Can someone explain Craftsman Industrial?

It's been a while since I bought a lot of tools. I know lots of Craftsman stuff has gone to China. I have a lot of older Craftsman stuff and I really like it.

Then I see "Craftsman Industrial" that is supposed to be US made. Looks like the same old Craftsman stuff to me. How does this work? Are they just burning up the old US made stock or are they really running two production lines in the US and in China?

Why is there no advertising for Craftsman Industrial? I'm happy to pay more for US made tools.

With the vintage tools, it used to mean that they were tougher built. Nowadays, Sears' uses Industrial and Professional alternately as marketing ploys for tools with a sleeker design. These lines tend to last only a year or two and are then discontinued. The quality seems to be slightly better than the mainstream imports, but it could be just smoke and mirrors. The newer USA made tools are better quality than the imports, but only by degrees. IMO the vintage tools blow the new stuff away by miles, in terms of quality. YMMV

What your seeing is New Old Stock.

6-07-2015

Fedwrench said:

Craftsman Industrial is nothing more than the US made Craftsman stuff stamped with a different name. The full polished wrenches are slightly changed over the last US versions.

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Armstrong Industrial and Craftsman Industrial
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4911288#post4911288

JANUARY 5, 2016
New Craftsman Industrial Ratchets & Wrenches are Made in the USA!
http://toolguyd.com/craftsman-industrial-ratchets-wrenches-made-in-usa/


There have been several delays with the consolidation and production, Only time will tell if production of Craftsman Industrial branded tools will continue at the new location.

The company's Sumter facility produces hand tools under the Crescent®, Wiss®, HK Porter® and Xcelite®brand names, and will be adding production of Armstrong® and Allen® hand tools as well as private label brands*. Apex will be consolidating several of its manufacturing facilities into its Sumter plant, which currently employs approximately 200 associates. Apex's presence in Sumter County spans more than three decades.

Source
http://sccommerce.com/news/press-releases/apex-tool-group-expand-sumter-county-employment

* private label brands "Craftsman"

Apex Brands
http://www.apextoolgroup.com/brands-faceting
Brand Timelines
http://www.apextoolgroup.com/brands/brands-timeline/2010


Two current sources for Craftsman Industrial branded tools -

http://www.autobodytoolmart.com/craftsman-industrial-c-1297.aspx

http://www.summitracing.com/search/brand/craftsman-industrial

The usual suspects should be along later to...
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I would say that if you want new US made mechanics hand tools but, not a truck brand, consider SK, Proto, or Wright.

There are tons of US made Craftsman US made tools in the secondary market though.

Unfortunately, no good comes to any former US made tool brand that gets lumped under the Apex Tool Group Banner.

Craftsman Industrial is probably more of a nostalgic longing for the Craftsman of old but, distribution is sketchy and pricing definitely isn't at old US made levels.

I feel there are just too many brands being consolidated at the South Carolina plant. Maybe it's a huge plant and it will be able to churn out enough product across the various lines based there.

Marketing ploy. Buy what works for you.

It will be interesting to see how well the "clinch drive" wrenches work and I wonder if the ratchet wrenches will have them. It doesn't say in the ad. Those double box end ratchet wrenches might be nice if they offer them in XL. I do wonder though if they're are just Gearwrench with USA markings. Who's to say?

Either way, I'm glad to see they're are trying this. The sad part is all the people on here who "wish" Craftsman tools were still made in USA probably won't buy any of them. They'll say they are the same as the Taiwan stuff or over priced, etc etc..

http://c.shld.net/rpx/newars/crafts...strial/images/201506-CI-Brand-Flyer-FINAL.pdf

Craftsman Industrial pisses me off. I have a few sets, and the tools are impossible to warranty. If you call the warranty number, nobody knows what Craftsman Industrial is, and they cant warranty them. They told me to "take it back to the place of purchase" thing is, I purchased them from Sears.com...... The tools are good, but the service behind them is terrible. I still have a 7/32'' allen socket sitting on my counter that I have yet to beable to warranty.

Craftsman Industrial is the old Craftsman catalog circa 2010ish with hugely bloated prices and no warranty convenience. The only reason people on here kept buying into it was because they were constantly running "clearance" pricing online for whatever reason.

Clinch drive is the same radius design that Armstrong and Matco have been using for years im sure. It does work extremely well in my experience. Grips like FD+ without the teeth tearing damage. The double box ratcheting wrenches are also from Armstrong, like the old Matco pro-swings. No point in waiting for Craftsman rebrands though when Armstrong is always available.

