Mission Creep garage - 85x40 and some more...

Radix2 · Jun 16, 2016

I am a bit behind in posting a build thread since we are a month or two into construction - but at least the updates can move along for a while.

Background - I wanted to build my dream workshop and garage but the plans immediately got sidetracked by the local zoning requirements - the original plan was a 85x40 building with a 35/50 split in floor area for workshop/garage. Zoning here does not allow accessory building taller than the home.. the home is a ranch with a 5/12 roof.... needless to say it is not possible to build a good sized building under that height.

So plan B - connect the new building to the house and then it is part of the house, with no height restriction... so the first mission creep is to add a connecting addition that fulfilled another wish - for a outdoor kitchen - but making it indoors with a outdoorish/pub sorta theme.

So now it is connected to the house, and once you have a first floor and no height restriction... why not add some guest rooms... and since we want decent roof pitch to better shed the rain of leaves... heck add a room in the trusses too.

here is the basic plan - first floor - greatroom (outdoor kitchen substitute), workshop, garage. second floor - 2 bedrooms, bathroom, storage mezzanine connected to garage. third floor - home gym.

Radix2 · Jun 16, 2016

The foundation is a full footing frostwall type - 42in deep here. The frostwalls are built using ICFs. The first hiccup was coming to the conclusion that the far end of the garage would be just too low if we maintained the house floor height throughout as planned. So a step up was made from the workshop/garage part from the greatroom. There was enough sand that we did not have to bring any in once the grading and digging were complete.

rpenterics · Jun 16, 2016

subscribed, that's gonna be a lot of area, looks like a great location too

Radix2 · Jun 16, 2016

All of the slabs will have PEX pipes in them for heat.

The insulation plan calls for 2in of foam on the inside of the footings, the ICF forms insulating the frost walls, 3in of foam on the inside of the 6in block stem walls (to form a brick ledge).

Under the slab is 4in of foam for the first 4 feet from the edge, then 2 in of foam for the rest of the floor.

Pex is fastened down to the foam, wire mesh is laid on top of the pex. There are three zones with uponor manifolds. Total pex is 5000 linear feet - they put 1000 feet in the great room because of the large window loads.

Bib Overalls · Jun 16, 2016

Are the concrete blocks laid directly on top of the ICF frost walls?

Radix2 · Jun 16, 2016

Bib Overalls said:
Are the concrete blocks laid directly on top of the ICF frost walls?

Yes, they are mortared on top, offset to leave a brick ledge to the outside. Rebar pins were put in every block that gets a sill strap, then all the blocks were filled solid with mortar.

LXCam · Jun 17, 2016

Well this will be fun to see.

buildingup · Jun 17, 2016

Very interesting build and cant wait to see it done. I know what I was quoted for my 42 x 80 pole barn and can't even imagine the price tag on this let alone the tax increase with being attached to the home. Will look great once done though!

Bib Overalls · Jun 17, 2016

Radix2 said:
Yes, they are mortared on top, offset to leave a brick ledge to the outside. Rebar pins were put in every block that gets a sill strap, then all the blocks were filled solid with mortar.

Will that compromise the integrity of the insulation at the bottom of the walls?

Radix2 · Jun 17, 2016

Bib Overalls said:
Will that compromise the integrity of the insulation at the bottom of the walls?

We put 3in of foam on the inside of the block up to the floor height - the height of the block above the floor is 2in. The combined thickness of the wall will let me put a inch or so strip of foam down there behind the base molding. Not sure I have ever seen a real nice way to have full insulation when transitioning from a sill block to an insulated wood wall.

Radix2 · Jul 15, 2016

OK getting back to posting

I think I will go back a bit and put in a couple of renderings to show the basic look.

drivesitfar · Jul 15, 2016

RADIX: i had to see what you were building when i saw the size. i'll be here to see the progress and see if it gets close or maybe better looking than your drawings.

GOOD LUCK

Radix2 · Jul 15, 2016

After the pex went down, then the concrete
They did a nice job, clean, level and smooth. We had cool dry weather and the crew put down the entire 4000+ sq ft at one time.

Cris B · Jul 15, 2016

Wow, this is going to be mega once complete. Fingers crossed for a smooth, problem free build.

ADSR · Jul 15, 2016

very cool!

Richard Cranium · Jul 15, 2016

Wow, I would love to have that size, But I am sure I would fill it up with junk and need more space.....Great start.

Radix2 · Dec 19, 2016

OK, I am committing to getting this posted up. Obviously much has happened since I got sidetracked, but I know have the photos corralled and no excuses...

As we left off, the foundation and slabs were finished, you can see the manifolds set up for the three zones.

next is where we will attach to the house with a room to be used as a indoor/outdoor styled kitchen entertainment room.

As part of the addition, the electrical service needed some work. First, it was over the location of the addition, second, the original service was a 60A fuse panel...new service will be 400A. The electrical company came out and decided the 70 year old service needed some upgrading which greatly reduced my cost - no charge to move the pole (they replaced 4 poles at the same time, new transformer too.) I had to upgrade to an underground feed to the house and running that wire was my only cost. The new service enter at the addition to two 200A panels and all the old service becomes subpanels.

