BendPak XPR-10A * 2000 F150 SuperCab

sbosecker · Oct 3, 2016

I purchased a BendPak XPR-10A-168 about 2 years ago. A bit less than 2 years later, I got the lift installed in my new shop. I installed the lift in the "Wide" configuration.

Today I was going to use my lift to raise my 2000 F150 SuperCab.

To my surprise I couldn't reach both the forward and aft lift points - at the same time - with the arms that came with my lift. The picture shows my final attempt - which was almost a symmetrical approach to the problem. This came close but - as best as I could tell - was not correct.

Here's the Chassis Lift Guide that came with my lift. The 2000 F150 is the diagram in the lower right.

I also have the 2000 Light Duty Truck Specification Manual. Page GSI-13 shows the lifting points in better detail than the Chassis Lift Guide.

So has anyone lifted a F150 similar to mine with a BendPak XPR-10A in the wide configuration?

Do I need a different set (longer) of forward arms to lift my truck properly?

Scott

Falcon67 · Oct 3, 2016

Don't have my 2 post up yet, but two things I wonder about - 1) mostly I see the starting point on a two post as lining the steering wheel up with the post and 2) are you sure the arms are on the correct pins.

WhiffySpark · Oct 3, 2016

Either both on the frame or front on frame rear on leaf spring. Whatever it'll reach

zkdiesel · Oct 3, 2016

Going to have to compensate
Why I hate asy lifts for trucks

zkdiesel · Oct 3, 2016

Back the truck up 6"

sbosecker · Oct 3, 2016

Falcon67 said:
Don't have my 2 post up yet, but two things I wonder about - 1) mostly I see the starting point on a two post as lining the steering wheel up with the post and 2) are you sure the arms are on the correct pins.

Falcon67,

1. As I mentioned in my post, the picture shows the only position that even came close to reaching both lift points (as I comprehend them from the documents I supplied) at the same time.

2. I do not know what you're asking. There are longer arms on the inbound side of my lift and a shorter arms on the outbound side of my lift.

Best regards,

Scott

sbosecker · Oct 3, 2016

WhiffySpark said:
Either both on the frame or front on frame rear on leaf spring. Whatever it'll reach

WhiffySpark,

So I should ignore the manufacture's lift points?

They (manufacturer's locations) are on the frame, I just can't reach both forward and aft - at the same time - with the arms I have. As you can see in the attached diagram, the rear springs are even further aft than the manufacturer's lift point so that's not an option when I can't even reach the aft lift point as it is.

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to convey in your statement.

Best regards,

Scott

WhiffySpark · Oct 3, 2016

The truck is too far forward. Move it back until column lines up with seat bottom or maybe steering wheel. If the frame is straight put one pad as far back on the frame as you can one on the front frame. Rear should be slightly higher.

Those look like asymmetrical arms to me though I can't tell from your picture.

sbosecker · Oct 3, 2016

zkdiesel said:
Going to have to compensate
Why I hate asy lifts for trucks

zkdiesel said:
Back the truck up 6"

I'm now 8 inches away from the aft lift point instead of 2 inches away (in my picture) and the frame curves down just forward of the aft lift point. Moving forward from the aft lift point, the frame doesn't go horizontal again for 2 feet.

Best regards,

Scott

sbosecker · Oct 3, 2016

WhiffySpark said:
The truck is too far forward. Move it back until column lines up with seat bottom or maybe steering wheel. If the frame is straight put one pad as far back on the frame as you can one on the front frame. Rear should be slightly higher.

Those look like asymmetrical arms to me though I can't tell from your picture.

If I move the truck back, the rear arms will be even farther from the aft lift point.

As you can see from the attached documents, the frame curves down just in front of the aft lift point. It doesn't go horizontal again until 2 feet in front of the aft lift point.

Yes, the BendPak XPR-10A is an asymmetrical lift.