With Bain quickly, and considerably, downsizing production capacity though im not sure i'd touch either brand. They may not exist in a domestic capacity much longer at the rate they're going and the stuff is far from cheap.

kunkernator said:

Craftsman Industrial pisses me off. I have a few sets, and the tools are impossible to warranty. If you call the warranty number, nobody knows what Craftsman Industrial is, and they cant warranty them. They told me to "take it back to the place of purchase" thing is, I purchased them from Sears.com...... The tools are good, but the service behind them is terrible. I still have a 7/32'' allen socket sitting on my counter that I have yet to beable to warranty.

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I agree 100%.

I tried to warranty a brand new warped wrench and called the 1-800 that was on the paperwork included with the wrenches.

The ***** at Apex gave me the runaround claiming I had to go to Sears. But I told her Sears doesn't stock CM Industrial. (I'm sure the Sears B&M store would have simply handed me a branded new Lobster Claw fresh off the boat from China.)

I asked for a manager and he did call me back and fessed up to the fact that CM Industrial is a ******* child with no real owner. He agreed to send me a replacement.

I would avoid CM Industrial like the plague!!

Wow that *****...

...at one time they were actually pretty decent step up circa 2008 or 2009 or something

I have an adjustable of theirs which was not cheap but excellent quality

***** there is now no effective warranty on that tool, hopefully will never need it

my other cman usa stuff I also think of the same way. snap on is probably the only

company where a warranty product replacement will be on par with the original

and even with them i'm sure the cognescenti can pick out flaw or shortcuts

in some newer designs, but almost always there are also advancements so at least

it is something of a fair trade...

Skin said:

With Bain quickly, and considerably, downsizing production capacity though im not sure i'd touch either brand. They may not exist in a domestic capacity much longer at the rate they're going and the stuff is far from cheap.

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I REALLY wanna kick Mitt in the magic underpants!
The stuff Bain does would make Gordon Gecko blush with shame...

dude, bain capital has nothing to do with mitt these days...we are talking about a deterioration in the past 2-5 years...also these funds run by the markey and by regulation and legal arbitrage...not really by individuals making **** up...in that regard, to a large extent it doesn't matter who runs the firm...they all will eventually converge on the same profit strategies and tactics as the opportunities are set up by the larger market and regulation (or lack thereof)...as long as that company is not run by a family or by a founder/inventor...you run the risk of a flipper or finance guy playing with spreadsheets and making big decisions

sidetrack tho...back to the main subject

I have several sets of craftsman industrial sockets and wrenches I bought when they were selling them super cheap at the sears outlet stores. From what I see there is no difference between the regular US craftsman and the industrial craftsman. The raised panel wrenches are same. The smooth chrome wrenches are the same as the old craftsman professional. The sockets are the same as the US made in-store sockets were. The only difference I see is they are stamped Industrial and they originally cost more. I would not pay more for them than i would for plain old US craftsman items. There are still lots of them on ebay that folks bought from the outlets and are trying to sucker people to buy for outrageous money.

The Craftsman Industrial warranty information was copied from their website.

Warranties

Tool Storage
During the warranty time period specified below, this product is warranted against defects in material or workmanship. With proof of purchase, a defective part will be replaced free of charge. If a replacement part is unavailable, the product will be replaced with one of equal value. This warranty does not apply to a product that is damaged or altered through transportation, misuse, abuse, corrosion, accident, neglect, modification or mishandling, nor does coverage apply if the product is ever attached to a moving vehicle. For each product series, the time periods of warranty coverage are as follows: Craftsman Standard Duty: 90 Days; Craftsman Heavy Duty: 3 Years; Craftsman Premium Heavy Duty: 5 Years; Craftsman Industrial 3000 Series: 10 Years; Craftsman Industrial 5000 Series: 10 Years; Craftsman Industrial 7000 Series: Lifetime (for as long as product is used from date of purchase); Craftsman Industrial 9000 Series: Lifetime (for as long as product is used from the date of purchase). WARRANTY SERVICE: To obtain warranty coverage, contact the distributor from which the product was purchased.



Hand Tools
Craftsman, Craftsman Professional and Craftsman Industrial Hand Tools, Mechanics Tool Sets, Sockets/Ratchets and Drive Tools, Wrenches (Non- Torque), Auto/Specialty (Non-Electrical, Non- Hydraulic)
If this hand tool ever fails to provide complete satisfaction it will be repaired or replaced free of charge. WARRANTY SERVICE: To obtain warranty coverage, contact the distributor from which the product was purchased.



