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Rockwell Model 14 Bandsaw Restoration

jon_beer

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Hi All,

Longtime lurker first time poster. I just picked up a Rockwell Model 14 Bandsaw that I'm doing a full restoration on - including a new paint job. Its the Rockwell 28-240, some of you may be familiar with it. I bought it in relatively new condition although I am updating most things:
- new tires
- link belt
- ceramic guide blocks
- longer tensioner handle
- Iturra tension spring
- New bearings for the motor

At this stage I've got it disassembled, cleaned/degreased, and primed.
Here's the paint job plans:


Here are some pics.
Home in the garage:


Testing out some color schemes:


Finding the right green...this is Duplicolor clover green on the left and Rustoleum Hunter Green on the right. Decided that neither works:


Opted instead for this (X-O Rust Saftey Green, next to some inspiration) Other colors are Cream and Charcoal:


As I said it's primed now and I hope to get the base colors on tonight. More to come!
 
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JON: welcome to the forum. looks like you might need some help with the color? or are you just talking out loud telling us your options? I've always said if you want to restore a machine or tool for yourself pick a color you like to look at instead of restoring it to original or a color somebody else likes. if you are selling it then yes find the colors that sell the best.

you'd be amazed how well the bright SNAP ON Green paint looks and sells and makes it easy to find your tools. I personally like BLO (Boiled linseed oil) on all my vises either over a clean up to bare steel or over the top of original paint after it's cleaned up.

I don't have an opinion on the color you should use, but still wanted to welcome you to the group and Garage Journal. we are a good bunch and you should find many like minded guys (and gals) here that have the same love for old tools as you seem to have.

good luck
 
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Thanks for the warm welcome, Drivesitfar!

I have the color picked out - it took 5 different greens to find one that I liked and felt right in the design scheme. I was avoiding having to mix the color myself (but really avoiding having to clean the HVLP gun between coats.):lol:

Good to know about the BLO - it's a product Ive used a lot as a painter (trained in Fine Art) and as a woodworker. Do you find that it attracts dust and metal as it ages and gets tacky? I use a dry lube on my table saw and was thinking that for the guide assemblies on the bandsaw that I'd use that.
 
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Beginning to paint! Cream going on first over automotive primer. I'll give it two coats inside and out, then mask for the green.



I also refinished the cast iron table. I used maroon and teal 3M hook and look pads on my orbital sander and buffed it with Flitz Polish. Pretty happy with how it turned out.


 

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JON: looks great and glad we all helped you pick that color today. :evil:

as far as BLO attracting dirt, dust, debris yes it does. there are a few ways to avoid that. one is to put it on when it's really hot outside and let the coats get dry and hardened. some of the guys have smokers and ovens and prefer to use them outside when baking on BLO because it can smell pretty bad I hear.

another way to keep your dirt and dust out of the slide of a vise for instance is putting a clean or oily rag under the vise jaws if you are cutting or filing above the slide to keep stuff from creeping inside your vise. as for other tools a little pre thinking will help clean up too.

as far as you table on your bandsaw you can put BLO on it and see for yourself if it keeps the rust at bay and if you like the color and shine. there are other methods to keep rust at bay and if you ask or look around here others have their favorites like Bioshield, Corosion X, Fluid Film, ETC...


again welcome and if you need some help just ask and hopefully one of the members will help you if they see the questions.

cheers (ice tea for me)
 

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Excellent choice on colors! That will look great once it's done.

Also, I really like the brick in your shop.
 

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Nice choice of colors, I just happened up on this thread while sitting at the computer, I'm usually on my tablet and it only lets me see "participated threads" that's why I asked you to link to it after reading your post in my projects thread. Where do you get the XO paint, love that safety green color!
 
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@Yaidunno - thanks! thanks for taking a look! I've been following your restorations for a while, and they are very nice. My shop is a carriage house that's attached to our house. We live in a 7,000 sq ft Queen Anne Victorian that we also rent out (6 units all together including ours.) I'm hopefully starting to build out the garage in the next few weeks so stay tuned. The brick is pretty but cold as hell in the NE winters. Part of the build out will be firring out walls and insulating so I can work in the winter.

@Nine - Thanks man! I've been really digging your restos as well. Esp the gold and black grinder! In New York all the True Value hardware stores carry XO. I have no particular brand alliance to them, they just got me as close to the green swatch I'd been dreaming of. I looked thru Krylon, Rustoleum, Valspar, Duplicolor, Hammerite but that green was the ticket.

