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Brake Line Fabrication

brittf

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Hi

I thought it might be of value to document how I used the Bend-Tech software and the steps I take to make hydraulic and fuel lines for my 1967 Ford Mustang Fastback project. If anyone has any ideas for improvement I'm all ears. I still have fuel lines to fabricate.

The example here is the hydraulic line running from the clutch master cylinder to a bracket on the frame rail to which a hose will connect from the hydraulic throwout bearing.

After taking measurements in the engine compartment I designed the tube in Bend-Tech 7x SE. Using the Custom Part interface you enter the beginning length, the angle of rotation of the bend, the angle of the bend and the ending length. The ending length for a previous bend becomes the beginning length for the subsequent bend.


This is a screen shot of the tube after all the information is entered in the software. You can rotate the tube to view if from any angle. This is helpful to make sure you have the rotations and bends going in the right direction.


This is the report that you can obtain from the software to take into the shop for fabrication. It provides you with the cut length needed (helps to avoid waste) and shop instructions to fabricate the part. It provides you with the dimensions from the starting end to the location of each bend. The dimension corresponds to the location on your bender that you used to calibrate the bender.


I use a miniature cutoff saw to cut the tubing. This tool, from Grizzly Tools, allows you to use a 4-1/2 hand grinder as a cutoff saw. In this case I'm using my Makita. I'm using stainless steel and it is a little harder to work with.


This is the end of the tube after it is cut. It needs to be de-burred.


I de-burr the cut end with this tool from The Eastwood Company.


I use a drill bit to de-burr the inside of the tube. A number 30 drill bit works good for 3/16" tubing. A number 11 drill bit works good for 1/4" tubing.


I then complete the de-burring process with a countersink.


The resulting end after de-burring. Now ready to be flared.


Using a square to measure accurately from the starting end I lay out the location of each bend. These are marked with a fine-tip Sharpie.


After each bend is located I wrap a piece of masking tape around the tube. This allows me to mark the location of each bend completely around the tube. This is important as a bend may need to be rotated and a simple tick mark on the the tube is not adequate to precisely locate it in the bender.


After marking the location of each bend completely around the tube I remove the masking tape.


Stainless steel tubing is much more difficult to work with than plain steel. To make the flared ends I use this hydraulic flaring tool from Mastercool. In order to get the first bend as tight to the flare nut as possible I will flare the the starting end first.


Making the first bend. In this case it's 180 degrees. Note that I installed the flare nut first. I've been know to forget this step and it's hard to add them later. I'm using a Rigid tubing bender with a 5/8" radius. It's about the tightest radius I've been able to find for 3/16" brake tubing.


This is the second bend. In this case I needed to rotate the bend 135 degrees. Ninety degree rotations are easy to do by eye. I use a small digital angle finder on other rotations.


Here's the finished line before installing the second flare nut. Since stainless steel tubing is much more expensive than regular steel tubing I make a prototype line first in regular steel to confirm my dimensions, angle of bend and rotations. Here the stainless steel line (in the foreground) is compared with the standard steel prototype.


The finished line installed. The green masking tape was used to help me layout the line. The body is on its side in a rotisserie to make it easier to work in the engine compartment.

Thank you for viewing. Please offer up any questions that you may have. I'm also open to feedback as to how to simplify and improve my work.


Britt
 
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motobilt

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I usually bend brake lines on the vehicle as I go. In some ways I think it would be difficult to account for all of the dims accurately in 3D space without working with a solid model in something like Solidworks. With that said I have drawn fuel and brake lines in Soldiworks and send them out to be CNC formed. Awesome post. I have never thought of using Bend-Tech for brake lines. Thanks for sharing.
 

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That's cool but I'm wondering why you're doing double the work. Obviously you know enough to know how to measure and account for directional changes. Maybe I missed this part but it seems you may not understand how to account for gain/loss on the stub and that's were the software comes in handy. But once you learn how to accommodate for this and center of bend you'll complete these assemblies in 1/3rd of the time you're doing it now. I always keep some cheap line around for the occasional test bend or to use in place as my benchmark location. But any line can be done in hard measurements once you learn a few rules.

And this wasn't meant to offend ya bud. Some methods don't work for everyone and your link and suggestions will be helpful to many guys.

Here's a sample, but by no means the most complicated I've done.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=309020
 

Jbrates

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Great Post. I cannot count the number of times i made a tight radius and forgot to put a threaded brake fitting on the end first
 

pancho400cid

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Great post and nice work!

Long ago I did a fair amount of tubing bending for air-actuated valves and instrument air. I'm not an expert by any means. I'll have to look into the software you are talking about.

An alternative to tape is to just slide a ferrule of the right size along the tubing and mark all the way around it as you go. As said, every bend stretches the tubing by a few percent so if you mark all the bends with the tubing straight and then start bending the later bends are off some relative to the early bends if you don't account for the stretch. Not sure if the software compensates. If so you'd have to enter a variable for the stretch somehow as different metals are different.

You are probably clear on all I said as your tubing appears to have worked out great.

PS - Awesome work in the link LXCam posted!
 
