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Here's a comparison of cheap Torx drivers

dwasifar

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Today we're comparing inexpensive Torx driver sets from Kobalt (MSRP $9.99 at Lowe's) and Pittsburgh (MSRP $7.99 at Harbor Freight). I paid $8.01 and $6.39 respectively, after factoring in a Lowe's rebate and employee discount (my wife works there), and a 20% Harbor Freight coupon.

The Kobalt set has five drivers, T10-15-20-25-30. The Pittsburgh set has those five drivers and adds a sixth in T27 size, and a storage rack, such as it is.

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The Kobalts are made in USA, apparently by Great Neck. The Pittsburghs are from China. There is no Pittsburgh Pro set, so Taiwan would be unlikely.

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Once removed from their packages, the Pittsburgh's larger size becomes more apparent. They have larger handles and longer shafts:

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The included Pittsburgh rack is malformed junk and should be thrown far away:

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The Pittsburghs have large, comfortable three-cornered acetate handles with flat surfaces and nicely curved corners. Technically they're hexagonal but in practice they're more triangular. The Kobalts have smaller, more traditional six-sided fluted handles, like any ordinary Great Neck or Craftsman acetate screwdriver you've ever seen. The Pittsburgh handle fits my average-sized hand nicely and feels comfortable to use:

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By comparison, the Kobalts are a little cramped to hold:

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I do not really have giant balloon hands, that's just the perspective of the photo as my phone camera struggles to take closeup shots.


The Kobalts have the Torx sizes printed on the handles. The Pittsburghs do not, which is a pretty stupid thing to leave off.

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All in all the casting quality of the handles is nicer on the Kobalt, but the Pittsburgh are more comfortable to use.


Looking at the tool shafts, we can see Pittsburgh advertises that they are chrome vanadium. The Kobalt set is apparently just ordinary screwdriver steel with no special claims made. This gives the Pittsburgh drivers a brighter chrome appearance, which would be a nice thing if it didn't emphasize the coarse machining:

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That's Kobalt on top, Pittsburgh below. The grooves on the Pittsburgh tips are rough and sloppy, and vary in length. The Kobalt aren't perfect either but they're still a lot better. That doesn't seem to translate to differences in actual driving performance, though. Both of them adequately gripped the Torx screws I tested them on, with about the same acceptable amount of play.


The final and most tedious test was shaft straightness. Crooked screwdrivers are a particular peeve of mine, and here's where the Pittsburgh drivers really fall down. I checked for shaft alignment by setting each flat side of the driver in turn on a flat surface, and measuring whether the tip had any runout. Five of the six Pittsburgh drivers had significant runout, about 1/8" in most cases. This one is typical:

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In those two photos, you can actually see the deflection in relation to the white paper background. The Kobalt drivers had no such problem; every one of them was 100% straight.

Pittsburgh has the price advantage, better shaped and sized handles, and you get one more driver. But they aren't straight, they don't look particularly well-made, the six identical handles don't have size markings, and the rack doesn't count in their favor, being as it's an insult to your workshop. What I really wish is that Kobalt would adopt the Pittsburgh handle design. But I'll put up with the inferior Kobalt handle shape rather than put up with the Pittsburgh set's other failings.

Verdict: Kobalt.
 
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Just an FYI, the Pittsburgh torx drivers used to be made in Taiwan. I've got the old version, in addition to the Craftsman Pro, Masterforce and others. They compare favorably and the tips were cut differently.
 

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I appreciate the review but I really don't care about the finish. Did you test them on stripping out a screw or twisting/stripping the tips?

I just looked at mine. I have a set of Masterforce, 2 Gearwrench, a few Craftsman and a couple of Alltrade. The problem I seem to run into it the tips twisting.
 
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The fact that the Pittsburgh torx drivers are not marked drives me up the wall. They've been junk drwered and I just use torx sockets because I can't grab the size I want without just trying them all.
 

