240v 17,000 BTU 5,000 Watt Heaters on Sale $69.99

JRC3 · Dec 15, 2016

Rural King has these on sale. I'm gonna go buy two for the garage. On sale til 12/24. I can't run gas out there right now for my gas heater but have plenty of electric service. Heck, my 45K BTU at 80% is 36K and two of these will be 34K. My new garage is way tighter and better insulated than my old garage, so these might even stay for a while.

http://www.ruralking.com/heater-240v-garage-wlmnt-5000w.html

http://www.ruralking.com/media/blfa_files/CZ220-Heavy_Electric_Utility_Heater_Inst_051513.pdf

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These could be used if a house furnace went down using a dryer or range outlet.

bigarmzz · Dec 15, 2016

Interesting, are these good heaters? Do u all think I would need a timing light using this to read my meter? Lol

JRC3 · Dec 15, 2016

About 2/3 of what a clothes dryer uses. I only heat the garage when I'm working on a vehicle or something else. Still way cheaper than when I used #20 propane heaters or kerosene.

Bill50 · Dec 15, 2016

I just put one up in my garage from Northern Tools. The fan was loose. Pull the back screen off and tighten it before installing. Works okay. I only use when in the garage, it's lighter than I thought it would be.

Catadj78 · Dec 16, 2016

I just bought 2 for 200 shipped. Wish I would have waited now. Damn.

I only have 1 set up right now and it does ok but I'm trying to heat way more than just 1 was designed for.

bobinyelm · Dec 16, 2016

The following table represents the cost to produce 17,000 BTU (as the elec heater produces):
(Any math errors notwithstanding, of course)

At 13 cents per KWH it would cost $.65 per hour to run the electric heater.

Propane at $2.29/gal burned in an 80% efficient vented heater would cost $.57 per hour to run.

Natural gas at $1.20 per therm burned in an 80% efficient vented furnace would cost $.21 per hour to run.

#2 Home Heating Oil at $2.59/gal burned in an 80% vented furnace would cost $.41 per hour to run.

Those prices are what we pay locally. Your mileage may vary, as they say...

The advantage of dead dinosaur fuels is that they can produce copious amounts of BTUs per hour.

Producing 100,000 BTUs on electricity (for fast shop warm-up or recovery if a garage door is opened in cold weather) would take 133 amps at 220v service. That would take a 200a service leaving 67 amps for all other tools and appliances.

bookman51 · Dec 16, 2016

bobinyelm said:
The following table represents the cost to produce 17,000 BTU (as the elec heater produces):
(Any math errors notwithstanding, of course)

At 13 cents per KWH it would cost $.65 per hour to run the electric heater.

Propane at $2.29/gal burned in an 80% efficient vented heater would cost $.57 per hour to run.

Natural gas at $1.20 per therm burned in an 80% efficient vented furnace would cost $.21 per hour to run.

#2 Home Heating Oil at $2.59/gal burned in an 80% vented furnace would cost $.41 per hour to run.

Those prices are what we pay locally. Your mileage may vary, as they say...

The advantage of dead dinosaur fuels is that they can produce copious amounts of BTUs per hour.

Producing 100,000 BTUs on electricity (for fast shop warm-up or recovery if a garage door is opened in cold weather) would take 133 amps at 220v service. That would take a 200a service leaving 67 amps for all other tools and appliances.

There are a few other considerations. The initial purchase and installation of the electrical heaters are probably cheaper than propane or natural gas. In my case I have an all electric house. A natural gas line runs to edge of my property, but it would cost big $$ to run the line to my shop. Then I would have a minimum monthly gas bill all year in addition to the gas bill when I run the heater. Finally, I only work in my shop occasionally during the winter months. So there are a lot of factors to consider.

Falcon67 · Dec 16, 2016

I paid $269 for my Dayton, it's been a great appliance. $70 is certainly pretty cheap.

DTE · Dec 16, 2016

I have a 7500 watt in a different brand ( cost me 75 cents a hour ) heats my shop up real well. 26x 30 x 10 with R-30 in the ceiling which is not finished yet.

600SL · Dec 17, 2016

That's a good deal. I might buy one just so I can install my heat pump.

mrpizza · Dec 17, 2016

We put one in my friends garage a few weeks back. It whines, like an electrical whine. Heats good though.

chrispyny · Dec 18, 2016

Thanks! I have been looking for exactly something like this for my garage. At that price, i can't say no! Order placed!

JRC3 · Dec 18, 2016

I'm gonna order two tomorrow and might do one of these too. http://www.ruralking.com/heater-garage-wlmnt-4k-w-plug.html

James-W · Dec 18, 2016

A good friend of mine has a similar one, he got it at Farm & Fleet a couple years ago. It works reasonably well, but on really cold days it doesn't quite have enough output to make it very warm in his shop. He only has R-13 in the walls and in the ceiling, which really isn't enough for the ceiling.