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I've been building brake line kits (line lock kits actually) for C5 and C6 Corvette's and 93+ F-Bodies since 2008. I took the simple approach. I made a master line set on car, then copy the particular lines whenever I sell a kit. Has worked great for me.
 

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Wow that is very impressive. From the perfect result I assume you have been doing this a long long time.

Well done!
 

RLYoung

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Not sure if the software compensates. If so you'd have to enter a variable for the stretch somehow as different metals are different.

From what I gather the software does compensate. You have the ability to enter the center line radius for each specific die you are using. There is a calibration function where you can actually do a test bend, enter some measurements, and the software will calculate spring back and stretch. Obviously you'd need to do this for each tubing size/thickness and die. But once it is saved you have it all in a drop down box.


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jimbbski

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The tube flaring tool by Mastercool is nearly as cool as the software for bending the tubing. I have one of their tools and it is my favorite tool. Even though I don't do much brake line, or other tubing work on my cars, when I need to I thank myself for buying this tool a few years ago.
 

oldskool ron

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mm ive learnt more from this forum in the hours ive been a member .I make a lot of copper oil lines and brake lines for old Harleys and triumphs .the best way ive found is block off one end fill with table salt and hold a orbital sander on it for few seconds so the salt falls to fill the air pockets then block off the other end we only have basic type tube benders here so I can get a 3/8 bar stock and bend the 3/16 tube round that to get really tight 180 bends plus when I do multiple coils for oil lines I just bend it round a piece of 2 inch pipe .might not be as precise but works well for me an doest leave marks on the tube
 
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mm ive learnt more from this forum in the hours ive been a member .I make a lot of copper oil lines and brake lines for old Harleys and triumphs .the best way ive found is block off one end fill with table salt and hold a orbital sander on it for few seconds so the salt falls to fill the air pockets then block off the other end we only have basic type tube benders here so I can get a 3/8 bar stock and bend the 3/16 tube round that to get really tight 180 bends plus when I do multiple coils for oil lines I just bend it round a piece of 2 inch pipe .might not be as precise but works well for me an doest leave marks on the tube


and I just learned something new from you. The salt trick. I've heard of sand for larger pipe/tube. But salt and the orbital is great.
Thanks!
 

oldskool ron

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I GET ALOT OF IDEAS FROM MY DAD BUT HE HAS BEEN PRETTY CROOK SINCE B4 CHRISTMAS .I NEVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF SALT EITHER BUT IT WORKS GREAT . I SPOSE ITS LIKE SAND IN PIPE TO MAKE NICE FLOWING BENDS ON EXHAUST PIPES .THE ORBITAL SANDER TRICK I USE WHEN BLEEDING BRAKES ON ALOT OF THE HARLEYS TRYING TO BLEED EVEN WITH A VACUM BLEEDER IS A PAIN SO WHILE I HAVE THE FLUID IN MASTER CYLINDER I HOLD THE LEVER IN AND PUT THE ORBY ON WITH THE SOFT PADDED PLATE ONTO THE CALIPER THEN WORK UP THE LINE IT VIBRATES ALL THE AIR OUT ...SORRY TO DIVERT OFF THE TOPIC ..CHEERS oops caps sorry
 

Barrymaxx

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So whens the roll cage going in? If you can do this you can fab any tubing.
 

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Are those swag off road gooseneck dies I see in the back ground or something you made? Either way what size brake do you have and how do you like them?
 

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Chevy-SS

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That's some meticulous brake line work there. Very nice!

How did you clean the metal particles (from cutting/deburring) out of the lines?
 

kennytent

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Seems like a lot of work, for brake lines, looks nice though.

It is creative use of Bendtech, been trying to justify the purchase, for some time.

I typically use aluminium tig rod, for brake lines, bends easy, fits into the ports of all the brake components, cheap enough....
 

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Nice post...thanks for sharing . I don't have the software but I will be copying some of your techniques. I love my mastercool flare tool ...especially on stainless.
 
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brittf

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what part number is that bender? been looking for a better bender then what i have

I have three Rigid 400 series lever benders. The 3/16" is Rigid Model 403; the 1/4" is Rigid Model 404; and the 3/8" is Rigid Model 406. I've been very happy with them. The have the tightest radius that I could find. I ordered then from Inline Tube Company which is where I also purchased the tubing. Let me know if you need any more information.


Britt
 

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I have three Rigid 400 series lever benders. The 3/16" is Rigid Model 403; the 1/4" is Rigid Model 404; and the 3/8" is Rigid Model 406. I've been very happy with them. The have the tightest radius that I could find. I ordered then from Inline Tube Company which is where I also purchased the tubing. Let me know if you need any more information.


Britt

i was afraid of that lol, 60 bucks a bender ouch. but buy once cry once lol.
 

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Stainless Steel Brake Corporation (SSBC) sells pre-made lengths of flared, stainless brake lines with ends, in several lengths. Speedway sells them, also.

I was able to do my entire early Bronco project (with custom axles, 4 wheel discs, power brakes, custom line routing, etc) using just those - didn't have to flare a single piece.

I measured for each section using a tailor's measuring tape, used 12 ga solid strand electrical wire as templates, then bent the stainless tubing by hand and using Eastwood's tubing pliers.
 
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