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My Old Man's Dream Shop

jeremy_cherokee

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I'm going to start my personal build thread here soon, however, my dad finally got to build his dream shop and I thought I'd share.

A little background. My dad and I, I'm pretty sure, were born with gasoline in our veins. We're always finding projects, whether it be on a car, our houses, or anything in between. We live about 20 minutes from each other now so that we're far enough to have some space but close enough our kids to get to spend a lot of time with papa and nana. My parents have had a bad tenancy to move around (Just in the last 20 years ... they lived in a small town near us for 7 years, moved to another house within that town for 5 years, then moved to another town for 2 years, another town for 2 years, and now I think they have FINALLY found a place to settle down. They've had some really neat houses when they were moving around but they were HUGE houses and they just don't need that space anymore. So, around November last year they moved in to an older home that better fits them, sits on about an acre, and had room for the one thing my dad hasn't had in at least 5 years (since their second house in the first town) ... a shop.

The house they moved into needed some updating. The people who built it in 1960 (I think) had not changed a single thing in the 50+ years they lived there. It was all in great shape, but was definitely showing its age. So, last year he did new hard wood flooring, put in an office and a bedroom downstairs, put new tile in the entry way and basement, and painted every room of the house. Then this year we learned that the PO wasn't necessarily truthful about "never having water damage" and we got the pleasure of installing a tile system outside right before the shop started. Here's a picture of the "in progress" tile system - we were able to use an excavator for most of it but the old man was too worried about the utilities and hand dug this huge section by himself (Telling the old man he can't do something is about as useful as telling one of my two year olds to stay inside because I'm tired):

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And a couple other pics. We all know he was having more fun than work in the little excavator.

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Then my kids got to help papa use the tractor (didn't get a good pic of my daughter but little man is always ready to ride the tractor):

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Shop Specs: The shop will be a 28x30 post frame built by QSI with 12' walls, scissor trusts (thank you Garage Journal for helping me convince him of that), a single 10'x12' door, a passenger door, and 2 windows. We'll dig out a hole for the hoist that we can hopefully install later this year (I need struts on my car and man would a hoist be nice for that) and he dug out a drain. The inside will have matching metal wainscoting along the bottom 4', will be insulated, and have sheetrock along the top 8' of wall. We're still debating how to handle the roof.

Finally, getting that all out of the way, we got to see some progress. When my dad got the quotes for dirt, they originally quoted him $9,000 for dirt (they said $100/load and "at least 80-90 loads"). That seemed a little ridiculous so he asked around and found the guy that the original quoter hires out. Then we found out that that guy contracts out another guy - the actual person doing the work. So we got ahold of him and ended up getting it down to around 48 loads at $45/load. So, yeah, that first guy was WAY off. here's a few weeks ago when all the dirt (it took longer than we originally thought but was done in time):

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Once the dirt showed up we called QSI and within a couple days we had all the supplies:

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Once the supplies were there we called up QSI and they sent out their contractors. It was I think 2 or 3 adults and 2 of their kids (probably 14 or 16 and probably 18). They were awesome. They got the whole thing framed in a day:

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Then they came back on Monday (they started on a Friday) and had the whole thing finished, minus concrete:

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I cannot give enough complements to the guys that built this place. QSI has some good contractors. Their sales guy was a little annoying - very unresponsive. But the people doing the work have been fantastic.

There was about a week and a half delay on the concrete and, naturally the one day my dad couldn't be there, they showed up. Took 2 trucks and a few guys but they worked until 10:30PM and got the whole thing done (cut and everything) in a day:

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Here's the inside of it completely finished:

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I had been storing a lot of his stuff in my shop area so we got that all brought up the weekend before last and started hanging interior walls.

We are building 2x4 walls in between the posts for the frame. We're putting in a vapor barrier and it'll be insulated. Not sure if we'll get the OK from the real boss to do the sheetrock and panels along the bottom this year or not, but here's some more progress pics.

