Above 1200 Sq/FT Organizing the Family Shop

Perrorojo · Aug 31, 2016

This will be a fairly slow moving, long, process. My Father, Uncle, Son and I are starting the process of cleaning up our shop. This shop has been cleaned maybe twice since the early 80's and I've done both. We're finally to the point where we've decided to separate all the woodworking machinery from the rest of the metal shop and garage.
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This is the view from the west side. The tall section on the left is the garage. It's 30 x 40 with a 14' ceiling. It's got a two post lift and functions as the main work area. The Right side is the wood shop that is mostly being used for storage and currently houses a couple of my cars and lot of really heavy, old and amazing equipment.

vette66bob · Aug 31, 2016

Very interesting large area. Lets see more before photos

oldironfarmer · Aug 31, 2016

LOTS more photos.

ambenz · Aug 31, 2016

Ah, a neighbor!
Curious about your shop and the business too...do you do automotive repairs? ...make iron gates? ....make wood crates for business? .....maintain machinery for lawn care?
Diggin on your Thunderbird! ..very cool ride!

Zeke · Aug 31, 2016

So where does the woodworking machinery go? Should I expect a van in front of my house?

Perrorojo · Aug 31, 2016

Here's a couple photos to give you an idea of what I'm up against. Friends of the family like to sing the "Sanford and Son" theme at our place.

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Perrorojo · Aug 31, 2016

Zeke said:
So where does the woodworking machinery go? Should I expect a van in front of my house?

It's getting it's own building separate from the rest. It's too hard to keep metal debris from making its way to the blades.

We were originally going to just extend the building another 30' but were afraid it would be too easy to keep it from being overrun with "stuff"

Perrorojo · Aug 31, 2016

A couple years ago I started to clean up some of the land around the shop. I did a pretty decent job but nature reclaimed most of my work.

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Perrorojo · Aug 31, 2016

We had to move an old semi trailer and cut down a tree that had grown up under the current building.

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You're going to notice that the link belt has become a permanent fixture. That's because the 471 decided to develop several large cracks in the head when the coolant decided to take residence in the #3 cylinder.

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Perrorojo · Aug 31, 2016

Clearing the ground.

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Bib Overalls · Aug 31, 2016

I agree with separating your wood shop from your mechanical shop. Sawdust gets into everything. Curious about the "really heavy, old and amazing equipment" you have stashed. They say a picture is worth a thousand words and that is your cue to get snapping. :drool:

Perrorojo · Aug 31, 2016

We hired a local Amish crew that had done my Dad's personal shop up at his house.

The guy on the tractor is my 73yr old Father.

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Perrorojo · Aug 31, 2016

8 HOURS LATER WHEN I CAME BACK FROM WORK!!!

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Perrorojo · Aug 31, 2016

Bib Overalls said:
I agree with separating your wood shop from your mechanical shop. Sawdust gets into everything. Curious about the "really heavy, old and amazing equipment" you have stashed. They say a picture is worth a thousand words and that is your cue to get snapping.

My Great Grandfather was a guy named Don Endicott who own Endicott Church Furniture in Warsaw, IN. My Grandfather got to keep a planer, shaper, router, table saw, radial arm saw, band saw, very large belt sander and a machine that makes parts for hardwood passage doors that we're all scared to operate. I'll get some pictures as we clean.

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There's a bandsaw, planer and shaper in this picture
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Perrorojo · Aug 31, 2016

Day two of the build.

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Perrorojo · Aug 31, 2016

More day two and some day 3.

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And just like that they are done. 3 days from dirt to this.

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Perrorojo · Aug 31, 2016

And that brings us to today. Now starts the hard stuff. We've got to dig down for the insulation and concrete. The plan is for a heated slab with dust collection in the floor. We've done the heated floors in Dad's shop but the in floor dust collection system is my Uncle's idea and we'll see how that pans out.

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On a side note, this was our previous dust collection system.

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My grandpa converted an old commercial leaf vacuum into a sawdust cannon. I use to laugh so hard when he'd lean in too close to the machine and the vacuum would **** the hat off his head and shoot it twenty yards out into the sawdust pile.

captain14 · Aug 31, 2016

I am going to follow this thread. What projects do you have planes for the wood shop?

The open lean to on the right side. Is that going to be storage of some type?

