PROT SNAP-ON and BONNEY COMPARIOSN.

Autoguy · May 25, 2009

Here are comaprisons of tools made by PROTO and other manfactureres from my tool box. Much of the talk here is about SO SK..etc.

The first tools I bought was made by this company. It is popular here in the region. I sold my PROTO socket sets in the late 80s when I saw SO art deco tools especially their socket sets ratchets screwdrivers...etc. I kept my PROTO combination wrenches and some other stuff. I never liked SO combo wrenches and went for BONNEY alot cheaper and well made. I own some SO short box end wrenches and open ends.

Even compared to the BONNEY wrenches the PROT semms well made and comfortable to grip. The workmanship is great and better than the BONNEY( my opinion).

In these pictures i tried to compare BONNY wrenches with PROTO and NEW BRITAIN (They look exactly as PROTO as if they are made by them). Also I aded some shots for PROTO extensions Gasket scraper and SO.

Take my advice and go for PROTO especially their combo wrenches. :beer:

Autoguy · May 25, 2009

More photos

Blacknwhitepit · May 25, 2009

I like Proto wrenches..... I have plenty to sell... No one is buying...

Proto are good quality, I admit. However, the resale value is about 10 to 20%

-BWP

speed bump · May 25, 2009

I can't say as I would trade my Proto wrenches for SO or any other brand out there sockets on the other hand they need to do a better job with stamping sizes.

The Proto and New Britian wrenches aren't the same but they are very much in the same vein as far as wrench design goes.

speed bump · May 25, 2009

Blacknwhitepit said:
I like Proto wrenches..... I have plenty to sell... No one is buying...

Proto are good quality, I admit. However, the resale value is about 10 to 20%

-BWP

which is half the reason I started buying them. BTW what have you got available?

Blacknwhitepit · May 25, 2009

I have several combination wrenches and several open end wrench in great condition. I have advertised them here before..... I hear a lot of talk, but no one ever buys.....

I will try to dig up some of my old links.

-BWP

Autoguy · May 25, 2009

Blacknwhitepit said:
I like Proto wrenches..... I have plenty to sell... No one is buying...

Proto are good quality, I admit. However, the resale value is about 10 to 20%

-BWP

I wonder why this brand is underestimated in the GJ board :lol_hitti

. They give liftime warranty on their wrenches sockets ..etc. You can buy larger set with more wrenches at 1/2 or less the price of SO. Even used they are great finds. Really they are more comfortalbe on the hand than SO. May be It is bad luck or they aren't advertised well.

Take my advice guys their price and value will increas in e-bay and the flea markets in the coming years when USA made tools are either scarce or very expensive so stock as many as you need at least as investment to sell them later at high profit margins.

Blacknwhitepit · May 25, 2009

Tried to sell these:

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25716&highlight=proto+sale+blacknwhitepit

Ended up selling these (at a loss) on Ebay

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26721&highlight=proto+sale+blacknwhitepit

Could not sell these Proto Pliers

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30133&highlight=proto+sale+blacknwhitepit

An opinion on PROTO tools from me 3 years ago(not much has changed except Cornwell!)

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3579&highlight=proto+sale+blacknwhitepit

Autoguy · May 25, 2009

speed bump said:
which is half the reason I started buying them. BTW what have you got available?

Good stratgey. Just wait and you will see their prices will jump before 5 years or so.

Bolster · May 25, 2009

Blacknwhitepit said:
An opinion on PROTO tools from me 3 years ago(not much has changed except Cornwell!)

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3579&highlight=proto+sale+blacknwhitepit

That's an interesting read! We should resurrect that thread.

Blacknwhitepit · May 25, 2009

I like USA made tools, and several people who know me would believe I was hoarding tools by the way I collect them... However

Proto continues to defy logic.

Here are my reasons:

1. Has a piss poor resale value for a tool company that is still in business

2. Is well enough to be known by even a casual user of tools.

3. Has a lifetime guarantee, yet still no one wants them.

From a person who sells tools, I will unequivocally say this:

Proto is the worst USA made tool brand to buy for resale.