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Would the HF set be usable for occasional use to Joe Homeowner? Hung on the pegboard in his basement shop waiting for that broken appliance.

I understand the pro and regular user needs better but for a few bucks it's cheap insurance to complete a task.
 
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dwasifar

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I appreciate the review but I really don't care about the finish. Did you test them on stripping out a screw or twisting/stripping the tips?
No, and I don't plan to. I bought them to use them, not destroy them on purpose. :lol: You may not care about the finish, but you might still find some value in learning about handle comfort and shaft runout.

Just an FYI, the Pittsburgh torx drivers used to be made in Taiwan. I've got the old version, in addition to the Craftsman Pro, Masterforce and others. They compare favorably and the tips were cut differently.

Maybe there will be a Taiwan-made Pittsburgh Pro set one day.

Would the HF set be usable for occasional use to Joe Homeowner? Hung on the pegboard in his basement shop waiting for that broken appliance.

I understand the pro and regular user needs better but for a few bucks it's cheap insurance to complete a task.

Yes, they would be fine for that, as long as the crooked tool shafts don't bother him. But for two bucks different he could have the better tools, unless he really needs a T27, and I don't think that price difference is such an impediment.
 

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Thanks for the review, and the pics show up a perfect size on my monitor.
 

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Clip those nails brah!

Seriously though, kinda surprised to see kobalt drivers made here. Fwiw I don't like the kind of handles the hf have. Have a set of the free screwdrivers in my roadbox. If I ever had to go into my roadbox I'd put something else in there.
 

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Pics are a good size on my phone. Could be maybe 20% smaller but pretty good already
 

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The Kobalts commit the unforgivable sin of leaving out T27. If you work on any lawn and garden equipment (chainsaws, weed whackers, etc.) they're infested with T27 fasteners.


If you have a Menard's nearby, the Masterforce set is very nice, very reasonably priced ($13.99), and is actually made in the US of damn A. Plus, they stock individual drivers and a nice mini set for wee stuff.
 

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I've got a set of the tiawan pittsburg and hate everything about them, the handles are awful in actual use and I've twisted the ends on a couple of them which doesn't make them work any worse then new.
 

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The last time I used torx (a few months ago), it was to move the pocket clip on the pocket knife, I think it was t10. So. Yeah, HF stuff is fine if you need it once every two years or so.
 

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The Kobalts commit the unforgivable sin of leaving out T27. If you work on any lawn and garden equipment (chainsaws, weed whackers, etc.) they're infested with T27 fasteners.


If you have a Menard's nearby, the Masterforce set is very nice, very reasonably priced ($13.99), and is actually made in the US of damn A. Plus, they stock individual drivers and a nice mini set for wee stuff.

Yea, I have the HF set and the 27 is the only size I have used so far. I wrote the sizes on the clear part of the handles with a sharpe.
 
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Yea, I have the HF set and the 27 is the only size I have used so far. I wrote the sizes on the clear part of the handles with a sharpe.

I have an engraver and I used some P-Touch labels too.

The lack of the 27 is maddening!!! Kobalt, Husky and Craftsman don't have it in their sets, but at least you can buy the Craftsman separately.
 

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Thanks for the comparison. I just bought a 6 piece set of Pratt-Reed USA made torx drivers for $10 shipped off ebay. They have black shafts and have the sizes clearly written on them. But they sort of look like the Kobalt ones.
 

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I have had a older USA craftsman set for decades it has the T27

and looks like this one does too

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I'll assume its no longer USA though.

Mine are clearly marked on the handle for size too.


I have a few options in "torx" More often use socket type I found most all my newest Milwaukee cordless tools also have the security type with pin so I had to get a set of them too


What about those T handle ones from HF? :headscrat.

I just bought a set with an ITC coupon for $7.99

Looks like something from Hitachi with them new green handles :D

https://www.harborfreight.com/6-piece-offset-star-drive-wrench-set-42926.html
 

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Always good to see good photos of tools. Curious how they hold up over time. Do you have a lot of torx fasteners that these will see high usage?
 
