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Car Jump Starter, LiFePO4 or LiCoO2 Battery?

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There are two different types of lithium-ion batteries Jump Starter : Lithium Cobalt Oxide (LiCoO2) and Lithium Iron Phosphate(LiFePO4).
Lithium Cobalt Oxide, one of the most common Li-ions, has the chemical symbols LiCoO2 and the abbreviation LCO. And Lithium Iron Phosphate, has the chemical symbols LiFePO4 and the abbreviation LFP.
Which one will you vote for?:willy_nil
 
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mushia said:
There are two different types of lithium-ion batteries Jump Starter : Lithium Cobalt Oxide (LiCoO2) and Lithium Iron Phosphate(LiFePO4).
Lithium Cobalt Oxide, one of the most common Li-ions, has the chemical symbols LiCoO2 and the abbreviation LCO. And Lithium Iron Phosphate, has the chemical symbols LiFePO4 and the abbreviation LFP.
Which one will you vote for?:willy_nil
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Still working w/your $100.00 budget?

From your prior thread -

kblee27 said:
I have a Noco GB40, a few other chinese set.
But the best one I like is the Schmaucher SL1.
It has a safer LiFePo4 chemistry and a slightly higher output voltage 13.3V vs the regular 12.6V LiCo battery.
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GSteg said:
NOCO wins in terms of quality. They're well built and the clamps are heavier duty than majority of the units out there. Where it lacks is actual stated power. If you have to go with NOCO, get the largest one you can afford.
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The big advantage of Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePO4) is safety. It pretty much can NOT be overcharged and it will tolerate short circuiting without exploding.

Lithium Cobalt Oxide (LiCoO2) has it beat in every other category. The biggest win is power density (amp-hours per pound). I don't think I would leave a jump pack made with this type of cell in my car unless I was confident that it contained cells made by one of the top manufacturers (Panasonic, LG, Sony).

FYI - the chemistry is improving constantly. This is true for all 3 components; anode, cathode and electrolyte. Small amounts of other chemicals are mixed in. All very much trade secret/black magic ! :pimpflash

Neither like really cold temps (0F), but if you have to use a jump pack in cold weather, leave it attached to the battery for a couple of minutes. The discharging will warm the battery some and you will have more power.
 
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Wow, you guys are really experienced. :beer:

theoldwizard1 said:
The big advantage of Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePO4) is safety. It pretty much can NOT be overcharged and it will tolerate short circuiting without exploding.

Lithium Cobalt Oxide (LiCoO2) has it beat in every other category. The biggest win is power density (amp-hours per pound). I don't think I would leave a jump pack made with this type of cell in my car unless I was confident that it contained cells made by one of the top manufacturers (Panasonic, LG, Sony).

FYI - the chemistry is improving constantly. This is true for all 3 components; anode, cathode and electrolyte. Small amounts of other chemicals are mixed in. All very much trade secret/black magic ! :pimpflash

Neither like really cold temps (0F), but if you have to use a jump pack in cold weather, leave it attached to the battery for a couple of minutes. The discharging will warm the battery some and you will have more power.
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I'm of the frame of mind, avoid the need for a jump start in the first place.

In the 45 years I've been driving, I've only needed a jump start a hand full of times....and almost all of those times were when I was broke and couldn't afford a new battery.
 
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^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sudden battery death seems to a common failure mode in newer batteries. 3-5 years old.......no slow crank, good one start, next start, no crank. Shorted or open cell(s) is the common root cause.
 
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Then how to avoid it?

Showkey said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sudden battery death seems to a common failure mode in newer batteries. 3-5 years old.......no slow crank, good one start, next start, no crank. Shorted or open cell(s) is the common root cause.
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I have one of these and I have never jumped a car with it. If I do use it it will probably be on someone else s car. But I can tell you it works great to charge electronics when you are stuck in a hospital all day. Ive used it a few times for that.
 
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Showkey said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sudden battery death seems to a common failure mode in newer batteries. 3-5 years old.......no slow crank, good one start, next start, no crank. Shorted or open cell(s) is the common root cause.
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The one time my truck would not start in 19 years of ownership, it was due to sudden battery death. Drove it the night before, everything was fine. Battery was only ~2 years old or so. Next morning, stone dead. Nothing was left on, no abnormal parasitic draw. Replaced with new battery, and fine...still is, 3 years later.

Batteries just don't seem to be what they used to be.
 
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You are lucky to get a Car without using the jump starter until now.

mtnkrake said:
I have one of these and I have never jumped a car with it. If I do use it it will probably be on someone else s car. But I can tell you it works great to charge electronics when you are stuck in a hospital all day. Ive used it a few times for that.
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So you mean your truck are 22 years old now?

L.Cheapo said:
The one time my truck would not start in 19 years of ownership, it was due to sudden battery death. Drove it the night before, everything was fine. Battery was only ~2 years old or so. Next morning, stone dead. Nothing was left on, no abnormal parasitic draw. Replaced with new battery, and fine...still is, 3 years later.

Batteries just don't seem to be what they used to be.
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