OLD (pre 1960's) PICTURES. have any to post either that you've found or have a story?

drivesitfar · Jan 18, 2016

ALL: I don't know if some of you like old pictures (pre 1960's) as much as I do of the old shops, machines, tools and guys (and gals) working, but thought it might be worth making a thread about them in our Vintage Tool Section.

i'll start it off with my GRAMP'S old Cat D6 that he used to do finish grading on new (old) logging roads and property. he also owned a D9 so this D6 was like a toy to him.

also a few of his logging trucks with a little bigger than average size logs on them.

post up what you have either with or without remarks.

drivesitfar · Jan 18, 2016

ALL: one of my favorite old RR pictures. notice any big vises? those are Holland's # 18 vises that weigh about 250-300 pounds with 8 inch jaws on maybe 200 pound stands that i think there were 5 that i could count in the picture that are in front of each location where an engine is parked.

DuroChrome · Jan 18, 2016

These are really cool archives of old photos. You can search by subject or order of posting.

Shorpy

This one you can choose by photographer, but I usually use the map and look at photographs by county.

Yale Archive 1935-45

gungatim · Jan 18, 2016

if you like old pictures (like I do) try reminisce magazine. there's usually a few auto related pictures every issue and often pics of hardware stores/gas stations, etc. it's not an auto/shop related magazine by any means or stretch, but usually has something cool to look at and read about...

drivesitfar · Jan 18, 2016

Tim & DC: i'm hoping to see pictures here on GJ because i would rather browse through them here on the forum than finding other sites or googling them. also would like to see ones we might not ever see like the first ones i posted that i found when looking at my 83 year old Mom's photo albums. yes they might not be the clearest because i'm taking a picture with my cell of a 60 year old photgraph, but you get the idea.

The RR picture is just one i saved and i know others have liked it too.

ALL: here's a few more old factory pictures i've saved to my laptop and maybe a few of you and maybe your relatives worked at one of these places and you can tell us about it.

cheers

drivesitfar · Jan 18, 2016

ALL: i've saved these from the PLVMB show yours thread. then also googled and found the gal modeling without tools. since there is already a pin up thread over in FREE PARKING let's make this on tool related if you have a few pictures to post.

j p smith · Jan 18, 2016

Drives, thanks for posting. The Otto Engines are a favorite by collectors today.

geologist · Jan 18, 2016

I wanted a large format 1940s calendar for my 1940s machine shop. This is what I managed to find:

https://scontent-iad3-1.**.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12552715_906422850340_7448394926031597227_n.jpg?oh=4b791cd8d48d4abee157246411310a24&oe=5742A9E6

McBrownie · Jan 18, 2016

I'll jump in. There was a post on GJ recently about an old Petersen Vise Grip production stamp made by Superior Steel Stamp in Cleveland, Ohio. I did a quick search and they are still in business. Here is an old picture from the "history" part of their website with what looks like an old Columbian bench vise. Not sure about the lathe. I think they are still in that same location today. It's an old building in an old part of town.

http://www.superiorsteelstamp.com/

McBrownie · Jan 18, 2016

And speaking of Cleveland history. Here is a building that I worked in for a couple of years on Cleveland's east side. The second highest murder rate, per capita, behind south Chicago. Woohoo! This was a building that was built in the early 1900's when Cleveland made more cars than Detroit. This building was used to make Loziers, Chapman's, and Hupmobiles. It was later bought by Parker, merged into Parker Hannifan (still in business today in a much nicer building), and then was owned for a short time by a prominent hospital in the area (which I work for). Not sure who owns it now. It is a radioactive (some WWII stuff led to that), asbestos filled, lead poisoned (couldn't drink the tap water), monstrosity in a nasty neighborhood.

Drives, you'll appreciate this. There is a hallway upstairs that is 330 yards long. I walked it off and it is a Par 4!

The building was added onto over the years, but attached is a picture of the assembly line (not sure what they are making) and what it looked like on the first floor when i was there.

Edit: I almost forgot about the monster Columbian vise lurking in the shadows of this building. A 6" No. 606, which was probably made down just down the street.

drivesitfar · Jan 18, 2016

JP: is the #49 engine the OTTO you are mentioning or do tell? any pictures you want to post please do of anything you like.