Craftsman Torque Wrenches: Electronic, DigiClick, MicroTork
FOR 90 DAYS from the date of purchase, this product is warranted against defects in material or workmanship. With proof of purchase, a defective product will receive free repair or replacement if repair is unavailable. Free recalibration if required will also be supplied with proof of purchase during the warranty period. WARRANTY SERVICE: To obtain warranty coverage, contact the distributor from which the product was purchased.



Craftsman Beam Torque Wrenches
If this product ever fails to provide complete satisfaction it will be repaired or replaced free of charge. WARRANTY SERVICE: To obtain warranty coverage, contact the distributor from which the product was purchased.



Craftsman Power
Corded and Cordless Portable, Bench Top and Stationary Power Tools
FOR 90 DAYS from the date of purchase, this power tool and any supplied battery pack or charger are warranted against defects in material or workmanship. With proof of purchase, a defective product will receive free repair or replacement if repair is unavailable. WARRANTY SERVICE: To obtain warranty coverage, contact the distributor from which the product was purchased.



Air Shop, Maintenance, Miscellaneous Products
Craftsman Air Compressors, Welders, Wet/Dry Vacs, Electrical Diagnostic Tools, Miter Boxes, Bench Vises, Digital Levels and other Products
FOR 90 DAYS from the date of purchase, this product is warranted against defects in material or workmanship. With proof of purchase, a defective product will receive free repair or replacement if repair is unavailable. WARRANTY SERVICE: To obtain warranty coverage, contact the distributor from which the product was purchased.



Craftsman Professional Products
FOR ONE YEAR from the date of purchase, this product is warranted against any defects in material or workmanship. With proof of purchase, a defective product will receive free repair or replacement if repair is unavailable. WARRANTY SERVICE: To obtain warranty coverage, contact the distributor from which the product was purchased.



NO WARRANTY
Warranty coverage is not offered on consumable items, including but not limited to the following: bits, bulbs, replacement blades, alkaline batteries, filters, sandpaper, taps, dies, screw extractors, safety glasses, gloves or other cloth products, plastic hand boxes and portable metal chests, garage floor and wall cabinets.



This warranty does not cover expendable parts (if supplied) that can wear out from normal use within the warranty period, including but not limited to bits, bulbs, replacement blades, alkaline batteries, filters, belts, sandpaper, pads, bonnets, abrasion discs, grinding wheels, contact tips, nozzles, inflation needles, trimmer line and spark plugs.

Wes J said:

It's been a while since I bought a lot of tools. I know lots of Craftsman stuff has gone to China. I have a lot of older Craftsman stuff and I really like it.

Then I see "Craftsman Industrial" that is supposed to be US made. Looks like the same old Craftsman stuff to me. How does this work? Are they just burning up the old US made stock or are they really running two production lines in the US and in China?

Why is there no advertising for Craftsman Industrial? I'm happy to pay more for US made tools.

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I would suggest contacting the following sales rep that handles IL.

Jorgensen Sales Co.

Jim Jorgensen

[email protected]

502-777-6736


Matt Jorgensen

[email protected]

502-777-6735

Wes J said:

It's been a while since I bought a lot of tools. I know lots of Craftsman stuff has gone to China. I have a lot of older Craftsman stuff and I really like it.

Then I see "Craftsman Industrial" that is supposed to be US made. Looks like the same old Craftsman stuff to me. How does this work? Are they just burning up the old US made stock or are they really running two production lines in the US and in China?

Why is there no advertising for Craftsman Industrial? I'm happy to pay more for US made tools.

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When I first looked over Craftsman Industrial tools I thought the sockets looked like the same as the Allen line or Armstrong A-Line sockets. The CI brand is supposed to be made per spec as stated in the catalogs. When the factory began restructuring the warehouse got flooded and production got moved to SC. When I tried to order some CI tools during the shut down they shipped the Chinese Craftsman tools or cancelled the order. The place I bought from has since changed a lot of APEX tool products to non-returnable or NLA. Maybe after the factory gets back to running again they will fill orders as they should.