I can get more money out of a defunct company branded tool than I can Proto (Easco, Bonney, etc....)

I no longer even buy proto, even at a bargain.... A waste of my time and money....

I will post all my Proto wrenches for sale within 48 hours.... Guess what!!! I will have a great price on them and no one will buy them.......

But this could just be my humble opinion.

Ma sa-lama.

-BWP

Autoguy · May 25, 2009

The best PROTO tools are the ones with the old PROTO logo before satnley took over the company. The next ones are the ones with the new PROTO logo and MFD USA . The ones without MFD USA patches I guess made abroad (don't qoute me).

Autoguy · May 25, 2009

Blacknwhitepit said:
I like USA made tools, and several people who know me would believe I was hoarding tools by the way I collect them... However

Proto continues to defy logic.

Ma sa-lama.

-BWP

Remember what you used to say about CORNWELL three years ago :thumbup:

. They were cheap in the past and no body wanted them.

I am telling you PROTO especially the USA made ones are close match to SO MAC. They arenot as pretty looking as SO but well made and last a life time.

I have used them and never have any complaint. Proto are used by oil companies here as their first choice tools and has many dealers than any other US tools brand. At least if you are going to buy TopTull consider used PROTO and you will not regrett.

I am telling just wait 5 years period and you will see :beer:

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speed bump · May 25, 2009

Blacknwhitepit said:
I like USA made tools, and several people who know me would believe I was hoarding tools by the way I collect them... However

Proto continues to defy logic.

Here are my reasons:

1. Has a piss poor resale value for a tool company that is still in business

2. Is well enough to be known by even a casual user of tools.

3. Has a lifetime guarantee, yet still no one wants them.

From a person who sells tools, I will unequivocally say this:

Proto is the worst USA made tool brand to buy for resale.

I can get more money out of a defunct company branded tool than I can Proto (Easco, Bonney, etc....)

I no longer even buy proto, even at a bargain.... A waste of my time and money....

I will post all my Proto wrenches for sale within 48 hours.... Guess what!!! I will have a great price on them and no one will buy them.......

But this could just be my humble opinion.

Ma sa-lama.

-BWP

Honestly your Proto prices aren't that great. I can't really comment on the pliers but compared to my shop account for those nut drivers that price is over 50% of what I would pay from grainger abd nut drivers in general aren't worth much resale wise. The ratchet isn't good considering its childs play to pick one up for $25 shipped off of ebay. Sorry I think your complaining because they can be had very cheaply when it comes to common hand tools and your prices can't compete. Now if you are talking about Proto body hammers, pullers, and torque wrenches that stuff has much better resale value.

Blacknwhitepit · May 25, 2009

This is true.

I admit, I have no crystal ball.

PROTO tools are excellent quality... Things can and do change, I snapped up all the Cornwell I could when it was cheap, now the resale value of Cornwell has doubled on Ebay.... (I liked when Cornwell was cheap to buy though)

Proto prices could turn around. I don't deny this. However, I think that Craftsman is thing to grab up now.... Plentiful, cheap and still made in the USA.

IMHO I believe Proto has a low price due to difficulty to exchange. I can only exchange at a Grainger, which is 14 miles away. When I have been to Grainger before, they asked about my "business account". I do not have one, but I played the game, and so did they...., they were pretty cool about it.

Seriously, I am not trying to stick a needle in your balloon, but I believe their return policy is what holds their value down.

JMHO

-BWP

Blacknwhitepit · May 25, 2009

speed bump said:
Honestly your Proto prices aren't that great. I can't really comment on the pliers but compared to my shop account for those nut drivers that price is over 50% of what I would pay from grainger abd nut drivers in general aren't worth much resale wise. The ratchet isn't good considering its childs play to pick one up for $25 shipped off of ebay. Sorry I think your complaining because they can be had very cheaply when it comes to common hand tools and your prices can't compete. Now if you are talking about Proto body hammers, pullers, and torque wrenches that stuff has much better resale value.

No prob.

