So I brought home Walker 93655 & 93632 floor jacks today

WWheeler · Jan 2, 2017

Saw this add on CL and couldn't pass it up even though it was more than a 2hr drive away. $75 for a Walker 2 ton 93655 and $50 for a 1-1/2 ton 93632. Both will pump up and down but both are going to need a little work, but all in all I don't think I did too bad.

The previous owner says that the 2 ton "often leaks fluid when under pressure". I didn't see it leak anything but I also didn't try and put a load on it yet. He says about the 1-1/2 ton that it "works well, but does not hold a lift steady in cold weather", and likewise I didn't put a load on it but it is missing a filler cap - has a plastic tube shoved down in it - and fluid was coming out as I pumped it up and as I let it down.

So, seems that both of them are due for a rebuild, and it's not something I've done before so I'm going to debate for a while whether it's something I want to try to tackle myself or have someone else do for me. I'm not in a hurry but will start gathering info on costs and what all is involved either way.

I do hope Hiball bounces in as I likely could use a bit of advice from him. I did find some useful info so far. This post detailing a rebuild of the 1-1/2 ton:

Walker 93632 Jack Rebuild
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80165

And I found Walker PDFs of the exploded parts list for both of them online.

Walker Jack Parts Sheet: Models 93630 & 93632
http://www.hcrcnow.com/uploads/drawings/Walker_93630_Series_B_Hydraulic_Service_Jack_1.5_Ton.pdf

Walker Jack Parts Sheet: Models 93655 (was J132), 93656 (was J132R) & 93657 (was J134)
https://ohiohydraulic.com/pdfs/93657J SERIES.pdf

I'm also not sure of the age of either one of these. Perhaps some else here will have some idea?

It was dark when I got home but I took a few pics anyway after giving both of them a real quick light clean up as both were pretty dirty, and still are.

Attached are a few pics of the Walker 2 ton 93655.

WWheeler · Jan 2, 2017

And here's a couple pics of the 1-1/2 ton 93632

WWheeler · Jan 2, 2017

Anywho, my first thoughts are the 2 ton is huge and heavy. I didn't put a tape on it but it's got to be 4 foot or longer and getting it up and into or out of a pickup by myself is definitely a no go. I like how the handle has three different positions you can crank the jack up from: standing up, about halfway leaned back, and just about horizontal to the floor.

The 1.5 ton looks to be about the same thing as more recent Hein Werner or Snap On floor jacks. If I'm not mistaken Walker somehow became Hein Werner and they were the OEM for Snap On. I'm hopeful someone will correct me if I got that wrong.

wkndwarrior29 · Jan 3, 2017

Nice buy.

ex-x-fire · Jan 3, 2017

You did good!

6PTsocket · Jan 3, 2017

WWheeler said:
Anywho, my first thoughts are the 2 ton is huge and heavy. I didn't put a tape on it but it's got to be 4 foot or longer and getting it up and into or out of a pickup by myself is definitely a no go. I like how the handle has three different positions you can crank the jack up from: standing up, about halfway leaned back, and just about horizontal to the floor.

The 1.5 ton looks to be about the same thing as more recent Hein Werner or Snap On floor jacks. If I'm not mistaken Walker somehow became Hein Werner and they were the OEM for Snap On. I'm hopeful someone will correct me if I got that wrong.

The Walkers were also painted green and sold as Ajax. My 1 1/4 ton looks like yours. It also has a sticker on it that says " Rebuit with genuine Walker parts "

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123Go · Jan 9, 2017

Ok' Im seriously jealous & mad, even sad that I missed out on these but I'm so glad a GJ member got them first.. :beer:

. Good 4 you bro'', what a great find!!
WWheeler' you can send HiBall a pm & he'll have the correct kits I believe? My understanding is Hiball travels a lot so it may be awhile before he gets back with you but he normally will get back to you at some point if you shout.
Lazzar's HCRCNow.com kits will fix you up well and may be quicker and you found them already but Hiball can be cheaper if you can wait on it?