Best regards,

Scott

sbosecker · Oct 3, 2016

I appreciate the suggestions but I'm not trying to trick-bleep the system here. I'm trying to either:

1. Find out that I've misinterpreted the documentation.

2. Find out if BendPak has a solution to reach the lift points.

Best regards,

Scott

WhiffySpark · Oct 3, 2016

your arms are backwards I think. The 3 stage should be on the rear.

zkdiesel · Oct 3, 2016

sbosecker said:
I appreciate the suggestions but I'm not trying to trick-bleep the system here. I'm trying to either:

1. Find out that I've misinterpreted the documentation.

2. Find out if BendPak has a solution to reach the lift points.

Best regards,

Scott

Flat and simple it may not be physically able to reach the lift points on your extended can long bed

If you set lift up in narrow position you would have made it

You need to adapt to find spots to pick it up by safely, change lift width or change lifts
You have wrong lift for that truck if you want to do everything "by the book"

WhiffySpark · Oct 3, 2016

zkdiesel said:
Flat and simple it may not be physically able to reach the lift points on your extended can long bed

If you set lift up in narrow position you would have made it

You need to adapt to find spots to pick it up by safely, change lift width or change lifts
You have wrong lift for that truck if you want to do everything "by the book"

Do the arms look backwards to you too? Shouldn't the 3 stage be on the rear?

They can be picked up. I picked one up last week on a similar lift. I just used the frame under the cab. If you can reach the rear shackle while it having the truck too far forward, great. But that doesn't usually happen

zkdiesel · Oct 3, 2016

WhiffySpark said:
Do the arms look backwards to you too? Shouldn't the 3 stage be on the rear?

They can be picked up. I picked one up last week on a similar lift. I just used the frame under the cab. If you can reach the rear shackle while it having the truck too far forward, great. But that doesn't usually happen

Not familiar enough with bend back. I only use rotary, but most lofts with 3 stage arms for one set that are asymmetrical have them on the front so they can retract short enough for small cars
Asymmetrical are not ideal for long wheelbase trucks

sbosecker · Oct 3, 2016

WhiffySpark said:
your arms are backwards I think. The 3 stage should be on the rear.

WhiffySpark,

Pretty sure the long 2-segment arms go on the rear and the shorter 3-segment arms go on the front.

Here's a Brochure from BendPak that describes this particular lift.

Here's the Installation Manual from BendPak.

Best regards,

Scott

JJThrasher · Oct 3, 2016

Lift is set too wide for the truck and the truck is at least 8" too far forward. You're weight is all in the front.

ADSR · Oct 3, 2016

JJThrasher said:
Lift is set too wide for the truck and the truck is at least 8" too far forward. You're weight is all in the front.

Agreed. 8 to 10 back is what I would do. I have the same lift, but no 3 stage arms. I've had to get creative lifting some of these trucks. My F350 is a pain. Ram 2500's can be bad too.

sbosecker · Oct 3, 2016

LORDDiESEL said:
Agreed. 8 to 10 back is what I would do. I have the same lift, but no 3 stage arms. I've had to get creative lifting some of these trucks. My F350 is a pain. Ram 2500's can be bad too.

LORDDiESEL,

Would you happen to have any pictures of your F350 on your XPR-10A?

Is your lift set up "wide"?

Best regards,

Scott

psu927 · Oct 4, 2016

Have the same lift also set up wide. lift a 4 door long bed f350 diesel and just plain and simple just can't quite reach the recommended points. Extend the arms as far as possible and then get the truck balanced as good as you can and call it good. Mine is close to reaching, just not quite. Still sits solid though

Bendpaks regular symmetric lift arms are the same length (both arms fully extended, total combined length) as the asymmetric so you would have the same problem. Only thing that would really help would be to set the lift up in the narrow configuration.

sbosecker · Oct 4, 2016

psu927 said:
Have the same lift also set up wide. lift a 4 door long bed f350 diesel and just plain and simple just can't quite reach the recommended points. Extend the arms as far as possible and then get the truck balanced as good as you can and call it good. Mine is close to reaching, just not quite. Still sits solid though

Bendpaks regular symmetric lift arms are the same length (both arms fully extended, total combined length) as the asymmetric so you would have the same problem. Only thing that would really help would be to set the lift up in the narrow configuration.

psu927,

Thank you very much!

It is good to have feedback from someone with the same lift and a (somewhat) similar Ford product. From your post it appears that I have interpreted the documents correctly and BendPak doesn't have a solution that allows the XPR-10A to use the manufacturer's lift points.

I am not familiar with the F350's frame... does it curve down for about 2 feet in front of the manufacturer's rear lift points?