In the past I have discussed the possibility of warranty not being available from Sears for regular Craftsman tools purchased at Sears stores because of stores being closed. Sears said to pull up the Craftsman.com website and contact them for warranty service. They might be able to help answer any warranty related questions concerning CI tool purchases from Sears. Sears.com also has a warranty document for both CI and Craftsman tools purchased from Sears.

http://www.craftsman.com/en_us/customer-care/warranty-information.html

In the past I have heard people say warranties are not worth the paper they are written on. I have tried to support the made in USA tool industry and hope to have warranty service without a hassle if needed. Currently I own a bunch of CI tools and I hope they get things going without a hassle.

I uploaded a few snapshots from some CI catalogs. You can pull up their website also.

http://www.craftsman.com/dap/industrial-program.html

So according to that flier posted above there will be more Craftsman Industrial stuff coming in 2016....but will it be available at Sears? If I could walk into any Sears and buy the Industrial stuff I would be all over it. But if I have to order online why not just order SK or Proto or any of the other half dozen pro brands I can find online...

drink said:

The Craftsman Industrial warranty information was copied from their website.

Warranties

Hand Tools
Craftsman, Craftsman Professional and Craftsman Industrial Hand Tools, Mechanics Tool Sets, Sockets/Ratchets and Drive Tools, Wrenches (Non- Torque), Auto/Specialty (Non-Electrical, Non- Hydraulic)
If this hand tool ever fails to provide complete satisfaction it will be repaired or replaced free of charge. WARRANTY SERVICE: To obtain warranty coverage, contact the distributor from which the product was purchased.

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That's the catch. If you're lucky enough to even know of a CM Industrial Distributor you'll likely get the runaround unless you can prove you bought from that distributor. (assuming that Distributor hasn't already given up on CM Industrial).

For those of us that bought a bunch of CM Industrial at closeout prices from the Sears Outlet warranty doesn't much matter.

But I would never pay MSRP for this tool line unless the manufacturer covers my back for warranty purposes. (like SO, SK, Wright, etc)

Like I said earlier, CM Industrial is a "******* child" and I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. I can't see any benefit to the consumer.

Sanny81 said:

So according to that flier posted above there will be more Craftsman Industrial stuff coming in 2016....but will it be available at Sears? If I could walk into any Sears and buy the Industrial stuff I would be all over it. But if I have to order online why not just order SK or Proto or any of the other half dozen pro brands I can find online...

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Sears has been selling a limited amount of CI tools online.

http://www.sears.com/deals/GDOs.html

Davefr said:

That's the catch. If you're lucky enough to even know of a CM Industrial Distributor you'll likely get the runaround unless you can prove you bought from that distributor. (assuming that Distributor hasn't already given up on CM Industrial).

For those of us that bought a bunch of CM Industrial at closeout prices from the Sears Outlet warranty doesn't much matter.

But I would never pay MSRP for this tool line unless the manufacturer covers my back for warranty purposes. (like SO, SK, Wright, etc)

Like I said earlier, CM Industrial is a "******* child" and I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. I can't see any benefit to the consumer.

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After buying some CI tools at Sears.com I asked Sears how to get warranty service. Sears said they will provide return or exchange service on the tools they sold at Sears stores. They also said to reference the warranty statement. It sounds like things might go in circles without getting warranty service. I might try calling Craftsman and ask them how to get warranty service.

http://www.craftsman.com/cswarranty/nb-100000000227082

Warranty Information

CRAFTSMAN WARRANTY STATEMENTS (Web Page) Revised February 26, 2016

For questions you may have concerning warranty coverage issues that do not appear to be covered by the information on this web page, call the Craftsman Customer Care Hot Line number: 1-888-331-4569

http://www.craftsman.com/en_us/customer-care/warranty-information.html#point1

I have quite a bit of Craftsman Industrial tools. I did warranty one wrench a while back with no issues. Had a replacement wrench sent to me within a week of calling.

kunkernator said:

Craftsman Industrial pisses me off. I have a few sets, and the tools are impossible to warranty. If you call the warranty number, nobody knows what Craftsman Industrial is, and they cant warranty them. They told me to "take it back to the place of purchase" thing is, I purchased them from Sears.com...... The tools are good, but the service behind them is terrible. I still have a 7/32'' allen socket sitting on my counter that I have yet to beable to warranty.

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I disagree. I had an outlet set missing the ratchet, extension, and breaker bar, and they sent them right away.

Davefr said:

That's the catch. If you're lucky enough to even know of a CM Industrial Distributor you'll likely get the runaround unless you can prove you bought from that distributor. (assuming that Distributor hasn't already given up on CM Industrial).