More pics hopefully tomorrow.
 

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I recently picked up a Delta Rockwell 14" bandsaw model 28-200, I'm really interested in how yours comes out, I want to restore mine when time allows, even though its in pretty decent shape, looks like you got a real good start. I'm subscribing :thumbup:

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Thanks jon_beer, I'll have to check my local trye value stores, green is my fave color but I'm picky so it can't just be any green... [emoji38]

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@BearsFan - Thanks! Yeah in my research I've realized just how similar these models are, cant wait to see what you do with yours!

@Nine - there are some pretty new Krylon colors too...some beautiful tones that would make for some very unique looking machines. Maybe in my future...

So the fun part starts...I've been trying to put a few hours each night after work into getting this thing back together. So I did some masking and sprayed the first coat of green! :bounce:

I like to use a flexible drafting tape for the curves and then mask with blue tape or masking tape + paper. Lots of curves in this, so put on some good music and be patient.




GREEN!


Using some highly technical painting supports.




Second coat tomorrow and then the green stripes.
 
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Thanks, Bears!

I took the tape off to check out how everything came out - pretty good! Have a few small touch ups to do before I do the green stripes. The areas with plastic drafting tape did the best. I think that regular masking tape is good for holding paper but not much else. For clean edges plastic drafting tape or frog tape is hands down the winner.




Really happy with how 90% of the curves came out! The belt guard was a real pain to mask and thats pretty much all I need to touch up. Gotta be even more meticulous on curves that move in two axis....props to all your car painters who deal with this on a regular basis! :bowdown:

Didn't have the energy to do anything other than take the tape off (didnt want to risk it peeling the previous layers off.) Tomorrow is gonna be another long day at work but I hope to get the masking done at least.

But tonight its....:beer:
 

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Wow! The paint turned out great! I'm with you on the Frog Tape too, it's one product that does what it claims, much better than standard masking tape, it is worth the $8.00 a roll asking price. Keep posting :beer:
 

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Looks terrific and love the color scheme. I, too, have a Delta 14 that is awaiting rebuild and restore. I am color disabled :Help: so I generally need a color consultant or need to copy someone else's good choice of color scheme ... this is the best I have seen for the 14" bandsaw :rocker: Subscribed for more ...
 
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Hey everyone - made some progress tonight - got the stand cleaned and sprayed the first coat of paint!

But two steps forward, one step back...so I thought I'll tackle replacing the motor bearings tonight too! The originals are Hoover-NSK 6203Z. So I bought replacements on Ebay, 6203 ZZ (means they are shielded on both sides instead of one.) Other than that they are supposedly identical. Pulled the old ones off and went to go put the new ones on except they are too big for the shaft! Maybe by 1/64! :eyecrazy:

They came from USA Bearings and Belt. Here's the link to the item

Obviously I have to return them. My question is - what do I do? Should I take the chance and order from McMaster Carr and hope they fit? :headscrat
 

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It's a mistake I've run into myself on two separate occasions. They come in standard and metric ID, you ordered the wrong ones going by part number. I would keep them for future use and order the correct ones. IIRC, one is 5/8 and the other is 15mm, just a cooter hair difference but they're not interchangeable.

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@Nine Thanks man, I'm realizing now that the motor has a 5/8 shaft.

McMaster sells these, which are double shielded ID 5/8 OD 1 3/8, but measuring the old bearings (just with a tape measure at my desk) its giving me 1 1/2...

I'll check with my calipers in the morning but isnt that a problem?
 
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So I measured with my calipers this morning and it's even more confusing. ID of the old bearing is 5/8 but the OD is 1 9/16! The one McMaster Carr offers is 1 3/8 OD. Where do you all get your bearings online? Image1465747598.157842.jpgImage1465747615.786029.jpg


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That's strange. I get mine from ebay mostly, check around and seeif any have those measurements.

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A 6203 bearing is a 17x40x12 mm, regardless of manufacturer or seal configuration.

Your "1-9/16" measurement in reality is likely 40mm. If you plan on doing any bearing sizing in the future, I'd highly suggest getting a digital or dial caliper. These fits require accuracy down to .001" to get the right bearings.

Is there perhaps a small step on the 5/8" shaft where the bearing rides that bumps it up to the 17mm ID of the 6203 bearing? It's quite common when motor mfgs want to use a typical metric bearing, and have a standard size pulley.
 