Geo: nice old calendar especially since it's the year following WWII. :thumbup:

McB: I remember you salivating over that big Columbian in your hospital's basement maybe a year ago now and always like those pictures. cool pictures of the old factory and since you live in one of the biggest cities responsible for building the US i'm guessing you might have a few more.

have you ever feared for your life going to work or living where you do? or are you like the bible verse says that you are the meanest (toughest) SOB around. my street translation.

ALL: anybody have any old family photo albums they can take a few cell pictures of an old relative working or of some old factories or streets we might recognize or like?

Techie1961 · Jan 18, 2016

We bought our house just over five years ago and it was built back in 1879. We had some family over and got to talking about it and she later sent an email that had a photo from when they finished building back then. The house has had a lot of changes but you can still see the bones of it.

drivesitfar · Jan 18, 2016

Techie: with me being an old Realtor in a past life i do like those old home pictures and the after one looks like it was added onto with some style too. in your sig line i see you have an old barn so if you want to post a few pictures of it on this thread with maybe your old tools i'm ok with that too.

thanks for sharing

ALL: sadly this picture although the art work is amazing (not the subject) is of the old Record Vice factory in Sheffeild, England. does anybody have any old pictures of maybe the factory with all it's vices, machines and workers to share?

i know a lot of the old factories and warehouses in Seattle and other cities have been turned into condos or torn down so having some old pictures to remember a time almost forgotten is good for our soul (I think).

EDIT: found a few pictures of the outside of the old Record Vice factory and posting a few. anybody have any of the inside with machines and workers in them?

Rileysan · Jan 19, 2016

Another great topic, Drives!

Alond with tools, I also collect postage stamps and ephemora. While I try to locate the photos of my civil war photographs, I'll share some pix of a few of my favorite stamps that are related to industrial themes. All items pictured are in my collection ...

Brian

Pic 1: Canadian province of New Brunswick, one cent steam engine, 1861
Pic 2: 12c US stamp featuring the steamship "Adriatic" , 1869
Pic 3: 10c US stamp featuring Eagle and shield with "New York Steamship" cancellation (actually used on a ship at sea), 1869
Pic 4: The stamp that started my obsession with collecting as a 10yo boy. 3c locomotive, 1869
Pic 5: 6c US airmail featuring a Curtis "Jenny" Bi-plane, 1918
Pic 6: "Transportation" series issued during the Pan American Exposition, 1901
Pic 7: 24c US Airmail Curtis "Jenny" Bi-plane, 1918

Rileysan · Jan 19, 2016

Here's one picture. Still looking for more.

The photograph was taken in a studio in downtown Portland, Oregon during the American civil war. For a short period of time during the war, nearly everything was taxed - including professional photos. Before a photograph was allowed out of the studio, the tax was charged and a revenue stamp was affixed to the back of the photo. The stamp was to be "cancelled" by the authorized reseller who kept the fee for the tax man. Fees differed depending on the size of the photograph.

Civil war photos are relatively common and are collected by various topical collectors.

The little girl is 4yo "Mary Hills" who lived her entire life in the Portland/metropolitan area. I have more details on her in my album but it is not readily available.

drivesitfar · Jan 19, 2016

Riley: i'd never heard of a tax on pictures during the Civil war. did you find that out just by collecting stamps? I do have a few stamps in a box somewhere around here. since i was collecting them in the early 60's when i was a teenager maybe i have a few old ones to find and share.

funny the stamp on the picture is 3 cents and in 1960's i think it was only 4 cents to mail a letter and maybe a penny for a post card.

thanks for sharing and putting the time in to post the dates too.

ALL: i found a few more pictures of the outside of the Record Vice factory and added them to my last post.

Gidge · Jan 19, 2016

drivesitfar said:
ALL: I don't know if some of you like old pictures (pre 1960's) as much as I do

Drives What an excellent idea for a thread !

This is not shop-related but a picture of my Great-great-great-great grandfather who was a Civil War veteran in a "four generation" picture taken in 1904 (he died in 1906).

MShaw · Jan 19, 2016

The attached picture is the home of the Harriman Motor Works in Glastonbury, Ct. which started making boat motors in the 1906. Later made some of the first aircraft engines and submitted prototypes for a navy contract. After making a quantity of engines in four and six cylinder versions and a few planes they went out of business around 1916.

The building became a repair garage and later added a Massey Ferguson dealership. I worked there as a heavy equipment mechanic summers while attending college in the early 1960s.

