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BendPak Lift - Built-In Air Bottle for Locks

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Maybe you're like many of the other curious lift shoppers in the market for a four-post garage lift. You like the BendPak, but are concerned about the requirement for air. You don't have an air compressor and are not really interested in acquiring one or going through the trouble of plumbing airlines etc. So reluctantly you settle for a lesser quality lift with a manual lock system. What if you could have both?

SOLUTION SOLVED – PATENT IS APPLIED FOR AND IS NOW PENDING


We’ve developed a system where the lift itself actually creates its own air source each time the lift is raised. As you are most likely aware, BendPak lifts (and others) employ a hydraulic cylinder to raise the platform or runways. The hydraulic cylinder will usually have two fitting ports. One port is for the input of hydraulic fluid that activates the movement and power. The second port is a vent port where the atmosphere escapes the backside of the cylinder as the piston moves through the cylinder body. With this system, air is simply captured and stored into an auxiliary air bottle attached to the lift. A cylinder and piston really is an air compressor isn’t it? When activating the pneumatic locks you use little air volume. The locks require no more than 20 PSI to release. The air volume and PSI created as the lift rises just once creates an air source ample enough for multiple full descent lock release operations.

PATENT DESIGN FEATURES

• OPTION 1 - Bottle is attached to the lift as a separate component. (As shown)
• OPTION 2 - Bottle and stated components are integrated into the standard hydraulic power unit/manifold assembly with the bottle stored within the oil reservoir.
• The bottle has a one-way check valve so that when air enters the bottle, it can’t escape.
• The bottle has an additional one-way check valve that operates independent of the other that allows the cylinder to reverse direction without creating a vacuum. It pulls air from the atmosphere rather than the air bottle.
• Bottle has an out port that feeds directly to the pneumatic safety push-button operator.
• Bottle system has a pressure gauge to identify charged status.
• Bottle system has an integrated “pop-off” safety valve (typical component found on air compressors) so that if pressure exceed 150 PSI, the valve relieves the pressure.

For those asking the obvious question….”What if I leave my vehicle stored for months in the raised position and I come back and find the bottle empty”. We did add to the design an independent valve stem attached to the bottle in the event you ever had to re-charge the bottle with the lift elevated. However, my simple answer to that question is this. The bottle and fittings are made of steel and for the most part impermeable. Your vehicle tires are made out of rubber. The bottle will hold air much longer than your tires. If you return to find the bottle empty, most likely, all of your tires will be flat.:dunno:

An added feature – Any micron bypass of fluid through the hydraulic cylinder seals will work its way to the bottle, thus lubricating the pneumatic safety components.

Price - $75.00'ish. Still working on that.:headscrat

My best to all!

Jeff Kritzer
BendPak

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Good point. The lift requires 2400 PSI on the rod side to raise 9,000 lbs. There may be some slight penelty but not sure 1000 pounds. :headscrat

The bottle starts pressure build gradually. Hits 20-40 PSI about half way up then builds pressure exponentially from there.

Jeff
 
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One more note.

Production units would be a welded steel canister as opposted to pipe.

Jeff
 

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I do not think many members here would have a lift and not have an air compressor in their garage
 

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I feel it could have it's place, even with an air compressor already in the shop. You don't need to plumb a line to it, or have to connect a hose every time you want to lower it.

Just eliminates ever even thinking about that portion of the install or location of the lift.

I am interested in how much 'actual' lift capacity in the final design will be lost as mentioned above.

I'm getting an hd-9 soon, once the other projects in the garage are finished. And I had no ill feelings towards needing air as a requirement.

I guess some people purchase a 4 post only for double parking, they don't work on cars and don't want a compressor at all.. (i guess if the tire is low they will tow the car to the dealer instead:dunno:?)
 

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OMG - I thought of this a couple years ago! I'm sure the cheque is in the mail... Do'h!! didn't patent it :headscrat Oh well, I'm sure I'll get consideration for it!!:bounce:

It would be a FANTASTIC feature regardless of having a compressor or not. It makes the lift self-contained.

As Ket-tek (I like the handle!) said:
I feel it could have it's place, even with an air compressor already in the shop. You don't need to plumb a line to it, or have to connect a hose every time you want to lower it.
Just eliminates ever even thinking about that portion of the install or location of the lift.
I guess some people purchase a 4 post only for double parking, they don't work on cars and don't want a compressor at all..