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Bingo.
Not too long ago CMan Industrial was a brand with great reputation & service in its own right....its own dealer network, and even direct industrial sales. For example the Paper Mill my dad worked for used to be serviced by SnapOn Industrial, but they left SO and went to Cman Industrial...had their own sales rep, "in house warranty service" etc.. But that was LONG ago when the CMan name meant something.
Industrial suppliers like Fastenal and Grainger (Not sure on Grainger, but I KNOW Fastenal) used to be Craftsman Industrial "Dealers".

As for retail store warranty...it would depend. I've had some CMan industrial stuff warrantied at the local store (When there was a store) with no issue, but it was always "standard stuff". If you walked in with an Industrial Finish, 3/4" Drive RP Rat...I could see & understand how things could go south for you because the Industrial side had lots of items not available to "consumers"...Industrial Finish 3/4" Sockets, etc...

Long story short, I wouldn't touch it either...I wouldn't touch anything with the CMan name on it today....slowly & surely purging myself.

To answe the OP question, CMan industrial is a marketing exercise.

It is not overly relevant to most people here because of this.

The program lacks corporate backing and warranty is sketchy at best.

Consumers buying industrial tools are not really a good fit

Industrial tool distributors/suppliers are not set up to cater to retail clients.

It makes sense to use these products only when they represent exceptional value

or their are no other realistc equivalents on the market

But CMAN industrial tools don't hardly ever meet this basic threshold test.

Best to invest your time/money/relationships elsewhere.

Exceptions to this rule of thumb inevitably exist, bust in most cases just proove the rule

TLDR = Caveat Emptor

T45 said:

To answe the OP question, CMan industrial is a marketing exercise.

It is not overly relevant to most people here because of this.

The program lacks corporate backing and warranty is sketchy at best.

Consumers buying industrial tools are not really a good fit

Industrial tool distributors/suppliers are not set up to cater to retail clients.

It makes sense to use these products only when they represent exceptional value

or their are no other realistc equivalents on the market

But CMAN industrial tools don't hardly ever meet this basic threshold test.

Best to invest your time/money/relationships elsewhere.

Exceptions to this rule of thumb inevitably exist, bust in most cases just proove the rule

TLDR = Caveat Emptor

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Best to invest your time/money/relationships elsewhere.

Where would you suggest to people to go and buy tools? Why are you so opposed to them?

Al Borland said:

I REALLY wanna kick Mitt in the magic underpants!
The stuff Bain does would make Gordon Gecko blush with shame...

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Need to get off those ******** media talking points about Mitt and Bain Capital. It is not 2012 anymore and even then, old Mitt has had not been involved with anything Bain has done in many years.

Also, contrary to the "Capitalism is Evil" mantra the media and liberals would like you to think of Bain Capital, they do not buy healthy companies, they buy companies that are on the ropes and would have gone under anyways had they not stepped in. The simple fact is Bain Capital has been a positive jobs provider of actually saving what little USA jobs that can be done here profitable and shipped or sold off the rest to other entities that may or may not keep the product here.

Magic underpants? Do those have something to do with being a polygamist?

I love threads like this! Very quaint

I have seen all sorts of tools at Sears stamped with:
1. Sears
2. Craftsman
3. Craftsman 'Sears Best'
4. Craftsman Professional
5. Craftsman Industrial
6. Craftsman Evolv
7. Companion

I have had no issues from my Craftsman Professional USA combo wrenches I bought 10 years ago.

drink said:

Best to invest your time/money/relationships elsewhere.

Where would you suggest to people to go and buy tools? Why are you so opposed to them?

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Lifetime warranty is a bait and switch marketing tactic when you have declining quality over time. That's simply a bulshit warranty.

There are many places to buy better tools these days. I have some USA Cman in my box and am happy with it. But I also know those tools are either from their professional line (no longer available) or NOS usa (no longer available).

And even the NOS stuff I had to but from open stock because the quality control is so bad. I brought close-tolerance hardware to the store and tested each size in 4 or 5 different pieces and bought the units with the best bolt fitments. This was enouh obvious variation in fit and finish that this was a useful exercise.

Still, i don't knock the quality of stuff they still sell/relabeled like usa Vaugn hammers or Lang rethreader kits (again no warranty tho) or knipex pliers etc. Hopefully the keep this stuff in catalog.