Larson-catz · Dec 19, 2016

I have one in my 2 car garage I got from Farm and Fleet. I only run it when I'm out there doing something. It was -2 today so I turned it on full blast, went inside for 20 min and came back out to work. Garage was nice and toasty warm. It works great!

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JRC3 · Dec 19, 2016

I just noticed Menards has the same units on sale for the same price under a different name.
https://www.menards.com/main/heatin...m?tid=-579922379402189068&bargainStoreId=3296

Cruzan80 · Dec 19, 2016

Online price for me is 124.99

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jives · Dec 19, 2016

I was just at TSC and I'm pretty sure the same Comfort Zone heater was there. . . it was more than the Rural King price. But, TSC has a price match guarantee, so I wonder if that works for online prices?

velillen01 · Dec 19, 2016

I ordered two of them from ruralking. Ill wire them up individually and run them when its cold out. I wanted to work in the garage this weekend but just couldn't get motivated to work in 33 degree weather (especially on metal!).

JRC3 · Dec 20, 2016

Score at Menards. I would've bought 3 but they only had 2 in stock. If they get more in by the sale end, I might pick up another.

Will hookup in a week or so.

skipnay · Dec 20, 2016

JRC3 said:
Rural King has these on sale. I'm gonna go buy two for the garage. On sale til 12/24. I can't run gas out there right now for my gas heater but have plenty of electric service. Heck, my 45K BTU at 80% is 36K and two of these will be 34K. My new garage is way tighter and better insulated than my old garage, so these might even stay for a while.

http://www.ruralking.com/heater-240v-garage-wlmnt-5000w.html

http://www.ruralking.com/media/blfa_files/CZ220-Heavy_Electric_Utility_Heater_Inst_051513.pdf

These could be used if a house furnace went down using a dryer or range outlet.

Says they are on back order. I wonder if I will be able to get one for that price later on? I have a 24x40 with 14' ceilings down stairs, then 2 feet of floor joints, and then 8' ceilings with roof trusses. I have R30 or better everywhere except at the 2' floor joints. Don't need insulation between there. If some heat goes up stairs that is going to bother me!!!

ard · Dec 20, 2016

30 day warranty on the ones from Rural King.

Really?

JRC3 · Dec 20, 2016

skipnay said:
Says they are on back order.

You have a Menards close by? I went there instead.

ard said:
30 day warranty on the ones from Rural King.

Really?

That's a standard thing at RK, most of their items say that on their website. My guess that's how long they will take it back and has nothing to do with the manufacturer warranty. The CZ instructions says 12 months. http://www.ruralking.com/media/blfa_files/CZ220-Heavy_Electric_Utility_Heater_Inst_051513.pdf

Same warranty with the Profusion at Menards.

I can't imagine any manufacturer only giving 30 days on anything.

skipnay · Dec 21, 2016

JRC3 said:
You have a Menards close by? I went there instead.

That's a standard thing at RK, most of their items say that on their website. My guess that's how long they will take it back and has nothing to do with the manufacturer warranty. The CZ instructions says 12 months. http://www.ruralking.com/media/blfa_files/CZ220-Heavy_Electric_Utility_Heater_Inst_051513.pdf

Same warranty with the Profusion at Menards.

I can't imagine any manufacturer only giving 30 days on anything.

No I do not

JRC3 · Dec 21, 2016

As usual I forgot the items needed to hook things up. Went back and got a dryer cord, 30A outlet and cover, box, and 30A breaker for each heater...$34ea., heck, that's half the price of each heater.

Of course I have Homeline and BH breakers laying around but I needed pricey CH. I have an unused 60A installed in the box but that's just too big.

skipnay said:
No I do not

I wonder if Menards ships orders.

6768rogues · Dec 22, 2016

I got tired of expensive propane and electric is out of the question for 2400 square feet. Last year I paid the utility company $3000 to run gas to my building that is 600 feet from the road. Best investment ever.

Oldgloryfirearms · Dec 22, 2016

Just ordered one for my 24x25. i currently have all the walls insulated but have not insulated the ceiling yet. for the guys that have these how well do you think it will do. It gets into the 30's around me normally nothing usually colder

JRC3 · Dec 22, 2016

6768rogues said:
I got tired of expensive propane and electric is out of the question for 2400 square feet. Last year I paid the utility company $3000 to run gas to my building that is 600 feet from the road. Best investment ever.

C'mon, these heaters are for smaller garages, not 2400 s/f...That's bigger than my 1800 s/f house.