Absolutely Brilliant!! Good to see you (BendPak) incorporate the idea Jeff!:thumbup:
 

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Every lift I worked on had air lines and hoses on the uprights of the lift to hook tools to even.

On a 4 post your going to have axle jacks as well so right there you need air too.
 
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Follow up...

The HD-9 series lifts do require 2400 PSI operating pressure to lift 9K. However, we size the power unit relief valve setting at 20% over OP. That means the power unit will generate a little over 2800 PSI. That more than compensates for the 150 PSI bottle resistance so no sacrifice in lifting capacity.

E-Tek,
Every time I see your beautiful wife on your posts it makes me think you must have a lot of money, you are extremely good looking or you have a big....heart. LOL:bowdown:

I know what you mean. I thought of the electric light bulb fifty years ago and never thought much of it. Who woulda known?:headscrat

If it makes you feel better, we can market the system as the E-Tek-5000.:lol_hitti

Cheers,

Jeff
 

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No matter who thought of the idea. I think it's brilliant! Even if you have air readily available in your shop. You don't need an extra hose getting in the way. :thumbup:

I can only wonder if BendPak can get some government funding and or tax incentives for anyone purchasing a lift with this bottle. After all the locks are applied by recycled air from the hydraulic system. Goes along with the widespread green movement.
 

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Another fine product from the folks at BendPak. Jeff, I'm still waiting to see when you can incorporate undercarriage lighting into your 4 post lifts. There's a lot of room under the one runway for a nice flip out full ramp length long lighting rod. I'll let e-tek come up with a name for that one.
 

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Follow up...

E-Tek,
Every time I see your beautiful wife on your posts it makes me think you must have a lot of money, you are extremely good looking or you have a big....heart. LOL:bowdown:
How 'bout all three? Not buying it? Well, I do have BIG feet!:lol_hitti
I know what you mean. I thought of the electric light bulb fifty years ago and never thought much of it. Who woulda known?:headscrat
That was you? You had less hair then!
If it makes you feel better, we can market the system as the E-Tek-5000.:lol_hitti

Cheers,

Jeff

Believe it or not, I own the TM to E-tek (in Canada)....so it's yours if you need it!

Another fine product from the folks at BendPak. Jeff, I'm still waiting to see when you can incorporate undercarriage lighting into your 4 post lifts. There's a lot of room under the one runway for a nice flip out full ramp length long lighting rod. I'll let e-tek come up with a name for that one.

Another great GJ Member idea! How 'bout the "Ovi-light"!? :thumbup:
 
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Wow...GREAT idea! My Hd-9 arrived today....and the package is sitting on my garage floor just begging to be set-up. I had it delivered to a friend's shop and they brought it here on a roll-back. (Thanks Joe & Al!)

I thought I had it all planned out...but this is causing me to rethink. I do have air available...but planned to drop it from above.

Now...since moving my video gear yesterday, my darned knee to sore and I can;t play!
 

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JSK - send me the first one!!! (What no prototype??)Thanks!

As per having a compressor or not: why would you start your compressor just to raise or lower the lift? It's my one pet peave - I don't run my compressor unless I'm using air for specific tools - which isn't every day I'm in the shop. Often times I'm just using hand tools or electric tools and don't need air, but I still want to lift/lower the car....
 
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I was all ready to order one of these.....instead of running the air lines....and called Brian at ASE. I have to say that Brian has been GREAT through the process of my lift purchase, and I'm not complaining about his quote as I know he is more than fair.

The price I was quoted is $200, so I'm on the fence wondering if it's worth the expense. My lift bay is next to a "attic" bay so I can drop the lines down to the lift column...they don;t have to run across the floor. But, I will have some expense regardless to set that up.

I am getting ready to assemble my lift, so I need to make a decision. Guys...what do you think?
 

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I was all ready to order one of these.....instead of running the air lines....and called Brian at ASE. I have to say that Brian has been GREAT through the process of my lift purchase, and I'm not complaining about his quote as I know he is more than fair.

The price I was quoted is $200, so I'm on the fence wondering if it's worth the expense. My lift bay is next to a "attic" bay so I can drop the lines down to the lift column...they don;t have to run across the floor. But, I will have some expense regardless to set that up.

I am getting ready to assemble my lift, so I need to make a decision. Guys...what do you think?

You're asking that question on this forum? Lol. Get it! :bounce:

How much is it going to cost you for air line to run from the ceiling, etc? Plus your time to install all of that... The self-contained system sure would look fancy too! :D
 

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I've always wondered (and I'm sure it has been asked before): why air locks instead of mechanical?
 

