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Tools found inside Hotchkiss M1909 Benet-Mercie MG ammo box

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As I reported on the toolbox thread, I found a Hotchkiss M1909 Benet-Mercie machine gun ammo box the other day, filled with old tools. EDIT: See Thumbnails below for box photos.

I thought I would share the contents.

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The only two items that are not the same vintage as the box (WWI to 1930’s) is the tri-fold 12” rule and the feeler gage. Those seem to have been put in the box in the 40’s. But everything else is primitive and in very well-preserved condition, as if they were sitting in the box - which is very well sealed - for a long, long time.

I'm not saying it's a particular tool-set. The variety defies that kind of definition. But they are an interesting mix. If tools could talk, I'd like to know what kind of work this old-timer was doing.

Engineers wrenches for machinery, special multi-wrenches for various size valves and plugs, and special pliers and needles for wire and upholstery/saddlery work. But there’s also a sharpening stone, two pyramid-tip soldering irons, a cleaver hook, nippers with special handle ends (pry, pestle), and a flat file with a homemade handle, which suggest some kind of fabrication (blacksmithing/welding). And I can’t figure out the measuring tool on the right between the modern feeler gage and the multi-wrenches. I thought it might be a primitive sliding inside caliper rule, that a machinist would use, but nothing slides. The set screw holds a square piece inside a slot. The rest of the piece is a 3-inch rule. Anybody know?

No idea what the parts are in the middle.

Makes --- The monkey wrench is a COES. The engineers’ wrenches are Vlchek (no name, just the {V} shield logo on the shank), Mossberg (M), and an unbranded wrench with a model or spec number “Q1191DB40” forged into the shank. The S-wrench is a Billings & Spencer marked “2025” with the /B\ logo on the shank and the first generation brand on the face of the larger jaw. None of the multi-wrenches are branded. Neither are the soldering irons, the hook, the hand auger, or the sharpening stone. The 10” flat file, smooth cut, is a J.B. SMITH. (Pretty sure they were bought, like nearly all the rest of the small regional file makers in the US, by Nicholson in the interwar years.) The spike has a name, “WARD,” on it. The pliers are marked “LODI” and “PAT. SEP. 25 1894 / RE. NOV.6.1900”. I know from owning other upholstery/leather working tools bearing that mark, including a rotating belt punch, that it is made by Wm. Schollhorn. The special 8-inch nippers were made in Germany by Herculanum.

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The piece you are trying to figure out is a strap cutter. A blade goes inside the slot, and is held by the screw. Proper name is a draw gauge.
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Lug, that spike is a tang-handled firmer or mortice chisel, missing its handle. in addition to "Ward," you can see "cast steel," a logo (crossed hammers over anvil?), and "England."
That is a premium woodworking tool. That would explain the sharpening stone. This tool group seems to cover wood, leather, and metal working. Maybe the military box is not a red herring? Mule-powered wagon/cart (caisson?) maintenance?
 
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The combo wrench at the top right bears a close resemblance to a wrench supplied with BMW motorcycles. My '76 and '83 both came with one - the closed end is for the fork tube caps. It could well be contemporary with many of the other tools - BMW was slow to change in the early years.

And the Herculaneum is a hoof trimmer, according to SWMBO, who knows a lot more than I about critters. Also goes with the mule-drawn wagon theory.
 
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Lug, that spike is a tang-handled firmer or mortice chisel, missing its handle. in addition to "Ward," you can see "cast steel," a logo (crossed hammers over anvil?), and "England."
That is a premium woodworking tool. That would explain the sharpening stone. This tool group seems to cover wood, leather, and metal working. Maybe the military box is not a red herring? Mule-powered wagon/cart (caisson?) maintenance?

The box is definitely an ammo box, not a toolbox, but, I have always considered the majority of the tools to be contemporary to the box (after it was surplussed), and possibly armorer's related. See my first post on this box in the Garage Sale thread. The box itself is meant to be lashed to a cart, caisson, pack mule, or horse, through the built-in pins. So I am definitely with you on that possibility.

Thanks for the close reading and ID on the mortice chisel!

The combo wrench at the top right bears a close resemblance to a wrench supplied with BMW motorcycles. My '76 and '83 both came with one - the closed end is for the fork tube caps. It could well be contemporary with many of the other tools - BMW was slow to change in the early years.

And the Herculaneum is a hoof trimmer, according to SWMBO, who knows a lot more than I about critters. Also goes with the mule-drawn wagon theory.

Thanks, BFBOB. I forgot to mention that when I distinguished the modern pieces. The piece to the left of it is also more modern. Looks to be vehicular. 1930's.

Thanks for the ID on the hoof trimmer!
 

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I saw a cast iron, complete version of the leather cutter at the flea yesterday. If I'd known that you were going to find the clamp/ruler part, I would have taken a picture of it. At least I got a nice pipe wrench from the seller.
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The piece to the left of it is also more modern. Looks to be vehicular. 1930's.

In the first photo, in the upper right corner, the round cast iron piece with the tubular extension appears to be a manual transmission front bearing retainer and throwout bearing guide. Common design on most all '30s-'90s trannies.

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I saw a cast iron, complete version of the leather cutter at the flea yesterday. If I'd known that you were going to find the clamp/ruler part, I would have taken a picture of it.
That's quite a koinkydink, huh, Don? Thanks for the thought, anyway. This one is also cast iron, and I'm pretty sure the piece inside the slot is either the sleeve of the blade or what's left of the blade itself.

In the first photo, in the upper right corner, the round cast iron piece with the tubular extension appears to be a manual transmission front bearing retainer and throwout bearing guide.
Yeah that's the part I was referring to. I think you're right, Jack. I'm no ****** guy, but I did have a Warner Gear T-84 apart recently, and I can see a mainshaft, main bearing and snap rings and spacers being fitted here.

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It has a "GM10" (assuming General Motors) and "607403" (part number) forged into the outside.
 

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That draw gauge part looks very much like an old Osbourn, they used that style of pierced screw. it looks to have been cut down as they usually were 4" plus a small extension. The item between the pliers and chisel looks to be an old plow plane blade.
 

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Fourth from the bottom looks like an old iron for cutting a tongue from an old wooden plane. A separate plane would cut a matching groove.
Ward chisels were known for keeping a superior edge.
 
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