK is pouring into this thing. After all the none-reversible design is just a one way clutch with several pawls driving the fastener.

Reversible ratcheting wrenches, perhaps not. Very different animal with typical ratchet mechanism cramped into small space. One pawl driving....

Can't say I am impressed. :dunno:
 

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Don't know - but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if many none-reversible ratcheting wrenches could do that, with only half the material SK is pouring into this thing. After all the none-reversible design is just a one way clutch with several pawls driving the fastener.

Reversible ratcheting wrenches, perhaps not. Very different animal with typical ratchet mechanism cramped into small space. One pawl driving....

Can't say I am impressed. :dunno:

I've damaged many average non reversing ratchet wrenches at work using them to break bolts loose, no they cannot take that same abuse. They end up freezing and skipping under load.
 

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SK X-Frame Ratcheting Wrenches

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http://toolguyd.com/sk-x-frame-ratcheting-wrenches/



http://garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=294323

Amazon.com does not sell the metric set. Who has the best price on the metric set?
 

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I've damaged many average non reversing ratchet wrenches at work using them to break bolts loose, no they cannot take that same abuse. They end up freezing and skipping under load.
I am not disagreeing with you and perhaps the SK is very strong.

However I want to point out that this is by no means the ultimate stress test for a wrench. Even if the bolt is grade 8.

I am no expert on SAE fasteners -correct me if I am wrong - but it seems this bolt is 3/8" dia. with 9/16" head. The head is touching hardened smooth surface with low friction. And finally the bolt is threaded all the way so it shears in the threaded part - with considerably less effective diameter than 3/8" (9,525mm). For coarse threads the effective diameter is probably closer to 7,5mm

Compare that to real world situation. You are trying to remove 12mm fine threaded bolt (Japanese car/truck) It's head size is similar to 9/16" or 14mm. Many such bolts are not threaded all the way and if badly stuck you twist the head off or you almost do that before the bolt starts moving. That's 12mm effective diameter standing against the strength of the wrench vs 7,5mm. On top of that the bolt head can be seated against soft (or corroded) surface creating additional friction.

Or 12mm has the sq-area of 113mm2 vs 7,5mm with 44mm2
So, all things even it takes almost 3 times more torque* to remove the head from the shank of 12mm than the threaded part of coarse thread 3/8" while both use very similar wrench size.

This is not accurate since the bolt is not in pure tension, the situation is even worse as the diameter grows. So this is probably understated.
 
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I have damaged gear Wrench models using them to hold bolts as I tightened a nylock nut down with a 1/4 inch impact while installing large quantities of pallet racking at work, don't be so sure.

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I haven't watched all of his videos so I can't be sure of this, but has he tested how many ft-lbs it takes to shear a grade 8 bolt?
 

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Compare that to real world situation. You are trying to remove 12mm fine threaded bolt (Japanese car/truck) It's head size is similar to 9/16" or 14mm.[/COLOR]

A "real world" M12 will have either a 17mm or a 19mm head, not a 14mm one. Besides, the strongest M12X1.25 steel bolts will have only a 105 ft-lbs torque rating. To break it free, figure 20% more, sp 126 ft-lbs. And as the fine pitch fasteners are typically used only in engines, corrosion shouldn't be a real world issue. A Grade 8 1/2" with coarse pitch will yield at approximately 155 lb-ft. Figure it would take another 20% after yielding to fail.
 
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I haven't watched all of his videos so I can't be sure of this, but has he tested how many ft-lbs it takes to shear a grade 8 bolt?

Grade 8 bolts that are SAE coarse and 3/8" shank and 9/16" hex (bolt and the nut that fits) aren't super strong,I was trying to tighten to 50 ft. lbs.or so and busted one with about 8" long short breaker bar/socket on bolt end and long torque wrench/socket on other end. Maybe I just got a weak one,the next one I tried held (bolting a bracket to a mower body) A fine thread one supposedly would be stronger
still a heck of a lot to expect for an open end wrench to hold
?did I miss feeling the torque wrench cllick?
 
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A certain type of MTD homeowner mower has brackets that mount the rear large wheels and rear crossbar,each bracket comes attached to the deck with only two bolts ("hex capscrews"?) needs another hole drilled through for another bolt heavy washers and nut to make it hold up better in my opinion triangulate
 

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Grade 8 bolts that are SAE coarse and 3/8" shank and 9/16" hex (bolt and the nut that fits) aren't super strong,I was trying to tighten to 50 ft. lbs.or so and busted one with about 8" long short breaker bar/socket on bolt end and long torque wrench/socket on other end. Maybe I just got a weak one,the next one I tried held (bolting a bracket to a mower body) A fine thread one supposedly would be stronger
still a heck of a lot to expect for an open end wrench to hold
?did I miss feeling the torque wrench cllick?
50 ft lbs is not really enough to test the strength of a ratcheting box end, if that's really all it takes to shear a grade 8 bolt.
 

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A "real world" M12 will have either a 17mm or a 19mm head, not a 14mm one. Besides, the strongest M12X1.25 steel bolts will have only a 105 ft-lbs torque rating. To break it free, figure 20% more, sp 126 ft-lbs. And as the fine pitch fasteners are typically used only in engines, corrosion shouldn't be a real world issue. A Grade 8 1/2" with coarse pitch will yield at approximately 155 lb-ft. Figure it would take another 20% after yielding to fail.
You are right about the head size, I had a brain fart. However I think I have come across 12mm with 14mm head (Nissan Patrol drive shafts), but I could be wrong about that and even if not, it has little to do with this discussion. So thanks for the correction!

I disagree with you about the torque required to break bolts free. It can be multiple of max torque for the fastener. This happens for example when bolts have long shank that is corroded and stuck in whatever part the bolt is holding in place. (exhaust manifolds, heavy truck transmission, transfer case housings, brake calipers, ... etc. In order to remove them you have to use all the torque the bolt shank can take. Not the threaded part. This is very clear when you twist the head off, inches away from the threads.

Flange head bolts, turning the flange can require lots of torque all by itself (Crankshaft bolts). Nuts/bolts with deep conical seat (wheels). I have come across many 12mm wheel studs where 1/2" drive tools didn't budge them. Twisted extensions and broken square drives. This spells north of 500 lb ft. Needless to say the threaded part on the 12mm bolt had little to do with all that friction, only capable of ~150 lb.ft max like you pointed out. Not that anyone is suggesting using ratcheting wrench on wheels, I am just trying to explain what can and does effect torque required to break fastener free.


So, even if a wrench survives this test, it's entirely possible it won't survive long in the hands of the average lube guy.
 
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