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Always good to see good photos of tools. Curious how they hold up over time. Do you have a lot of torx fasteners that these will see high usage?
No, otherwise I'd have bought something higher end, like Wera. I just wanted to have a set on hand for occasional use. I bought the HF set first, and then later that day I was at Lowe's and decided to grab theirs too and compare.
 

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OP, you did a nice job documenting the cosmetic differences between two sets of cheap Torx drivers. How about an objective review on how they perform? Rolling them around on a piece of paper and making subjective conclusions about how they look and feel isn't really a tool review.
 

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Seriously y'all...I don't have the time to do a review like this, but I appreciate that someone does.

Clarifying questions and constructive feedback is one thing, but y'all are acting like the OP charged you and didn't get your money's worth from his review.

OP - thank you. Tell us what you think of the tools. Some of us appreciate it.
 
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dwasifar

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OP, you did a nice job documenting the cosmetic differences between two sets of cheap Torx drivers. How about an objective review on how they perform? Rolling them around on a piece of paper and making subjective conclusions about how they look and feel isn't really a tool review.

Well, to be fair, I never called this a review. I said "comparison." I realize that's a fine distinction, but it is a comparison, in the sense that I am comparing what I am able to observe about the tools.

I can document price and contents; I can make general observations about handle shape and feel; I can observe that they function adequately; I can measure how straight they are; I can note any visible production flaws; I can comment on the lack of size markings, which did seem to be important to some readers. But I don't have the means to objectively quantify things like free play, long term durability, or the amount of torque it takes to break one or strip a screwhead with one. In any case, I bought them to use them for my own benefit, not break them for other people's.

If the properties I'm able to document are not important to you, I will cheerfully refund your money. :)
 

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The HF set works fine for me, never had an issue. I never really need to see the sizes as most of the time I have no idea how big of a size I need other then eyeballing the fastener. Then I walk to the box and grab 2 or so that look right, I usually pick the right one haha
 
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The HF set works fine for me, never had an issue. I never really need to see the sizes as most of the time I have no idea how big of a size I need other then eyeballing the fastener. Then I walk to the box and grab 2 or so that look right, I usually pick the right one haha

I do that with sockets more often than I care to admit. "Was that a 12 or a 13? Better take them both, just to be sure. And the 11 too."
 

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Yep, same here. When I start the job it is process of elimination and I put the "bad guesses" off to the side and end up with a pile of tools that actually work. Keeping my old mercedes on the road, I have used many a TORX drivers and bits.
 
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dwasifar

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Keeping my old mercedes on the road, I have used many a TORX drivers and bits.

Then maybe you can speak to the HF set's longevity, if it's actually the same set. How does it do? I was intending to return it and just keep the Kobalt, but if they're more durable than they look, I might keep them around. It's almost not worth going back to the store to get back the six bucks.
 

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I would keep them, I have not had a problem with mine at all. They don't get a ton of use but I don't know how they could really fail, this isn't a flat or philips head where engagement is key to driving or removing a fastener.
 

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any set that excludes 27 or the ability to ad it is a joke. like a wrench set that omits 10 mm or 1/2 is a joke. any set that skips sizes is a joke in reality.
 

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I do hex keys and Torx on folders. It's bring all or none so no missing sizes. The handles can be clunky to use but will fold over for L wrenches.
 
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I do hex keys and Torx on folders. It's bring all or none so no missing sizes. The handles can be clunky to use but will fold over for L wrenches.
I've been doing that too, up until now. That's why I'm just getting around to buying Torx drivers. Or star drivers, if we want to get technical. ;)
 

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Thanks for the review or comparison, Ill be at harbor freight this weekend to get a set of the torx (star) drivers and a free magnetic bowl to top it off !
 
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The Kobalt set in their rack. I'll tuck the others away for the future.

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