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From OWWM.org..........

I was ordering some bearings last week (Monday) and talked briefly (because she was busy) to Lynne about the OWWMers buying bearings there. She told me that on Mondays, it is not unusual to talk to over twenty of us about bearings. She really enjoys the fact that we call and ask for her, and she is glad to help us however she can. I noticed a little desperation in her voice though, and asked her if there was anything we could do to make it easier for her. She was hesitant, but I told her we were willing (I took it upon myself to speak for everyone without consulting anyone) to help her if we can, and to please tell us how to make it easier for her. I think this is the gist of the problems she encounters:

I think Bob V. mentioned that Accurate sells in volume to motor shops and the like. They really don't make a lot of money selling two bearings at a time, but they do it because of Lynne's willingness to deal with us. Really, think about it. If you buy two bearings for $7.00 each, even if they make 100% profit on them, that is only $7.00 profit for the order, and they still have to process the order and ship it. I"m not saying buy more bearings than you need, but limit your call time to reflect the size of the order. How can you do that? The short answer is to do your homework before you call. Don't call and put Lynne on hold while you find your calipers and clean the bearing and measure it and then do it again with the other bearings. The long answer is:

Leave the phone on the hook.

If possible, have your old bearings in front of you when you call.

Have a cheapo set of calipers from HF or Enco in front of you.

Have a bearing interchange chart in front of you. Here is one Bob V. downloaded (thanks Bob!): http://www.owwm.com/files/PDF/FAQ/BearingID.pdf

Measure each bearing: The OD, ID and width of each race. Write them down in whatever measurement seems to be correct. Most bearings are metric sized, but there are special sizes out there that use inch sizes, even both on one bearing.

Note whether the inner race is wider than the outer race, and if it is on one side or both sides.

Note whether you want sealed, shielded, open, or a combination of them. Most of us use sealed for the lighter bearings used in woodworking tools.

If you can read the maker and #, look them up on a bearing interchange if possible. Don't worry too much about this, Lynne is pretty good at this. If you can't read the number, look up the sizes you have written down, and see if you can find a matching size.

Write down any questions you will need to ask her after you have her on the phone.

Have your customer number ready if you have one. If this is your first time ordering and you expect to order more in the future, you can have Lynne set up a account with your address/charge card info and she will give you a customer number and it will go faster the next time.

Decide how many you need of each size. If you can predict needing any other bearings in the near future, add them to the order now, because shipping is a big percentage when you only order a few bearings. I like to keep a good supply of bandsaw guide bearings and common motor bearings on hand. Lynne will ship using the USPS Small ($5.00) Flat Rate Box or any other size if you ask her, but only from the Chicago store, not the Dallas one.

Call Accurate and ask for Lynne. Remember, Mondays are a busy time for her, so be patient. If you don't have time to hold, give the order to another person if you have the numbers correct and have no questions, otherwise leave your phone number and she will call you back.

When Lynne gets on the phone, be polite but get down to business. Tell her you are one of the 'woodworking' guys/gals (she keeps a folder of our orders). Give her your name, address, credit card #, count and type of bearings you need. If you don't have all the info she needs, tell her you will call her back when you do. Remember, there is probably someone else holding on another line for her, so she really doesn't have time to wait for you to do a lot of looking/cleaning/measuring that could have been done before calling. That is me sounding snarky, not Lynne. She will try to answer any questions you have, and will call you back if she needs to research anything.

Tell her what your shipping preferences are. Remember they have a warehouse in the Dallas area for a lot, but not all, of their products. They are very good about getting things shipped quickly, you will be surprised.

Please don't read this as Lynne having any complaints or being in anyway frustrated with us. I could just tell that she could use a little more concise information from some of us to keep her orders moving and getting us the bearings we need. Lynne really enjoys talking and working with us, but she works for the owner and must make her time count for making money for him. I freely admit I am the world's worst at rambling on the phone, so count me as the worst offender out there, but I hope to clean up my act a little now. Let's take advantage of the great service and prices from Accurate by keeping the orders as easy as possible.


Accuratebearing.com
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Fax Toll Free 800-323-3116 or 630-543-2116
E-mail: [email protected]

Fax form in PDF format. Download and print for faxing an order: http://wiki.vintagemachinery.org/GetFil ... rform2.pdf
[Edit: I just noticed that I have I.D. and Bore for headings; they are the same so ignore one of them]
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A 6203 bearing is a 17x40x12 mm, regardless of manufacturer or seal configuration.