Thanks

Zeke · Aug 31, 2016

Perrorojo said:
My Great Grandfather was a guy named Don Endicott who own Endicott Church Furniture in Warsaw, IN. My Grandfather got to keep a planer, shaper, router, table saw, radial arm saw, band saw, very large belt sander and a machine that makes parts for hardwood passage doors that we're all scared to operate. I'll get some pictures as we clean.

That 'scary' machine might be a sticker. Those do take a specialist in the form of a millwright. Hell of a great tool and a money maker if you can get it operable.

Why? Well, if it's a sticker, you can reproduce any molding that was ever made. Restoration folks are hot on that. I make moldings for restoration the hard way — one cut at a time.

egnorant · Aug 31, 2016

Love a good reclaim the shop and beat back the frontier story!

We do need lots of pictures so we can A. Drool over your stuff. B. Be encouraging of your progress while feeling bad about how little we have accomplished. C. Meet whatever shop critters you may have, invited or not. Shop dog is a plus! D. Nitpick your organizational choices.

A. Dang, Dozer, Excavator, Boom truck and 2 dump trucks!! That and half a case of beer and I could get a new Police report on me! 39 Ford and a classic T-Bird..NICE!

B. With 4 people on the job it will go fast or break up into a collection of conflicting ideas...or something in between. But I see that while I typed this, you put up an entire building!

C. Still only see 1 critter with the skull and crossbones T-shirt..but he may be a helper so he doesn't count.

D. Am I seeing an AC unit that blows cold in one shop and vents into another? Odd that!

Have fun!

Bruce

Perrorojo · Aug 31, 2016

captain14 said:
I am going to follow this thread. What projects do you have planes for the wood shop?

The open lean to on the right side. Is that going to be storage of some type?

Thanks

We're going to enclose most of it and use it to store lumber. We're also going to add a lean-to along the back of the old shop to store additional lumber. It will probably be a place for Dad to stick cars until the shop is done. We have 2 or 3 semi trailers filled with dried lumber and another 4 full of tractors, cars, Cushmans, minibikes and miscellaneous stuff.

Perrorojo · Aug 31, 2016

Zeke said:
That 'scary' machine might be a sticker. Those do take a specialist in the form of a millwright. Hell of a great tool and a money maker if you can get it operable.

Why? Well, if it's a sticker, you can reproduce any molding that was ever made. Restoration folks are hot on that. I make moldings for restoration the hard way — one cut at a time.

I'll get a picture tomorrow. I watched Grandpa run it once and was scared to death. It has way too many exposed blades for a car guy to operate.

Perrorojo · Aug 31, 2016

egnorant said:
Love a good reclaim the shop and beat back the frontier story!

We do need lots of pictures so we can A. Drool over your stuff. B. Be encouraging of your progress while feeling bad about how little we have accomplished. C. Meet whatever shop critters you may have, invited or not. Shop dog is a plus! D. Nitpick your organizational choices.

A. Dang, Dozer, Excavator, Boom truck and 2 dump trucks!! That and half a case of beer and I could get a new Police report on me! 39 Ford and a classic T-Bird..NICE!

B. With 4 people on the job it will go fast or break up into a collection of conflicting ideas...or something in between. But I see that while I typed this, you put up an entire building!

C. Still only see 1 critter with the skull and crossbones T-shirt..but he may be a helper so he doesn't count.

D. Am I seeing an AC unit that blows cold in one shop and vents into another? Odd that!

Have fun!

Bruce

A. I'm almost afraid to post what else is out there.

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B. I work full time so I'm limited to evening and weekends. I did volunteer my son. He may have hair like a hippie but he works freakin' hard for a 15yr old.
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D. That was Dad's awesome idea to make me miserable while he works on his toys. It's coming out this fall. I just drag my stuff over to his side when it's hot.

Part of this cleanup is because I can't stand hunting for tools or moving one thing to work on another. I've finally think I'm going to get my wish.

egnorant · Aug 31, 2016

Cadillacs, Corvettes and Cushmans...Oh My! One might ask how you wound up with a 1953 Cadillac chopped up ambulance...not me! I know how these things happen.

Bruce

Perrorojo · Aug 31, 2016

egnorant said:
Cadillacs, Corvettes and Cushmans...Oh My! One might ask how you wound up with a 1953 Cadillac chopped up ambulance...not me! I know how these things happen.