Rileysan · Jan 19, 2016

drivesitfar said:
Riley: i'd never heard of a tax on pictures during the Civil war. did you find that out just by collecting stamps? I do have a few stamps in a box somewhere around here. since i was collecting them in the early 60's when i was a teenager maybe i have a few old ones to find and share.

funny the stamp on the picture is 3 cents and in 1960's i think it was only 4 cents to mail a letter and maybe a penny for a post card.

thanks for sharing and putting the time in to post the dates too.

ALL: i found a few more pictures of the outside of the Record Vice factory and added them to my last post.

Drives - I found the picture in a collection of US Revenue stamps I purchased a number of years ago. Revenue stamps are not postage stamps, but rather an easy way to pre-issue a receipt to retailers. The most common things taxed were bank transactions, stock transfers, mortgage transactions, sales of all kinds of goods (produce, playing cards, tobacco, alcohol, narcotics - even Marijuana), services (photography as I have shown), and so on. There was no such thing as a blanket sales tax, so revenue stamps were the preferred way of providing proof of taxes paid.

At the beginning of the tax period, a number of stamps would be given to the retailer. The retailer would then paste the stamp on whatever was taxable. When the item or service was sold, the tax was collected. The tax man would take inventory of all transactions at the end of the tax period and collect that amount from the retailer.

As for the postage rates, this might amuse you. By an act of Congress, First class postage rates were implemented in 1851. The standard rate was 3c. That rate actually went down to 2c in the 1880s and remained that way until the 1920s, when the rate went back up to 3c. It remained 3c until the 1950s. So postal rates in the United States remained virtually the same for ~100 years!

Brian

j p smith · Jan 19, 2016

Drives, post #5 picture #5
Otto stationary engines, very collectable today($$$) among the Hit & Miss Engine guys

drivesitfar · Jan 19, 2016

JP: i have an old Drill Press that is a Canedy-Otto that i'm guessing might be related to the OTTO hit and miss engine? :dunno:

Riley: interesting to say the least. thanks for sharing. :bowdown:

j p smith · Jan 19, 2016

Drives. Cool Drill Press, I do not know any history of Otto that would help.

Davefr · Jan 19, 2016

Great thread!!!

I guess an airplane can be considered a tool. My uncle (the pilot) at the Jackson, WY airfield.

McBrownie · Jan 19, 2016

drivesitfar said:
McB: I remember you salivating over that big Columbian in your hospital's basement maybe a year ago now and always like those pictures. cool pictures of the old factory and since you live in one of the biggest cities responsible for building the US i'm guessing you might have a few more.

have you ever feared for your life going to work or living where you do? or are you like the bible verse says that you are the meanest (toughest) SOB around. my street translation.

Drives, we moved out of there about a year ago. Also forgot to mention that one of the elevators had bullet holes in it. Someone broke in on the weekend at some point and had target practice. Not a neighborhood to be walking around in after dark.

Here is a link to a site maintained by Case Western Reserve University that has some old pictures of Cleveland focusing on manufacturing. There are also some links to local company history.

https://ech.case.edu/index.html

EDIT: Also, some local history. Cleveland was originally part of the Connecticut's "Western Reserve" before Ohio was a state. So, in a way, Cleveland was part of the 13 original colonies.

DieselDent · Jan 19, 2016

My grandfathers Sunoco around 1954.
View media item 26221To the left is my grandmother and my dad by her side
View media item 26222

kleinkaliber · Jan 19, 2016

DieselDent, Those are cool pictures! Any chance the clock above the door in the second pic is still in the family? That would be a cool family heirloom.

Mike.ASC · Jan 19, 2016

Cool Sunoco station pictures. I have friends that live in the area.

woody 73 · Jan 19, 2016

I still get a kick of looking at the old Columbus Watch Factory, as you can see some very old pictures and what is still left of part of the original building.

https://jarsloth.wordpress.com/2011/03/24/columbus-watch-company/

DieselDent · Jan 19, 2016

kleinkaliber said:
DieselDent, Those are cool pictures! Any chance the clock above the door in the second pic is still in the family? That would be a cool family heirloom.

Thanks, I wish we have a few other things from the station like a small sign and ice scrapers. My dad and I are going to have the A to Z sign to the right of the first bay made.

sublime68charger · Jan 19, 2016

very nice thread topic drives!