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It sounds like the old man got some more of the walls put up over the weekend while I was celebrating my birthday via poker and some adult beverages ... and a little yard work :beer: I'll try and get some more pics this week.

His plans for layout are like this:

The big door will have the hoist centered to it, a little bit toward the back of the garage. The corner by the passenger door will be a wood working area and then the opposite corner will have a work bench and store his tools. He was a GM mechanic for 13 years or so "back in the day" so he's got some pretty nice tools, I'm sure he's excited to have them back in what BETTER be their final home
 
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Talked to the old man last night and we are talking about how to do the interior walls. What we're thinking is the bottom 4 feet doing the same tin as the exterior walls. This will allow for us to wash the floor if needed. Then do the outlets on top of that and use a 1x6 or something (painted) around the outlets. This allows us to add outlets in the future easily by just removing a wood panel and adding the necessary power. Then sheetrock above that. I think, as long as we do it nicely, it could be a neat way to do it.
 

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awesome, looks like a great shop, but get that friggen compressor out of there :), will drive you crazy inside the shop.
 
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Nice build and quick too. Not too big to heat and cool also

Please continue posting on the progress and the ongoing projects.

Thanks! Will do. Hopefully get to start my own build thread here soon. He's thinking about getting one of those AC/Heater things because they aren't too expensive and could get him ready for all year.

His big hold up now is getting someone to run the power from the pole to his shop. He's called a few people and no one responds ... apparently it's not enough money for them???

awesome, looks like a great shop, but get that friggen compressor out of there :), will drive you crazy inside the shop.

Thanks! Oh man - you're telling me. I have tried, repeatedly, to get him to pour a little pad on the East (Right) side of the shop and just pipe the compressor in but he's not convinced. He's had it in his garage and used it like that for probably 14 years now and I think he's just content with going deaf :dunno:
 

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Curious as to why you wouldn't Pre-insulate between the metal and frame? Reason for the question is, I am almost to this point and have pondered on the exact same scenario. Insulation with metal, or insulate after when we stick frame the inside.

best regards,
 

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Are you installing the plastic on the outside of the stud wall? That will cause condensation problems. Plastic always goes on the warm side of the insulation.
 
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Curious as to why you wouldn't Pre-insulate between the metal and frame? Reason for the question is, I am almost to this point and have pondered on the exact same scenario. Insulation with metal, or insulate after when we stick frame the inside.

best regards,

Our goal is to run the wiring behind the frame as to avoid drilling a bunch of holes in the studs. I think the real reason we decided to go this way is just habit. We've built a lot of basements and other garages and we've always framed and then insulated - old habits are hard to break.

Are you installing the plastic on the outside of the stud wall? That will cause condensation problems. Plastic always goes on the warm side of the insulation.

See - I told him this and he didn't believe me. I'll bring this up to him because I swore that's how you were supposed to do it. That's how I did my basement, too.
 

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Curious as to why you wouldn't Pre-insulate between the metal and frame? Reason for the question is, I am almost to this point and have pondered on the exact same scenario. Insulation with metal, or insulate after when we stick frame the inside.

best regards,

My building "package" from Adam's Truss included 1" "AgBoard." It went over the purlins and gurts and all of the seams were taped. Then the metal was screwed down through the insulation. I'm thinking it gave me 6R or so. When I finished out the inside I used 1.5" foam board from demolished chicken houses. One layer between the perlins/girts and one layer on top of that for about 20R. I used spray closed cell foam on the ceiling.

If I was doing it today I would have done the wall framing before the metal went on. Then I would have 2" of foam sprayed in the cavities. I would spray the ceiling as well. After the electric cables and other hidden utilities are in place I would use conventional unfaced fiberglass batts and finish out as desired. With this kind of insulation you need to insure that the walls and ceiling can breath. 1/4" gaps between the walls and ceilings and the same along the roof peak.
 
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My building "package" from Adam's Truss included 1" "AgBoard." It went over the purlins and gurts and all of the seams were taped. Then the metal was screwed down through the insulation. I'm thinking it gave me 6R or so. When I finished out the inside I used 1.5" foam board from demolished chicken houses. One layer between the perlins/girts and one layer on top of that for about 20R. I used spray closed cell foam on the ceiling.