Bruce

Sometimes it's hard to pass on a good deal regardless of whether you need it or not.

iced98lx · Aug 31, 2016

Your collection meets my tastes, I am following along sir!

Perrorojo · Sep 1, 2016

Perrorojo said:
I'll get a picture tomorrow. I watched Grandpa run it once and was scared to death. It has way too many exposed blades for a car guy to operate.

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Zeke · Sep 1, 2016

Yep, that's a sticker. It should have some kind of guards though.

Edit: I've spent some time searching for info on your machine. They are also known as 'molders'. What they do is stick the wood and the definition of sticking is basically profile. If you talk to a seasoned pro at a mill shop he will discuss various 'sticking' options such as ogee or ovolo. Old Shaker style panel doors with no detail on the inside edge where the panel fits is are known as square stuck. Really no sticking at all since only a rabbet is needed to insert the panel.

But you are probably more familiar with raised panel doors that can have up to 8 panels. The detail that surrounds each panel will be typically ogee for vintage doors up to WWII and later on ovolo which is the sticking (pattern/profile) on all the French doors you see at lumber yards and home improvement stores.

Back to the machine: that is a specialized version that, as you said, is set up for door stiles. Hence the sled. You can see that the 2 large heads are essentially planers. Think of a thickness planer or jointer that does the top and bottom at the same time. Another motor/cutting head does the rabbet and profile. I can't really see the detail. Maybe do a close up of that cutter and the cut off or slitter that is right there,

Zeke · Sep 1, 2016

If you can see this it is a box full of all kinds of molding cutters for a 4 head sticker. The one I saw work years ago in a mill was tended to by only the knowledgeable and brave. It was in a metal building and you could look up and around and see the many holes made in the corrugated panels by flying cutters that had escaped.

Perrorojo · Sep 1, 2016

Didn't get too much done today. Daughter had a volleyball match and Dad took a Willys pickup over to Auburn.

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ajohno · Sep 1, 2016

Far out. Fantastic work on the shed.
Thanks for sharing.

Wanna Ride · Sep 1, 2016

Perrorojo said:
Sometimes it's hard to pass on a good deal regardless of whether you need it or not.

I don't think you'll find anyone here passing judgment. You're amongst an entire forum of members who live by that very... theory. :thumbup:

Keeping an eye on this, and expect frequent progress pics!

slimpickins · Sep 2, 2016

Those trees look like they are way too close to the building...
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Looks like you've made some really good progress. What is your plan for the overhang/carport are of the new building?

Cheers!

sean Buick 76 · Sep 2, 2016

Nice job, I would come hang out at your place.

Perrorojo · Sep 2, 2016

slimpickins said:
Those trees look like they are way too close to the building...
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Looks like you've made some really good progress. What is your plan for the overhang/carport are of the new building?

Cheers!

They are. They will be coming down as soon as the excavator is fixed. Planning on a lean-to along that back end for storing vehicles and lumber.

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Perrorojo · Sep 2, 2016

I had a few hours to work today before we had to leave town. We got all but one section of trench dug. I quit when I hit roots.

After giving up on that I decided to clean up around the pond

Then this happened and I gave up. We're headed to Illinois for my in-laws 50th so I'll have to fix it when we get back.

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OrneryDuck · Sep 2, 2016

This looks like a cool project. I'd love to see more of that kooky chopped Cadillac. The 64' 'bird looks good; I've always been a fan of the squarebirds and their 'Boeing' interior

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Perrorojo · Sep 3, 2016

OrneryDuck said:
This looks like a cool project. I'd love to see more of that kooky chopped Cadillac. The 64' 'bird looks good; I've always been a fan of the squarebirds and their 'Boeing' interior .

I like the squarebirds more than I like the 64-66 like the two I have. I got tired of driving a modern car about 5 years ago and they came up at an estate auction in Indy. It had horrible wheels on it and they were going to give it away. It was one owner with 51k

Before:

After:

I have a 66 that will donate to the 39.

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DARK AGE 53 · Sep 3, 2016

Maybe I missed it but what's the trench for, rodent barrier?

Perrorojo · Sep 3, 2016

DARK AGE 53 said:
Maybe I missed it but what's the trench for, rodent barrier?

Insulation. We stick a piece of 2" foam down to insulate headed slab.

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