Wreckster · Dec 19, 2016

Subscribed, this should be awesome

metalhead140 · Dec 19, 2016

Nice.... I'm jealous, that's a great size!

TomcoPDR · Dec 19, 2016

Tuned in, the 3d rendering is awesome visual gives an idea what to expect.

Radix2 · Dec 19, 2016

I am going to try to get this posted and up to date over the holidays, so this will be a bit like one of those Netflix series binges - 7 months in a couple of weeks.

Finally, some walls going up. The first section is the workshop area 35x40. There is a good chunk lost for the stairwell and the bathroom. One of those things that maybe I would do differently if I had a chance...

If you look at the picture from the deck on top of the shop, you can see the party room a bit and the little bump out with steel framing...

matt_i · Dec 20, 2016

Great concept and waterfront as well! Looks like a lot of thought and planning went into your design :thumbup:

Radix2 · Dec 21, 2016

First shot is a view into the workshop and the cantilever for the landing into the storage area. The original plan was for about a third of the second floor to be a open mezzanine to the garage.

After some discussion with the building inspector on how to handle the firewall, insulation, etc....as well as some rethink about carrying a large amount of materials up there... you will see that the plan has evolved some.

Second shot is the large door from the garage to the workshop. This was framed as a 8x8. After some consideration and again the need for this door to be part of the firewall...you will see that in the end it became a 7x7 steel double door.

next shot is the start of the second floor - the full wall has been built and sided, next shot is the wall stood up with the skytrak

Radix2 · Dec 28, 2016

Moving along, after getting the second story walls up, work started on the party room - the construction is TJI rafters and a 7x18 parallam ridge beam. The plan is to finish the ridge beam to match the other interior woodwork in some semi rustic way... You can see the cat has no fear of walking around up there 18 feet off the cement.

Radix2 · Dec 28, 2016

Back wall of the garage going up, and you can see the garage access to the second story storage mezzanine and stair landing.

After the rest of the garage walls are up, the crane rolls in to install the trusses. Over the second story, the trusses are built to include an 18x35 third floor, over the garage, the trusses have a raised center - 8:12 on the top cord, 5:12 on the inside with a 13 foot wide flat center. sidewalls are 13.5 feet, the raised center is at 18.5 feet.

Radix2 · Dec 28, 2016

more crane truss action - it took 2 days to set them all..

the last shot shows how the inside of the garage roof is at the same height as the second floor ceiling, making the spaces flow together.

Bib Overalls · Dec 28, 2016

MacTexas · Dec 28, 2016

What a homestead and garage.

Blue Seducer · Jan 1, 2017

Very Impressive!!

J-man67 · Jan 1, 2017

Loving this!

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po28der · Jan 1, 2017

Wow looking good

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Keith_MN · Jan 2, 2017

Radix2 said:
OK, I am committing to getting this posted up. Obviously much has happened since I got sidetracked, but I know have the photos corralled and no excuses...

As we left off, the foundation and slabs were finished, you can see the manifolds set up for the three zones.

next is where we will attach to the house with a room to be used as a indoor/outdoor styled kitchen entertainment room.

As part of the addition, the electrical service needed some work. First, it was over the location of the addition, second, the original service was a 60A fuse panel...new service will be 400A. The electrical company came out and decided the 70 year old service needed some upgrading which greatly reduced my cost - no charge to move the pole (they replaced 4 poles at the same time, new transformer too.) I had to upgrade to an underground feed to the house and running that wire was my only cost. The new service enter at the addition to two 200A panels and all the old service becomes subpanels.

This is going to be a great space.

If the old electrical service was ran in the location of the addition, how did you keep power to the house while the building was under construction, before the new service could be installed?

lowpro64 · Jan 2, 2017

All I can say is.....Ah...........damn.
Zim

Radix2 · Jan 3, 2017

Keith_MN said:
This is going to be a great space.

If the old electrical service was ran in the location of the addition, how did you keep power to the house while the building was under construction, before the new service could be installed?

The way the service is set up is with a transformer on the lot line feeding 4 houses from a secondary line that runs across the properties. The old service drop to the house was on the side opposite the addition.

So Step 1 was to replace/move the transformer overhead line/pole that was in the way the old drop was not effected.
Step 2 was to run the new underground service to the panels in the addition ( they ran a second meter for that).
Step 3 was to remove the old service drop and meter and connect the old panels to the new ones.

Had a computer snafu, more pictures coming soon.

Radix2 · Jan 11, 2017

Here is a shot from the lakeside to see how it flows with the rest of the house and how the attic trusses are set up. Next shot is the party room facade- through that is the workshop. The doorwall is 8x16.

The rest are just a bit of a walk around to see the overall layout.

drivesitfar · Jan 11, 2017

RAD: looks like you are making great progress. i know at times when you post pictures and questions and maybe don't get any responses it seems like nobody is looking, but we are and maybe just don't have the answers. keep posting pictures as you have time and loving your progress.

take care and best of luck

ravz · Jan 11, 2017

Looks fantastic.. subscribed!!

1953mercury · Jan 11, 2017

Nice. Interesting truss arrangement. Mike

Maddog10 · Jan 11, 2017

Subbed... What a structure!

country boy · Jan 11, 2017

Man this is a awesome looking build. keep up the pics.

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