Jeff's 40x80x12 Shop & Living Quarters

Jeff Scott · Mar 2, 2017

Hi Folks,

I just signed a contract to construct my 40x80x12 Pole Barn Shop with Living Quarters. The builder is 8 weeks out on construction, they are very busy this time of year, especially with the mild winter we've had in Oklahoma.

Here's the view from the back of the property looking East. We have 10 acres.

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Here's a shot of where the shop will go. Four T-posts mark the spot. There's about a 16 inch drop in grade from front to back. I'm hiring a guy to build a pad before construction begin.

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This picture shows the drop in grade

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Here's a rendition of how the building should look:

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And the Floorplan. Living quarters could be built out more if needed.

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The shop part of the building will be used for Metal fabrication/welding and Woodworking. I will put them at opposite ends as they don't play well with each other. I'll post more picture once the pad work begins shortly before the construction.

Thanks for looking.

zmotorsports · Mar 2, 2017

Gonna be nice.

Subscribed.

Mike.

darkstar88 · Mar 2, 2017

It looks promising! Good luck!

Nighttrain · Mar 2, 2017

That's going to be nice. I have a 40x60 and wish I could have gone to 80'. One thing I do wish I did was to have the big doors have a dog ear? finish. Instead of the standard 90* corners at the top of the opening they do a 45*. I think it really helps to make it look less boxy. Looking forward to pictures of the build.

Jeff Scott · Mar 3, 2017

Thanks Guys. Next up is the pad construction. I'm going to hire out a pad guy to do it. The ground slopes from the Front of the building to the back at -18" . Not sure how many truck loads of soil that is.

Were probably going to wait until right before the crew shows up to sink the poles.

ATC · Mar 3, 2017

Looks great! The rendition is nearly exactly what I want (I think I'd be limited to a smaller size however...)

Missionman60 · Mar 3, 2017

Jeff your plans are similar to what I am doing with my 40X120X15 barnaminium. Looking forward to following along.

OutlawDrifter · Mar 3, 2017

Should be a nice size to work out of.

JCarp90 · Mar 3, 2017

I like it! Subscribed.

Organized_Garage · Mar 3, 2017

Looking forward to seeing the progress. Subscribed.
Have a great weekend everyone!

Jeff Scott · Mar 4, 2017

Missionman60 said:
Jeff your plans are similar to what I am doing with my 40X120X15 barnaminium. Looking forward to following along.

I've been following your build Missionman, very impressed with it.

Jeff Scott · Mar 4, 2017

Thanks for all the subs guys. Once the build gets going, I'll have lots of pictures and some drone video of the build.

So, those of you that have built pole barns, did you build a pad (dirt) and what did it run?

Missionman60 · Mar 5, 2017

Jeff Scott said:
Thanks for all the subs guys. Once the build gets going, I'll have lots of pictures and some drone video of the build.

So, those of you that have built pole barns, did you build a pad (dirt) and what did it run?

Jeff, on mine the pad had to be large for the 40X120 building and the slope was 5" from one end to the other. The cost was 12k

TomcoPDR · Mar 5, 2017

tuned in, keep the pics coming

Jeff Scott · Mar 13, 2017

So here's a question for the forum.

I have been planning to cover the wall with 7/16 OSB due to the affordable price and painting it white. I've found a local supplier that has "liner panel" or 29 gauge sheet metal in white for $1.49 a lineal ft @ 3 ft wide sheets. So that's basically 50 cents a sq. ft. @ approx 2400 sq ft = $1200. OSB in my neck of the woods is only 11 cents cheaper a square ft, and then I have to paint it. So liner panel seems like a no brainer.

Pro's and con's of sheet metal interior vs. wood?

OutlawDrifter · Mar 13, 2017

With OSB, you can hang shelves, cabinets, etc, wherever you want. If it gets damaged, it's easily replaced.

Jeff Scott · Mar 13, 2017

OutlawDrifter said:
With OSB, you can hang shelves, cabinets, etc, wherever you want. If it gets damaged, it's easily replaced.