I did not sell my nut drivers here. I sold them on ebay for about $20.00 for one and $16 for the other.

I am trying to find my old link for the wrenches, trust me; I was not asking a kings ransom.

I do not believe I am complaining, just stating facts. Like I said, I will put my Proto wrenches up for sale within 48 hours, at a good price, and no will even bump it.

I stand behind what I have said, even over 3 years ago......

-BWP

Vinko · May 25, 2009

Agreed about the relatively high prices. I think you're asking too much for the Proto pliers, but hey, maybe the next guy doesn't think so. I find that I can get Armstrong from McMaster for near what some guys have tried to sell it here.

Just in general, and not referring to anyone in particular, as I'm not interested in collectible tools, really, but unless a used tool price is really good, I'm not interested. Used S-O screwdriver for $10? Forget it. I'd rather get it new off truck for $15-$20.

Heck, even some of the used Starrett I've seen here one can get pretty comparably on MSC with a 40% discount if you wait.

Vinko · May 25, 2009

Blacknwhitepit said:
I will put my Proto wrenches up for sale within 48 hours, at a good price, and no will even bump it.

I bought two larger older Proto combo wrenches last month or two from GJ classifieds. Don't recall the prices I paid, but the price was reasonable, and I was building another set.

I've probably got more Proto than anything else. By a long shot if you count sockets. I use my 3/8 Proto ratchet more than any other. More because I keep finding better things to spend money on than a nice new S-O ratchet

Next, after Proto, S-O, SK, Armstrong, and a mix of flea market wrenches of all kinds.

Tool Pants · May 25, 2009

I have some Protos....

Blacknwhitepit · May 25, 2009

Even if you believe the prices were to high, the truth bears out that I have sold dozens of items on this site without complaint to many members.

I speak only from experience trying to sell PROTO. If you have more experience at SELLING Proto, please speak up.

The classified ads I was looking for were erased early in 2008 when the Admins listened to a suggestion to erase old classified ads. That is why it is not available.

Believe what you want. It changes nothing about the true resale value of these dogs.....

Want to prove it for yourselves? TRY SELLING SOME PROTO tools online. See how much you get!!!

-BWP

Vinko · May 25, 2009

Blacknwhitepit said:
The classified ads I was looking for were erased early in 2008 when the Admins listened to a suggestion to erase old classified ads. That is why it is not available.
-BWP

Why would they erase old classfieds? Seems like it would be a useful resource :wtf:

As for high -- I just meant to suggest that $20 for the pliers seemed to me high, but what the hell do I know :headscrat

Maybe they're collectible to someone :dunno:

Like I said, I'm hardly a tool collector.

Merkava_4 · May 25, 2009

Check it out!! The Bonney's aren't bent like the PROTO's ... they're made like Snap-on!! :pimpflash

Blacknwhitepit · May 25, 2009

Vinko said:
Why would they erase old classfieds? Seems like it would be a useful resource

As for high -- I just meant to suggest that $20 for the pliers seemed to me high, but what the hell do I know Maybe they're collectible to someone Like I said, I'm hardly a tool collector.

Try selling some PROTO Online..... :bounce:

Also, $20 for two pliers with shipping included is a great price. $5 of that is eaten up in shipping. Check out the price just for a similar Snap on one. This is just what one of these new Snap on's cost.

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...&group_ID=3578&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog

-BWP

Autoguy · May 25, 2009

Merkava_4 said:
Check it out!! The Bonney's aren't bent like the PROTO's ... they're made like Snap-on!!

Tis is true :thumbup:

but believe me PROTO are well made and will not sell them even after 25 years of use.

RRmech · May 25, 2009

I think the fact that PROTO is not a tool truck brand and is not sold at Wal-Mart, Sears, Lowes, etc., hurt their visibility compared to other brands?

IMO, PROTO wrenches and sockets are world-class, but I've never liked their ratchets much.....too course and clunky compared to SO, SK, and others.
Tough as nails though!
I'm not a tool reseller, so I don't care about resale value.
I DO care that I can pick up new and used PROTO on flea-bay quite cheaply!
I never considered THAT a bad thing!?