Of course I would be pleased to see an image or two of your F350 on your XPR-10A.

Thanks again!

Best regards,

Scott

Falcon67 · Oct 4, 2016

WhiffySpark said:
your arms are backwards I think. The 3 stage should be on the rear.

This is what I meant - looking at most install docs for similar lifts show the 3 stage arms to the rear.

I'd be more worried about balancing the truck on the lift than actually hitting the exact factory lift points. I've had both the F150 and the F350 up on stands and never once looked in the manual to see where any jack point was - I lift them using various frame points and put the stands where they need to be out of the way of the work and still supporting the truck so it doesn't fall.

WhiffySpark · Oct 4, 2016

Regardless I would just lift it on the flat part of the frame under the cab. Spread them out as far as you can there. The only other option is one pad on the lead spring and one on the front of the frame. But it sounds like you don't have the reach for that

ADSR · Oct 4, 2016

sbosecker said:
LORDDiESEL,

Would you happen to have any pictures of your F350 on your XPR-10A?

Is your lift set up "wide"?

Best regards,

Scott

Mine is the wide set up. Sorry, no pictures, But I couldn't pick it up where the book told me to. The arms were much closer together on the frame.

sbosecker · Oct 4, 2016

Falcon67 said:
This is what I meant - looking at most install docs for similar lifts show the 3 stage arms to the rear.

I'd be more worried about balancing the truck on the lift than actually hitting the exact factory lift points. I've had both the F150 and the F350 up on stands and never once looked in the manual to see where any jack point was - I lift them using various frame points and put the stands where they need to be out of the way of the work and still supporting the truck so it doesn't fall.

Falcon67,

Could it be that most 3 segment arms are usually the longer of the two arms on an Asymmetrical Lift?

Regardless, on my lift, the 3-segment arms are shorter than the 2-segment arms and are, I believe, correctly installed.

Best regards,

Scott

zkdiesel · Oct 4, 2016

sbosecker said:
Falcon67,

Could it be that most 3 segment arms are usually the longer of the two arms on an Asymmetrical Lift?

Regardless, on my lift, the 3-segment arms are shorter than the 2-segment arms and are, I believe, correctly installed.

Best regards,

Scott

You are correct
Your lift will just not work for long wheelbase trucks if you "want to go by the book". Figure out alternative lift points, don't lift your pickup truck ever, or go buy a different, more appropriate lift for Lwb pickups
My lifts would have no problem reaching your factory pickup locations. Hence going rotary.......
Your truck you would be able to pickup I alternative locations of you try..... I choose longer armed and heavier lifts because I regularly lift small 1 ton dually dump trucks

Texsun · Oct 4, 2016

Here's an example from this site:

sbosecker · Oct 4, 2016

zkdiesel said:
You are correct
Your lift will just not work for long wheelbase trucks if you "want to go by the book". Figure out alternative lift points, don't lift your pickup truck ever, or go buy a different, more appropriate lift for Lwb pickups
My lifts would have no problem reaching your factory pickup locations. Hence going rotary.......
Your truck you would be able to pickup I alternative locations of you try..... I choose longer armed and heavier lifts because I regularly lift small 1 ton dually dump trucks

zkdiesel,

I attempted to do due diligence regarding the appropriateness of this lift via the garagejournal and the interweb.

During this research I did not come across the limitation that prompted this thread. I attribute this, to some degree, with folks having the book but not using it, not having the book or not being able to read the book. Ha!

I am not a pro. I do not have any experience with lifts. The original intent of this post was to explore the idea that I may be suffering from operator error and, if that was ruled out, to see if anyone was aware of a BendPak solution that would allow my lift to be used according to Ford's specifications.

I think we have ruled out operator error. So far there hasn't been mention of a solution from BendPak.

I'm now curious in seeing how other have lifted long Ford pickups as that seems to offer the best hope for lifting my truck with my lift.

...and I'm happy for you that you have a more capable lift than I do.

Best regards,

Scott

sbosecker · Oct 4, 2016

Texsun said:
Here's an example from this site:

Texsun,

Looks like they've got the aft lift points just forward of where the frame slopes up.

It also appears to be a short bed pickup on a symmetrical lift.