Walker Jack Identification help???

http://www.hcrcnow.com/uploads/drawings/walkerlincolnserialnumbersystem.pdf

Located that here with other info. (see- Walker Lincoln - Serial Number System)

http://www.hcrcnow.com/drawings/lincoln-walker

Fair Warning: I read during jack teardown on these unless you simply must, "Do Not Remove The Cylinder Case From The Main Block Assembly" only remove the ram & seals from inside the cylinder...The cylinder case on these are factory torqued to 700 lbs into the block assembly and many people have distorted the cylinder case on removal simply destroying it. I wouldn't chance it, I'd degrease it really good and add a bead of silicone at the base but that's just me.
The cylinder spanner tank nut is torqued to 300 lbs and is enough work by itself.

fwiw- Some old history about the jacks name changes a GJ member posted years ago on these jacks that may be interesting to some readers.
Walker started in the 40's with this design and it's not changed much at all and what has changed was only for the better according to Hiball himself. This post was in 2008 before the 2015 model (HW) started just stating ("Assembled" in USA) instead of ("Made" in USA).
Not sure how or what has changed at all today on it except quality of foreign parts/machining, I doubt design has changed at all? These are not the cheap O-ring specials made today they have hydraulic cup seals on the ram.
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From: Jack guy
12-10-2008, 03:19 PM

As a service center and distributor for jacks, among other items, for over 50 years, I beg to differ on some of the statements I've seen here. First there was Walker Jacks that was bought by Lincoln Automotive. These jacks were private labeled to Snap-On, NAPA, Sears, Ajax and others.

Hein-Werner bought Blackhawk in the 80's and Lincoln bought both of them in the early 90's. Many good jacks were dropped by Lincoln and some were painted blue and called Lincoln and some Lincoln were painted red and sold as Blackhawk.

Lincoln tried to manufacture overseas to compete with the imports and lost their butts. They sold out to Clore Manufacturing in the late 1990's that stilled tried to do manufacturing overseas and used the Marquette name.

The group that had owned Lincoln did not want the new company associated with them and therefore would not allow the use of the Lincoln name. Clore did no better using the Asian manufactures and looked for a buyer.
Along came Shinn Fu in the mid-2000's and bought the automotive jack business from Clore. Again, Clore did not want Shinn Fu to use Marquette name, they could not use the Lincoln name but they could use the Blackhawk and Hein-Werner names. Blackhawk had become a line of import jacks and was kept that.

So Shinn Fu America used the Hein-Werner name to market the jacks they started making in the USA again. They even brought the jacks being made in Mexico back to within the US borders. I hope I have not bored anyone but thought I would straighten out what was being said.

The current US made jacks appear to be ever bit as good as the old Walkers and Lincolns. Oh, the guy that had the 4.5 ton Lincoln, that was a 4-ton. Walker and Lincoln did not make 1/2 sizes like the Import companies except for the older 1.25 and 1.5 short chassis floor jacks. In the long chassis jacks there was a 2, 4 and 10-ton jack.
Before Lincoln sold out to Clore they made a 3-ton short chassis jack that was US made, only dies they still had in the US. They still make the 3-ton. Prior to that the largest short chassis jack Lincoln or Walker made was the 2-ton or the special 2.5 ton for Snap-On. Thanks and have a good day.
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Post located here at GJ:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-10055.html
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I've always believed if today's HW's had "100% Made In USA" stated on the label, it would be a huge seller but Shinn fu can't understand this for anything at all.
But when so many people truly believe a pos Harbor Freight jack is real high quality and will last 10-15 years, maybe not huh?

Fantastic find here, very happy for you WWheeler :bounce:

Maui · Jan 9, 2017

123Go,

Thanks for clearing up the history on these jacks. Very interesting!

Maui

seanh303 · Jan 9, 2017

Congrats on an awesome find! Those will be bada** once you rebuild them and paint them up. And you caused some great info on this topic to be brought to the top again. Short, sweet, epic thread.

WWheeler · Jan 9, 2017

Thank you 123Go for that post with the links and all that great info.