Steve

Rickster · May 25, 2009

I've found the Proto sells well in sets and with individuals in the lagrer sizes. I've handled a lot of different manufacturers and the Proto's have a quality feel about them, but there is that Stanley connection and that makes people suspect, Also their large old-school ratchet heads while seemingly bullet-proof are also a bit clunky and not particularily pleasing to look at. Still, I have numerous Proto chrome sockets in my tool box and it's one of the companies I will replace others with. Their deepwell sockets are thinwall, strong and long. Just like the onetime cheap Armstrong and Williams people will figure this out and the Proto's will raise in cost.

Bolster · May 25, 2009

Blacknwhitepit said:
Like I said, I will put my Proto wrenches up for sale within 48 hours, at a good price, and no will even bump it.

Genius positioning, BWP! If the Protonauts are sufficiently bated, you win with a sale. If there's no sale, you're proven right. Either way, you can't lose! Ever thought of running for political office?

Bolster · May 25, 2009

Been thinking about BWP's observations about Proto -- high quality tools that don't have the resale value of Mac, Matco, Snap. Why?

Have you noticed that Proto 500 wrenches sell for big money? Notice what's different about them?

SMOOTH SHINY CHROME. (Incidentally, like Mac Matco and Snap.) Not saying that's the whole answer, but I bet it's part of the answer.

So I'll wager that part of Proto's lower resale value (taking this on faith from BWP, have not verified it myself) is due in part to its more industrial looking finish. Lot of sheeple out there who think that shiny smooth chrome from a USA mfgr = quality product.

Other thing you have to consider regarding resale value is the effect of MARKETING. People believe what they are told to believe. If one source tells you they're superior a thousand times, and another source says it ten times, who wins? Proto is not known for its marketing efforts, probably in part due to its being a red-headed foster child that gets adopted and re-adopted from Plomb to IR to Stanley...did I miss any foster parents? Something makes me think there was one more?

crankshaftdan II · May 26, 2009

Proto, Armstrong, Williams regardless of who owned them in the past were usually marketed thru Industrial or mill supply houses verses truck brands, not really aimed at the local wrench turner. All were and continue to be very well made tools and will give many years of heavy usage, new is still expensive, and as B & W mentioned used is hard to sell now as the market is swimming in used tools due to economic times. I have seen people at flea markets buy "Shinney chrome plated stuff made in the east" for top $$$ and passing on Old rusty proto, williams, armstrong and even blackhawk tools that were bargin priced! Depends on the glitz and mkting pazazz that we all face daily! Cash is king right now and bargains are out there if you are a wrencher or a collector. Make your purchases accordingly!! :shocking:

RRmech · May 26, 2009

Isn't it a shame, that you can chrome plate a turd, and sell it for more $$$ than a used industrial finish Bonney or Proto?
I'm waiting for some slickster to start selling chrome plated wrenches with built in MP3 players?

Steve

Bolster · May 26, 2009

RRmech said:
I'm waiting for some slickster to start selling chrome plated wrenches with built in MP3 players?

Thought I saw those in a recent Sears advertisement...

SocketDeviler · May 27, 2009

I've picked up some Proto to resell, nice stuff too. Tough sell. Some great tools to buy for yourself but as BWP pointed out the resale value blows. With the exception of certain items (at the right price) I will leave the Proto tools for someone else to find.

mrpowderkeg · May 27, 2009

I buy proto all the time, I have a ton of satin finished combination wrenches, a set of the 500 series (I love), ratchets, nut drivers, sockets etc... I'm a proto man, except for the ratchets and screwdrivers I'm not happy with the screwdriver set I purchased a few years ago, not like the older set my pops have, it was made in isreal, and seemed to be ill suited to most Phillips sizes, except on motorcycles and snowmobiles (why????), then they were perfect. The ratchets are course, but I haven't broke one. I like the facom ratchets best but good luck finding them locally. Proto is the best bang for the buck out there period.

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