Your "1-9/16" measurement in reality is likely 40mm. If you plan on doing any bearing sizing in the future, I'd highly suggest getting a digital or dial caliper. These fits require accuracy down to .001" to get the right bearings.

Is there perhaps a small step on the 5/8" shaft where the bearing rides that bumps it up to the 17mm ID of the 6203 bearing? It's quite common when motor mfgs want to use a typical metric bearing, and have a standard size pulley.

Agreed that a 0.001" caliper is necessary in this case.

I have read that ball bearing technology was perfected first in Japan so a lot of standard sizes even in older USA equipment uses metric sized bearings. However, they sometimes retained inch shaft sizes. For example, the quill on my 1950's Craftsman drill press is a 6202 bearing but with a 5/8" (15.87mm) shaft size rather than a standard 15mm shaft. This bearing is knows as a 6202-5/8, sometimes also referred to a "special bore."

My guess is that you may have a 6203-5/8 bearing. Accurate bearing does carry those according to their catalog. If you are looking on eBay it may be shown as 6203-5/8 or as 5/8"x40x12
 
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JZiggym that's what I meant by standard and metric, it's actually "metric and special bore" with special bore being standard. Lots of good info being posted by all, hope the OP finds what he needs.

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Great restoration, I love the vintage color scheme.
I have a similar bandsaw from the 70's that needs a visit from the detailing fairies.
Subscribed :rocker:
 
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Thanks, JZiggy, Bears, Nine, MyOldTools, Yaidunno for your bearing help!
So mystery revealed, with the aid of .001 digital calipers I discovered that I indeed have a 6203 Z - 5/8 Special Bore! So, will order them tonight so I can get this motor back together!:bowdown::D

This week I have some long work days (in addition to doing renovations on my properties I work part time with a restoration carpenter), but I plan to put the final coat on the base tonight and then begin my reassembly tomorrow. The main body is just the green so I can put it together and get my work table a little cleared off. If I can make myself do even an hour each evening it slowly comes together.

I have this coming in the next few days too! My Rigid table saw has a base like that which I love and makes life easier in my shop.

 

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Good to hear that you got the bearing mystery solved!

If the original bearings didn't have the -5/8 at the end of the script, that would almost be some form of cruel and unusual punishment.

Looking forward to seeing this thing back together, as I'm sure you are as well.
 

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Awesome you figured it out and that base is really cool too! Gives me ideas for a couple of my machines.

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Interested to see how your mobile base turns out. I need to figure out a good caster base solution for my Jed Clampett style bandsaw rig.
 
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Hey everyone, thanks for the encouragement and suggestions! Grabbed a little time with my Model 14 lady tonight and got going on the stripes! Here ya go.

Some touch ups with cream and then onto the dark pinstripes!





Enjoy your evening everyone, its almost Friday! :rocker:
 

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Great work, lots of thought and detail going into that refurb, you should be proud using it for years to come!

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Only a small update - my new bearings courtesy of Accurate Bearing (thanks everyone who recommended them!) and the mobile base arrived.

I've got one old bearing off and replaced, working on getting the other off. It's in a tight spot so I can't get my pullers behind it - so instead I'm doing some precision cut off disc work.

Once the bearing is off the motor is ready to go back together. Then I can finish putting the base together and get some parts back together. Black paint details next and then reassembly time!
 
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Hi all, sorry for the lack of updates. After two years of waiting I'm finally getting to do my shop renovation. I have a few big projects beginning soon (custom furniture and 2 sets of carriage house doors) so getting the shop up and running became a priority. Here are some pics.
Its a 16 x 30 garage probably built in the early 1900s. The house is 1890 I think this was a later edition.


Right after we moved in, getting some basic wiring going.


Clearing out the side and back to furr the walls plumb and level.


Walls framed with 1 1/2" hat channel. This is Tuesday or Wed last week, since then I've roughed in my outlets. OSB and sheetrock arriving today, will go up after I insulate.

During heavy rains I have had problems with seepage thru the back wall. So this weekend I dug out the tiny alley behind the garage (which was probably no wider than 14" at the most) cleaned off the concrete and formed up some knee walls.

Before - note shovel for scale


After


Gonna start a shop build thread now but hope you guys enjoy this. I'm so excited to be getting to the build out!
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