I have had a bit of a back and forth with Hiball. Great guy! He's answered a few questions, and though he's not currently selling kits or working on jacks like he used to (I believe he's got a toddler that's his focus these days) but he does have a 'Hydraulic Parts Supply' in his sig with a phone number that he recommends.

In the near future I've got a couple weeks of overtime it looks like and another project to wrap up before I get started digging into these jacks. I'll probably have a go at the smaller 93632 first since I have seen that it is actually leaking and I've found more info about it regarding a teardown and rebuild so far than I have the other. In addition to the 'Walker 93632 Jack Rebuild' thread I mentioned above there's also a couple vids that smwalker posted links to on another recent 'Walker 93652' thread that are worth mentioning here too.

smwalker said:
Couple videos I found useful are these:

This one shows you how to quickly get the pump out the simple way:
(BTY these guys are in NY I believe if you just want to exchange out your pump)

THen this one is a guy tearing his apart. It's not great because it is his first time doing it as well but you can get an idea of whats needed.

Eventhough my rebuild kit came with new balls for the valves I skipped that step because they are so hard to get out the the slots and you need some specialized tools to remove the caps and unscrew the valves.

Pay close attention to the asterisks in the parts listing that Hiball linked to above. Those are the parts that will get replaced with any rebuild kit you buy. I found this manual to be a bit more clear:
http://www.hcrcnow.com/uploads/drawings/hein_werner_hw93652_floor_jack_3_ton.pdf

123Go · Jan 11, 2017

Great info WWheeler, sounds like you are well on your way to being a hydraulics man soon...
Ya' Hiball will be pretty busy for a while there, glad your getting the info/parts you need lined out on the smaller 632.
I didn't know he stopped selling for now as I have not kept up on here, been too busy at the home front...
You will be fine on them both I'm sure with Hiball around for answers too you'll have it made.

The long frame rebuild threads do seem to be rare on GJ and we need a step by step on them done..hint hint...lol..
wth' someone has to do it right?

The link below may help you out more on the small Walker...
As you now learned but I'll remind folks here to ignore the stickers as it is the same jack.
I also advise anyone who wants to keep it to save it to their PC for later on..Never know how long these may stay up although it's been here a long while it may be long gone tomorrow?
Peace!

Walker floor jack rebuild...
http://rods-n-kustoms.com/tech/Rebuilding-a-Hydraulic-Floor-Jack.pdf

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6PTsocket · Jan 11, 2017

123Go said:
Ok' Im seriously jealous & mad, even sad that I missed out on these but I'm so glad a GJ member got them first..[emoji481] . Good 4 you bro'', what a great find!!
WWheeler' you can send HiBall a pm & he'll have the correct kits I believe? My understanding is Hiball travels a lot so it may be awhile before he gets back with you but he normally will get back to you at some point if you shout.
Lazzar's HCRCNow.com kits will fix you up well and may be quicker and you found them already but Hiball can be cheaper if you can wait on it?

Walker Jack Identification help???

http://www.hcrcnow.com/uploads/drawings/walkerlincolnserialnumbersystem.pdf

Located that here with other info. (see- Walker Lincoln - Serial Number System)

http://www.hcrcnow.com/drawings/lincoln-walker

Fair Warning: I read during jack teardown on these unless you simply must, "Do Not Remove The Cylinder Case From The Main Block Assembly" only remove the ram & seals from inside the cylinder...The cylinder case on these are factory torqued to 700 lbs into the block assembly and many people have distorted the cylinder case on removal simply destroying it. I wouldn't chance it, I'd degrease it really good and add a bead of silicone at the base but that's just me.
The cylinder spanner tank nut is torqued to 300 lbs and is enough work by itself.

fwiw- Some old history about the jacks name changes a GJ member posted years ago on these jacks that may be interesting to some readers.
Walker started in the 40's with this design and it's not changed much at all and what has changed was only for the better according to Hiball himself. This post was in 2008 before the 2015 model (HW) started just stating ("Assembled" in USA) instead of ("Made" in USA).
Not sure how or what has changed at all today on it except quality of foreign parts/machining, I doubt design has changed at all? These are not the cheap O-ring specials made today they have hydraulic cup seals on the ram.
=========

From: Jack guy
12-10-2008, 03:19 PM

As a service center and distributor for jacks, among other items, for over 50 years, I beg to differ on some of the statements I've seen here. First there was Walker Jacks that was bought by Lincoln Automotive. These jacks were private labeled to Snap-On, NAPA, Sears, Ajax and others.