I don't have any old pics but will follow along with all those that due post them up!

drivesitfar · Jan 19, 2016

JP: i actually could have thought those were cannons instead of hit and miss Otto engines. thanks and thought you might like my little DP

DaveF: cool plane and yes it counts

McB: i could stay on that link looking at old pictrures for a long time. post up more of your favorite pictures you have or find as you can. BTW a 330 yard hole is almost a par 3.

Diesel: so how old is your dad now? cool pictures that's for certain and thanks for sharing our family's history with us.

Woody: i haven't had a chance to look at your link yet, but i'm guessing if you like it that it's pretty cool. post up any pictures you have or find when you have time. thanks

Sub: nice to see you over here in Vintage section. even if you don't have any pictures now i bet you'll find some in your parents or grandparents photo albums or google some and post the ones you like. or just watch as we keep posting more. Welcome to the thread

ALL: here's an old car driving through a redwood tree's trunk in Northern California. you could say these trees are a tad on the large size.

drivesitfar · Jan 19, 2016

JP: i actually could have thought those were cannons instead of hit and miss Otto engines. thanks and thought you might like my little DP

DaveF: cool plane and yes it counts

McB: i could stay on that link looking at old pictrures for a long time. post up more of your favorite pictures you have or find as you can. BTW a 330 yard hole is almost a par 3.

Diesel: so how old is your dad now? cool pictures that's for certain and thanks for sharing our family's history with us.

Woody: i haven't had a chance to look at your link yet, but i'm guessing if you like it that it's pretty cool. post up any pictures you have or find when you have time. thanks

Sub: nice to see you over here in Vintage section. even if you don't have any pictures now i bet you'll find some in your parents or grandparents photo albums or google some and post the ones you like. or just watch as we keep posting more. Welcome to the thread

ALL: here's an old car driving through a redwood tree's trunk in Northern California. you could say these trees are a tad on the large size.

Bighead38 · Jan 19, 2016

drivesitfar said:
ALL: I don't know if some of you like old pictures (pre 1960's) as much as I do of the old shops, machines, tools and guys (and gals) working, but thought it might be worth making a thread about them in our Vintage Tool Section.

i'll start it off with my GRAMP'S old Cat D6 that he used to do finish grading on new (old) logging roads and property. he also owned a D9 so this D6 was like a toy to him.

also a few of his logging trucks with a little bigger than average size logs on them.

post up what you have either with or without remarks.

Reminds me of our d6

McBrownie · Jan 20, 2016

drivesitfar said:
McB: i could stay on that link looking at old pictrures for a long time. post up more of your favorite pictures you have or find as you can. BTW a 330 yard hole is almost a par 3.

With my short game, it's actually a Par 5. :spit:

I am going to keep digging for info on Columbian vise/anvil/hardware or whatever they were called. That is how I found the CWRU website and there is no mention of Columbian on that site. Vlchek is there along with others, but not Columbian.

drivesitfar · Jan 20, 2016

Big: thanks for posting. i remember when i was maybe 4 to 7 years old my Gramps would sit me on his lap and show me how to run those big dozers, but by the time i was 12 i was playing golf any chance i could so missed all the lessons when i could actually drive one. that old D6 looks like it's almost new in that picture.

McB: Vlchek or old Columbian vise factory pictures would be great to see if you find some. I just barely started looking at the pictures at my parent's house when i found those old logging pictures so i'll try to find a few more. i'm going to start practicing and playing again so head over to the Golf 101 thread for some tips to improve your practice and play if you want to.

ALL: just an FYI the logging pictures i posted were actually taken with my cell phone's camera of an old picture with some plastic over it in a photo album. it might have come out a little clearer if i would have removed the plastic or picture, but if you can take a few of yours to post like that you don't have to work to hard to post cool old pictures that might never have been seen before by non family members.

cheers all

twertsy · Jan 20, 2016

Not "Pre-'60's" but close. Found these under the bottom drawer in an old Huot box. Posted them when I found them a long time ago but I think they belong here............

DuroChrome · Jan 20, 2016

This old horse trailer RV is really cool.

DuroChrome · Jan 20, 2016

Inside view...legit stove!

DuroChrome · Jan 20, 2016

This guy is a serious bada$$! PPE? What is that? :bounce:

kleinkaliber · Jan 20, 2016

DuroChrome said:
This guy is a serious bada$$! PPE? What is that?

That is a cool pic! :shocking:

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