If I was doing it today I would have done the wall framing before the metal went on. Then I would have 2" of foam sprayed in the cavities. I would spray the ceiling as well. After the electric cables and other hidden utilities are in place I would use conventional unfaced fiberglass batts and finish out as desired. With this kind of insulation you need to insure that the walls and ceiling can breath. 1/4" gaps between the walls and ceilings and the same along the roof peak.

Good to know. I think right now he's not 100% sure what he's going to do with the insulation. As of last night, I explained to him that I'm not the only one that thinks the plastic should go out the outside of the studs, so I'm hoping he's going to rip it down and put it on the inside, as it should be. Then there's about 1 1/2" gap between the wall and the metal - those insulation sheets would have been a good idea to put back there. I'll have to see if I can talk him into finding a way to add those.
 
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Made some progress in the 90+ degree heat and humidity on Monday. Rented a bobcat and started prepping the ground for the retaining wall around the shop.

I had absolutely no idea what I was doing but we made some progress despite that.

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The corners of the dirt were packed so hard the skid loader was barely scraping it. I think it was more fear of being on a pretty steep hill in a machine I had never used before than actually not being able to break through, but I got the "pleasure" of using the pick ax to get the corner knocked out enough for the skid loader

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Then the old man had to take control and get some work done

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Along the bottom of the shop on the North and West side we're running pieces of sheet metal to help keep the water away from the foundation of the shop. I think it's more of a "we have the steel so let's use it" than we are actually afraid of there being issues there.

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I'll take some pics of what we were able to get done on the retaining wall tonight. We had a big journey on Tuesday/Wednesday that distracted us from the retaining wall. We spent all day Monday working on it and got about 50% done with just the bottom row. That dirt is packed tight and we are too OCD to not have the foundation stones about as close to perfectly level as they can get.
 
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Looks good!!!!

What type of retaining wall are you going to put up?

It's all stone. He looked at doing a wood one but he currently has one on the house and we aren't all that impressed with it. The stone looks like it should last longer and matches what is in the "neighborhood".
 

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Fantastic build, it looks like it'll be a great space. What are your plans for the ceiling? I'm putting scissor trusses up myself, and I've been looking around at different ideas.
 
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Fantastic build, it looks like it'll be a great space. What are your plans for the ceiling? I'm putting scissor trusses up myself, and I've been looking around at different ideas.

We're still kind of undecided. I'm trying to convince him to do spray in insulation because it'd be less work on a ladder for us. I'm not afraid of heights, but I'm not a big fan of climbing up and down a ladder a million times. I think, for this year, we'll just get the walls insulated and then worry about the ceiling after the winter.

Over the weekend we got the drainage installed for the retaining wall. Last week was the bottom row of the retaining wall and that took forever. The Old man finished up the bottom row while I was busy with other stuff and then on Saturday we were to make some more progress. Here's the drainage:

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The way it's setup is there's probably a good 12" or so of 1-2" river rock on top of that tube. Then toward the corner there's a little bit of dirt (you see in the picture below) but that only goes over maybe 10' or so. Then on top of the 1-2" river rock (and the dirt in the one section) the rest is filled with some of the extra gravel we had from another project and the rock used for the concrete. We were going to just fill it all with the left over gravel but some of it is really fine and we didn't want it to plug up the drain tube. I imagine we got some funny looks from the neighbor when we had probably 5 tons of gravel in the drive and then we bring in another 3 tons of river rock ... but they'll get over it :thumbup:

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And then where I left off on Saturday

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Sorry for the crappy pic. My old man worked some more on it Sunday but I won't see how far he got until later today. I really hope to never have to do a retaining wall again ... that bottom row was no fun at all. But its looking pretty good as we complete it.
 
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Looks like he made some progress yesterday. He has the top stones on the one side and made it up a littler further on the other:

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