True, definitely a pro. I'm just not looking forward to painting 70 sheets

capterik · Mar 14, 2017

Having not worked with the sheet metal, I would think about the size difference, the fasteners, do you have to pre drill, do you have to overlap the sheets, cutting sheets vs cutting osb. insulation value, are you doing the installation or is it that you would just need to paint the sheets if they do it that way. If they are doing the install and you are paying time and materials, I would find out from them what the expected labor cost differences are. Either way, I like it.

bigarmzz · Mar 14, 2017

subscribed and following

MacTexas · Mar 14, 2017

Looks like a nice build to follow.

driveinguy · Mar 14, 2017

Liner steel in the metal working area, & osb in the woodworking area. Rent a sprayer for painting the osb. Easy to do French cleats on the osb for the woodworking side, shelves on the liner steel just need some different fasteners.

Jeff Scott · Mar 16, 2017

I've been mentally setting up how I want my shop to be laid out. I'm using the Grizzly Shop Planner to place my various machines. I've got some heavy duty storage racks up against the walls on on the woodshop end. All of my tools are on wheels so I can re-arrange as needed. The other end of the shop is the metal fab area. I've got a drill press, welder, horizontal bandsaw and welding table in there. I've also drawn a freestanding wall to try to confine the metal shavings and grinder grit to that area. The unused area is for future expansion (plasma table?) or family get togethers and parties. I've always planned for it to be a multi use facility. Here's the initial layout, I'm sure there will be revisions to come. This floor plan doesn't show the living quarters, fyi.

Jeff Scott · Mar 18, 2017

I had my dirt guy out to measure and estimate my pad. Looks like $2200 to $2400, which includes 15 loads of sandy loam. He does good work as evidenced by the pics and video he posts on his facebook page. The builder also said their crew were very impressed with his work, so he's hired. Going to have him build the pad just before the building goes up.

drivesitfar · Mar 18, 2017

Jeff: best of luck with the entire build. sounds like you have pros working for you that are busy because they are good not because they have personal issues or other stuff to do.

just asking and more out of curiosity are you signing a contract with the builder for your entire build including the cement flooring and what time limit is on it if there is one? any other things to tell us about on the contract some of us rookies might want to know so we can have them put in our contracts to keep builders working on our project instead of working on others and using ours as a fill in?

good luck

Jeff Scott · Mar 19, 2017

The contract includes the concrete, plus or minus their calculations for my size building. So I could have to pay more if they need extra due to the pad prep or I could get some back if they use less. I realize estimates are just that, estimates. Other than that, everything is locked in to the price. There is no time limit per se. I can push back a bit on the schedule if I need to which I may as the build may coincide with the family vacation, so two weeks delay if that happens.

Other than that nothing unusual. i plan to try to be there to help with anything during the build as much as I can but also staying out of the way when needed. :lol:

drivesitfar · Apr 21, 2017

Jeff: any progress or pictures to brag about or talk about?

hope all is well in your world.

Jeff Scott · Apr 21, 2017

drivesitfar said:
Jeff: any progress or pictures to brag about or talk about?

hope all is well in your world.

Thank you sir! Not much progress, just waiting. I should be building my pad in about 3 weeks, then family vacation for 2 and when we get back we should be starting the build, somewhere around June 7th.

I did change the steel from 29 gauge to 26 gauge. This resulted in a 2k upcharge, but it's worth it due to the 25% more metal in the building.

My wife and I did make a decision of sorts. We were going to just live in the shop long enough to build a new house next to it, but we decided we are going to live there for up to 2 years and save up some money to put in the house. We're not in a hurry. I also plan to GC the house and do a lot of the work myself.

That's about it. I'll post once the dirt pad is built and of course as soon as we get started...lot's of pictures.

Thanks for checking in!