Mrroo · Dec 23, 2016

Here is my 240 volt 5400 watt heater. Works well in my fully insulated attached 24x21 garage. I only use it when I'm working in there. I built it out of old dryer parts. Not the safest or most efficient. But not was free and warms the garage well. I have it mounted up high and away now. I'm gonna install a gas heater soon. Just haven't ran my lines yet.

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JRC3 · Dec 23, 2016

^
That's what got me started in wanting these electrics. See, I gutted everything in the foreclosure I bought and have been slowly getting essentials up and running. Right after I moved in I had the washer plumbed but had a week period with my dryer plugged in in the garage. It was cold one night and I thought the heat coming from the dryer exhaust felt pretty adequate. At the exact same time I had to replace the dryer belt and what you did totally popped into my mind.

Gas lines are my problem, right now, too. Not even sure if my meter will keep up with my 45K garage heater with the house's furnace, tankless, and stove. Eventually I will try.

Mrroo · Dec 23, 2016

Electric is not efficient for me. But it works for now. I'm hoping to get my gas lines ran real soon and buy a Modine or similar 45,000 BTU gas heater. I only run the electric heater when I'm working. But the gas I'll set at 45 or so all the time.

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Cruzan80 · Dec 28, 2016

Quick question for the masses.

Trying to get electrical run for this, and probably going to be running it in conduit from the main box into the garage. If I run #10 THHN, looking at having to derate due to 7-9 wires in the pipe. It says it is listed at 40A, then derating to 70% due to spacing, gives me 28A. Now the math says that a 5k watt heater should pull around 21A, but when I called them up, they said it requires a 30A breaker. Is this due to overloading a 20A, and the next size up is 30A? Will I be ok with this? Or do I need to run #8 to get it at/above the 30A sizing?

velillen01 · Dec 28, 2016

Cruzan80 said:
Quick question for the masses.

Trying to get electrical run for this, and probably going to be running it in conduit from the main box into the garage. If I run #10 THHN, looking at having to derate due to 7-9 wires in the pipe. It says it is listed at 40A, then derating to 70% due to spacing, gives me 28A. Now the math says that a 5k watt heater should pull around 21A, but when I called them up, they said it requires a 30A breaker. Is this due to overloading a 20A, and the next size up is 30A? Will I be ok with this? Or do I need to run #8 to get it at/above the 30A sizing?

You dont want to run a circuit at its capacity. So you will want to run 30amp stuff for these.

Cruzan80 · Dec 28, 2016

Not questioning the 30A breaker part, but rather running THHN in conduit de-rated to 28A on it.

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JRC3 · Dec 28, 2016

Cruzan80 said:
Quick question for the masses.

Trying to get electrical run for this, and probably going to be running it in conduit from the main box into the garage. If I run #10 THHN, looking at having to derate due to 7-9 wires in the pipe. It says it is listed at 40A, then derating to 70% due to spacing, gives me 28A. Now the math says that a 5k watt heater should pull around 21A, but when I called them up, they said it requires a 30A breaker. Is this due to overloading a 20A, and the next size up is 30A? Will I be ok with this? Or do I need to run #8 to get it at/above the 30A sizing?

A dryer draws more than 21A and #10 is fine for it. yeah, 30A is the next size up.

So what is the distance?

Cruzan80 · Dec 28, 2016

JRC3 said:
A dryer draws more than 21A and #10 is fine for it. yeah, 30A is the next size up.

So what is the distance?

Probably around 30ft. Not asking about #10 by itself, but de-rating it in conduit when attached to a 30A breaker. Saw somewhere else where a person did the calculations and even with 125% of capacity it still left it some room.

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chrispyny · Dec 29, 2016

$83 shipped, came last night. One trip to HD, $40 in #10 red black and green, a 30a double pole breaker and some flexible conduit, and 2 hours later, shes up.

My garage is 20x22. It heats up very fast. VERY HAPPY. thanks guys for the heads up!

Showkey · Dec 29, 2016

Mrroo said:
But the gas I'll set at 45 or so all the time.
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The gas unit will likely have a warning about low temp operation causing premature failure of the heat exchanger. The problem is excessive condensation from consistently heating the cold air.

Want2race · Dec 31, 2016

chrispyny said:
$83 shipped, came last night. One trip to HD, $40 in #10 red black and green, a 30a double pole breaker and some flexible conduit, and 2 hours later, shes up.

My garage is 20x22. It heats up very fast. VERY HAPPY. thanks guys for the heads up!

Great install!

I also bought one and it arrived incredibly fast for a backordered item.

Has anyone looked at a remote thermostat setup? I bought a contactor and z wave switch for my automation system. Hard part is figuring how to keep the fan running after the heat stops.

paradoxical3 · Jan 9, 2017

Can this be wired to a 4 prong dryer plug? Thanks!

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