T45 said:

Hopefully the keep this stuff in catalog.

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The real issue is "I'm surprised there's a catalog at all"
IMHO don't think Sears will make it to 2020. Who buys the Craftsman name at the auction/liquidation is the real question.

Spudland_Dave said:

The real issue is "I'm surprised there's a catalog at all"
IMHO don't think Sears will make it to 2020. Who buys the Craftsman name at the auction/liquidation is the real question.

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Craftsman was split off from Sears a few years ago. It's now it's own division of Sears Holdings LTD. So when Sears' retail division goes belly up, Craftsman will be able to carry on through it's sales agreements with K-mart (the owner of Sears Holdings) and marketing agreements with Ace Hardware and any other retailer they can get to carry the brand. If you think warranty/replacement is difficult now, just wait until you have to prove to individual retailers that you made your purchase at their store.

T45 said:

Lifetime warranty is a bait and switch marketing tactic when you have declining quality over time. That's simply a bulshit warranty.

There are many places to buy better tools these days. I have some USA Cman in my box and am happy with it. But I also know those tools are either from their professional line (no longer available) or NOS usa (no longer available).

And even the NOS stuff I had to but from open stock because the quality control is so bad. I brought close-tolerance hardware to the store and tested each size in 4 or 5 different pieces and bought the units with the best bolt fitments. This was enouh obvious variation in fit and finish that this was a useful exercise.

Still, i don't knock the quality of stuff they still sell/relabeled like usa Vaugn hammers or Lang rethreader kits (again no warranty tho) or knipex pliers etc. Hopefully the keep this stuff in catalog.

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Catalog? They haven't had a catalog in years, it is a dodo bird and the stores are right behind it.

Speaking of catalogs, here's a copy of the 2014-2015 CI catalog. A distributor should be able to explain where to find a current catalog if available.

http://www.e-digitaleditions.com/i/299205-tools-2014-2015/116

I know Applied Industrial Technologies (Ait) whose is an industrial supplier whose sales rep stops by my manufacturing plant has had Craftsman Industrial catalogs (mostly Waterloo Magnum Toolboxes / fliers with him a few times in the last few years. Our sales rep is an idiot so I just keep climbing on the Matco/SnapOn/MAC trucks that pull into our lot.

I also thought Fastenal was dealing Craftsman Industrial too.

TheGrooveking

TheGrooveking said:

I know Applied Industrial Technologies (Ait) whose is an industrial supplier whose sales rep stops by my manufacturing plant has had Craftsman Industrial catalogs (mostly Waterloo Magnum Toolboxes / fliers with him a few times in the last few years. Our sales rep is an idiot so I just keep climbing on the Matco/SnapOn/MAC trucks that pull into our lot.

I also thought Fastenal was dealing Craftsman Industrial too.

TheGrooveking

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I've purchased tools from AIT in Colorado. I thought they did a good job. If a tool factory begins downsizing and gets flooded it is not the tool dealer's fault. The CI tools are supposed to be made better than the regular Craftsman tools. Why are so many people so critical of made in USA tools? Do they ever say anything negative about the offshore tools? Is anyone willing to pay the price for CI tools and how many dealers will sell them at a decent price? Does AIT offer decent pricing on CI tools? They had decent pricing on the USA tool I bought from them in the past.

Hootbro said:

Need to get off those ******** media talking points about Mitt and Bain Capital. It is not 2012 anymore and even then, old Mitt has had not been involved with anything Bain has done in many years.

Also, contrary to the "Capitalism is Evil" mantra the media and liberals would like you to think of Bain Capital, they do not buy healthy companies, they buy companies that are on the ropes and would have gone under anyways had they not stepped in. The simple fact is Bain Capital has been a positive jobs provider of actually saving what little USA jobs that can be done here profitable and shipped or sold off the rest to other entities that may or may not keep the product here.

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First, Capitalism is NOT evil.
Secondly, whether Mitt is still involved or not, he started Bain. He is responsible for it's existence. It's like Frankenstein and his monster - forever associated.
Third, I'm not even close to being a liberal.
I just think the idea of kicking someone in the magic underpants is funny,
and Mitt Romney is the Republican version of Al Gore
Now back to your regularly scheduled programming

drink said:

Why are so many people so critical of made in USA tools? Do they ever say anything negative about the offshore tools? Is anyone willing to pay the price for CI tools and how many dealers will sell them at a decent price? .

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http://http://ponchoperfection.com