Jeff

rs1968ss · Apr 21, 2017

Looking forward to seeing this one!

drivesitfar · Apr 22, 2017

JEFF: i'm sure the steel's upgrade is money well spent and i'm looking forward to lots of pictures as you get started. remember to take lots of pictures before, during and after even if you are too busy to post them so you can post later when you have time to show us and for your pleasure too. also might be helpful later on if you need to see something that is currently covered up.

cheers and have a great weekend

Jeff Scott · Apr 25, 2017

Added a porch today to the living quarters. 10 deep by 20 long. Faces south. Got the plumber queued up and the electrician and the pad building in about 2 weeks now. That is all for now.

And here is the latest detail of the apartment:

welder57 · Apr 25, 2017

I would change where the washer and dryer is now to the outside wall-vent will work out better to the outside. Looks great-you can get self drillers for the liner panels as well.
Have A Blessed Day.

Jeff Scott · Apr 25, 2017

Thanks for the tip on the dryer, I hadn't given that too much thought. My thought was to keep all the water supplies and drains as close to the middle as possible. The apartment will be conditioned space year round, just trying to protect it from freezing. I think I'll move the dryer across the way as you suggest.

Thanks!

drivesitfar · Apr 25, 2017

Jeff: you can also vent the dryer under the floor or up into the ceiling if you want to so you can keep all the plumbing on the same wall. maybe ask your plumber friends that are doing the job or if you are doing it you've got plenty of time to figure it out and get comments.

i'm not sure about the inside layout as it's for your needs, but i can tell you I like the way the outside looks and i like that overhang carport area too.

keep posting pictures of drawings or even your lot and anything else you have time to cause once some more of us find out you are building a metal framed building there will be a lot of member's eyes on your thread.

good luck

Jeff Scott · Apr 26, 2017

I've got a retired plumber who is going to do the DWV rough in. I'm going to help him and try to learn a trick or two. As far as the frame on my building, I may not have made it very clear but it's a pole barn with metal skin. I looked at all metal buildings and I would love one, it's just not in the budget for the size of building I want.

Thanks for all your tips and suggestions. They help!

Jeff

drivesitfar · May 25, 2017

Jeff: just checking in to see how you are doing? any progress? thanks for clarifying that you are only doing metal siding, but it should still be a great shop as big as you are making it.

good luck and ask questions if you have some or post up pictures of your land and maybe some buildings you've seen that you like just to add a little color to your thread.

Flathead Youngin' · May 25, 2017

Nice looking project! keep us posted....

Jeff Scott · May 29, 2017

drivesitfar said:
Jeff: just checking in to see how you are doing? any progress? thanks for clarifying that you are only doing metal siding, but it should still be a great shop as big as you are making it.

good luck and ask questions if you have some or post up pictures of your land and maybe some buildings you've seen that you like just to add a little color to your thread.

I got my driveway put in. It's 300 ft roughly by 12 wide. The ground was pretty wet when we put it in so the dump trucks were almost getting stuck in it. We decided to let it dry out a bit and try again. That day should be tomorrow so fingers crossed.

drivesitfar · May 29, 2017

Jeff: thanks for the updates. if you can take and post a few pictures you might also get a few more followers. and as others have done if you have nothing going on and want to post pictures of a local hot rod show, farm fresh food or just people having fun to liven up your thread you have my vote to do so while you are building this great garage/shop.

cheers and hope it dries out soon cause no fun building in the mud.

Jeff Scott · May 29, 2017

Here are some pictures of the drive and a link to a drone flyover of the area.

And the video off my Youtube Channel:

drivesitfar · May 29, 2017

JEFF: are you using IMGUR to post your pictures? you might try clicking on the paperclip just above where you write your posts and downloading pics like you'd attach pics to an email. or i think you need to change a setting to get your pictures to show.

cool video of the site with your drone. is that your house next door or are you just building the garage/shop first and then your house cause i can't recall?

is the Rocket video you in the following video? we had a friend's dad that would take his rockets to a local playfield and fire them off and the kids (and we) loved it.

that big one is huge and sorry i didn't get thru the entire video, but did you end up firing that up in the air and how do you control it so it doesn't kill somebody when it lands?

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