I'm trying to determine if those accessory stands fore and aft are doing anything or if they just happen to be in the picture.

One thing's for sure... that's not a Georgia truck. Ha!
(Rampant Road Salt Corrosion in Wheel Wells)

Best regards,

Scott

WhiffySpark · Oct 4, 2016

I put one stand in the rear just to make me feel better. I pick up long bed trucks all the time but ours is set narrow. Our 12k lift is wide. I only use that for duallys or service bodies. And occasionally ford ecolines

Falcon67 · Oct 4, 2016

sbosecker said:
Regardless, on my lift, the 3-segment arms are shorter than the 2-segment arms and are, I believe, correctly installed.

Best regards,

Scott

That clears that up for sure! I'm still unpacking my new lift, we'll see how the arms work on this Weaver model.

WhiffySpark · Oct 6, 2016

This is what I meant

WhiffySpark · Oct 6, 2016

Best I could do. I was busy

ADSR · Oct 6, 2016

WhiffySpark said:
Best I could do. I was busy

that rear arm cant extend any farther down the frame?

WhiffySpark · Oct 6, 2016

LORDDiESEL said:
that rear arm cant extend any farther down the frame?

That's the end of the flat frame. And it won't reach far enough back to pick it up on the leaf spring shackle/mount. The weight is balanced and it picks up level. Limited choices when picking them up on asymmetric. If you pull it up far enough to get to the "lift point" or shackle, it'll be too far forward

sbosecker · Oct 10, 2016

Last week I had sent an email to BendPak regarding this issue.

This morning, after a gentle reminder email, I received a reply from BendPak.

Anyone who encounters this issue with a XPR-10A series lift may be interested in BendPak's response.

Hello Scott,

Sorry for this late reply.

A safe & Viable solution would be to consider swapping the 2 front triple telescoping lift arms with long 2-stage lift arms (same lift arms as your rears) when lifting this F150, ext cab, long bed pickup truck only.

Other shorter vehicles would be OK with setup as is.

We can offer you a 20% discount on 2 long lift arms

Part #5210369 Long Arm Assembly (RH) / Regular Cost- $378.34 / Discount Cost- $302.67
Part #5210171 Long Arm Assembly (LH) / Regular Cost- $378.34 / Discount Cost- $302.67

I haven't followed up on this email yet. While this may fix the "reach" problem, I'm thinking the cg of the truck may be pretty far forward. When I respond, I will ask if they have ever tested this "solution".

Best regards,

Scott

G-Ram · Oct 10, 2016

Honestly, if you're that worried about it, buy a 12,000lb or 15,000lb lift.

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WhiffySpark · Oct 10, 2016

G-Ram said:
Honestly, if you're that worried about it, buy a 12,000lb or 15,000lb lift.

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Exactly what I was going to say. Buy a 12k rotary and put it beside it. What you have will work fine you're just going to have to use different lift points

shedfullatools · Oct 10, 2016

Ive never once even thought about seeing where the proper lift points where on a truck, always just lift from wherever the whole thing will balance out decently, lift it a bit shake the whole thing for all you're worth and if nothing goes wrong all should be good :rocker:

sbosecker · Oct 10, 2016

G-Ram said:
Honestly, if you're that worried about it, buy a 12,000lb or 15,000lb lift.

WhiffySpark said:
Exactly what I was going to say. Buy a 12k rotary and put it beside it. What you have will work fine you're just going to have to use different lift points

shedfullatools said:
Ive never once even thought about seeing where the proper lift points where on a truck, always just lift from wherever the whole thing will balance out decently, lift it a bit shake the whole thing for all you're worth and if nothing goes wrong all should be good

Gentlemen:

I'm not worried about it ...and I'm not sure how buying a 12K or 15K lift with short arms would be any different than my 10K lift trying to lift a 4K truck with short arms.

I don't see what harm it does to ask the manufacturer if they have verified that their "solution" actually works.

Also, I'm trying to give anyone that may be trying to make a decision about buying a lift the benefit of what I am learning as I move through this. I would have found this information very useful prior to my purchase. Almost certainly I would have purchased a different lift had I been aware this lift's limitations. Perhaps me posting this information will help someone else during their lift-purchase-fact-gathering.

Best regards,

Scott

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