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I said it earlier in the thread - it's my pet-peeve to have to run my compressor - which is loud and ***** the power of 50 drills - just to lower the lift!! I WANT one of these tubes!!

Now, being the DIY guy I am, I was gonna look into building the unit myself....but when JSK said $75 I thought - why would I???? However, at $200 I might put some time and effort into it!!!
 

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E-tek...I'm cheap too when it comes to certain things....but I ordered one.

We plan to start the heavy assembly of my lift tomorrow night and I'm hoping the tank gets here prior to that. (We likely won't get as far as needinging tomorrow anyhow)

I will post an update on the tank.
 

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UPDATE!!!

Since I ordered my Bend Pak on-board bottle about a week ago....I checked with Brian as ASE today as to when it should arrive. Brian (who is very helpful) said that Bend Pak has yet to ship as they have yet to attach a part number. And...they won't ship until they have a part number.

Maybe it's me. The unit was discussed months ago in this very thread...then listed by a person of status at Bend Pak that they are available. So now, I bite my lip and order this thing.....and they're available...but not able to be shipped? Huh?

I have heard many, many good things about Bend-Pak...I have even called their Tech Support with questions. They were helpful. Now if this new item is not here by the time I need it during the assembly...I'm going to cancel and set the lift up with shop air.
 

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UPDATE!!!

Since I ordered my Bend Pak on-board bottle about a week ago....I checked with Brian as ASE today as to when it should arrive. Brian (who is very helpful) said that Bend Pak has yet to ship as they have yet to attach a part number. And...they won't ship until they have a part number.

Maybe it's me. The unit was discussed months ago in this very thread...then listed by a person of status at Bend Pak that they are available. So now, I bite my lip and order this thing.....and they're available...but not able to be shipped? Huh?

I have heard many, many good things about Bend-Pak...I have even called their Tech Support with questions. They were helpful. Now if this new item is not here by the time I need it during the assembly...I'm going to cancel and set the lift up with shop air.

There's always something that comes up in business...If they shipped w/o a part number, UPC, etc., they'd be in more doo-doo than otherwise!

I know you can air up the bottle in case it ever does deflate, but I wonder how difficult it would be to plumb in air now and the bottle when it comes? As I have air now, I'll be plumbing a bottle in downstream from that.

Good luck with the install - awaiting pics!
 

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E-tek...not good news I'm afraid. I'm sure Bend Pak is being cautious to avoid problems.

I contacted ASE Deals, and they were told that it would be still be at least a few days until a part number would be assigned, and then these bottles could be shipped. So...add shipping of about a week and I'm 10 days out. I cancelled the order.

We're doing the heavy bits tonight as I have a crew coming to help. Then, I'll just run my shop air down to the lift, along with the electric. I don;t want to have to wait to finish this job just for this bottle. I ordered the HD-9 in June...so now I'm getting anxious!

I know the Bend Pak reputation is great, so I'm not too worried about the lift. I do find it annoying that a Bend Pak employee in this very post lists something as "available".....when it clearly isn't. To me, "available" means I can buy one. Having these in stock, but not "shippable" (if that's a word) means they're not available.

As far as putting one in later...I'm not interested. It's hard to describe (I'll post pics later) but the lift bay adjoins a bay of standard ceiling height. So, we're coming through the wall at the bottom of the second floor and just dropping the electric and air a couple feet to the top of the lift post.
 
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I bought one of these and the installer couldn't get it to work. Bendpak sent a second one - and we still can't get it to work. I love the concept, but the part doesn't seem to be ready for prime time yet.

I am getting pressure off the cylinder to the air bottle, but there is no pressure building to the air locks - so I have to use my air compressor to lower the lift. Very disappointed in the air bottle product. :(
 

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I bought one of these and the installer couldn't get it to work. Bendpak sent a second one - and we still can't get it to work. I love the concept, but the part doesn't seem to be ready for prime time yet.

I am getting pressure off the cylinder to the air bottle, but there is no pressure building to the air locks - so I have to use my air compressor to lower the lift. Very disappointed in the air bottle product. :(

I don't think these should be for sale to the general pubics - yet. I recieved a prototype from BendPak a while back (I did a thread on it). But then I was speaking to Jeff (JSK - BP) and he said they have the wrong one-way inlets and was sourcing new stuff. He was supposed to send me the new set up - but that was a couple months ago....and since he said that, I never did install the one I got initially. Have you PM'd him? I'll try and see what's up....
 
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