Hein-Werner bought Blackhawk in the 80's and Lincoln bought both of them in the early 90's. Many good jacks were dropped by Lincoln and some were painted blue and called Lincoln and some Lincoln were painted red and sold as Blackhawk.

Lincoln tried to manufacture overseas to compete with the imports and lost their butts. They sold out to Clore Manufacturing in the late 1990's that stilled tried to do manufacturing overseas and used the Marquette name.

The group that had owned Lincoln did not want the new company associated with them and therefore would not allow the use of the Lincoln name. Clore did no better using the Asian manufactures and looked for a buyer.
Along came Shinn Fu in the mid-2000's and bought the automotive jack business from Clore. Again, Clore did not want Shinn Fu to use Marquette name, they could not use the Lincoln name but they could use the Blackhawk and Hein-Werner names. Blackhawk had become a line of import jacks and was kept that.

So Shinn Fu America used the Hein-Werner name to market the jacks they started making in the USA again. They even brought the jacks being made in Mexico back to within the US borders. I hope I have not bored anyone but thought I would straighten out what was being said.

The current US made jacks appear to be ever bit as good as the old Walkers and Lincolns. Oh, the guy that had the 4.5 ton Lincoln, that was a 4-ton. Walker and Lincoln did not make 1/2 sizes like the Import companies except for the older 1.25 and 1.5 short chassis floor jacks. In the long chassis jacks there was a 2, 4 and 10-ton jack.
Before Lincoln sold out to Clore they made a 3-ton short chassis jack that was US made, only dies they still had in the US. They still make the 3-ton. Prior to that the largest short chassis jack Lincoln or Walker made was the 2-ton or the special 2.5 ton for Snap-On. Thanks and have a good day.
..
Post located here at GJ:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-10055.html
========end =====

I've always believed if today's HW's had "100% Made In USA" stated on the label, it would be a huge seller but Shinn fu can't understand this for anything at all.
But when so many people truly believe a pos Harbor Freight jack is real high quality and will last 10-15 years, maybe not huh?
Fantastic find here, very happy for you WWheeler

I don't follow what you are saying about the resivoir tank. The bottom of the tank sits in a groove in the pump body. The ram cylinder has flange at the top, that has rwo notches it, that you describe as the spanner nut. When you screw in the ram cylinder the tank is pressed and hopefully sealed between the flange and the pump base. Where do you get 700ft lbs and 300ft lbs? There is only one thing being tightened that creates a seal at both ends of the tank. It is not much different than any bottle jack. Later Hein Werner jacks like my 2 ton recommended Loctite 515 flange sealant to guard against leaks but that is obviously only usable if you take it apart. Another problem with taking it apart is having to fabricate a two finger socket from an impact socket to remove and replace the flanged ram cylinder. Any other method will make a mess. Ask me how I know.

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Burgerkong · Jan 12, 2017

Here's my thread on my Walker(s): http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=301261

123Go · Jan 12, 2017

Hey' 6ptsocket, glad someone is really reading here..

Indeed the oil reservoir is held down by the spanner nut and spec'd at 300 ft lbs. I should have wrote Ram Cylinder or simply Cylinder I shouldn't have used case to describe it.
The main Ram Cylinder is torqued to 700 ft lbs into the block assembly and gets destroyed a lot while removing to be clear. So don't do that...lol
I don't know why I used case, sorry guys.. :eyecrazy:

Mentioned in Walker tips here:
http://www.iserv.net/~wmogrady/lube/jack/walker/walker.html

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So I brought home Walker 93655 & 93632 floor jacks today

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