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It'd be nice if this happened in conjunction with Stanley's nebulous plans to "revamp" the brand. I agree -- it'll be nice to have warranty ability and CMan more available. Sears is just gutted at this point.
 

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Until it's USA made I don't care if they're sold at a McDonald's drive through....(ok maybe then)
 

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That's good, that will give people something to ***** about well into the future


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I don't mean to sound rude, but the "news" of one re-branded tool being re-branded as another name or sold at another store is not "news" to me. Walking into a Lowes and seeing Kobalt and Stanley right next to eachother with the same Taiwan/China stuff (not that it's even bad stuff), or into a Menards and seeing GearWrench and Crescent competing against eachother for the same damn product makes me just wish we could have twice the selection of one in that space.

I'll be curious to see what retailers and SB&D comes up with on the warranty front though.
 

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That begs the question of what happens to Kobalt? Two mediocre brands sharing the same shelf space??
 

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I can forgive Craftsman using foreign made tools...they have always been a price point brand. What I can't forgive is the absolute **** foreign tools they have been selling.

The Craftsman name is irreparably damaged for me. I will NEVER buy another new Craftsman tool ever again. I would much prefer to buy tools from Harbor Freight...They're cheaper, quality is better, and HF stands behind their product better than CM.

What I'm saying is...there is more risk in buying Craftsman than Harbor Freight. Not only do you run the risk of coming away with an inferior product, but you run a high risk of paying significantly more for that lower quality product.
 

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The Craftsman name is irreparably damaged for me. I will NEVER buy another new Craftsman tool ever again. I would much prefer to buy tools from Harbor Freight...They're cheaper, quality is better, and HF stands behind their product better than CM.

Ever see the made-in-India wrenches sold by HF? At least as of a few years ago, they were nearly unusable. Both HF and CM have some real garbage. But both have some pretty decent stuff as well.
 

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Ever see the made-in-India wrenches sold by HF? At least as of a few years ago, they were nearly unusable. Both HF and CM have some real garbage. But both have some pretty decent stuff as well.

Don't forget the flare nut wrenches.

How's outsourced manufacturing been to our middle class? There's more to it than just keyboards and cellphones. Germany made a decision decades ago to retain more of their manufacturing base. I wish we'd done the same.
 

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It'd be nice if this happened in conjunction with Stanley's nebulous plans to "revamp" the brand. I agree -- it'll be nice to have warranty ability and CMan more available. Sears is just gutted at this point.

This will be SBD's new line ... it will have nothing to do with what you see in Sears.
 

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Ever see the made-in-India wrenches sold by HF? At least as of a few years ago, they were nearly unusable. Both HF and CM have some real garbage. But both have some pretty decent stuff as well.

Yes...my grandpa bought me a "made in india" line wrench set from HF back about 20 years ago. They broke the first time I attempted to use them. LOL.
 

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This is SBD's plan, you are going to see Craftsman everywhere, Lowes is just the first to announce. SBD didn't invest over $1 billion just to sell Craftsman at ACE.
 
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How’ That USA made laptop or call phone treating you these days?

Oh, my motorolla Moto Z phone? It's a *************. I had to warranty it in 6 months for screen burn in and the ear speaker blew. I enjoyed talking to the Indians who barely spoke English during the warranty process too. Owned by Lenovo. Don't get me started. Never thought I'd say it but I can't wait to go back to apple. They **** too but at least they're popular enough to have repair support.
 

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I think that this will be a good thing. I don't expect for SBD to turn the Craftsman line into junk (a la Kobalt or Stanley). What I do expect is that it will be what it traditionally had been, which is a middle of the road tool for a reasonable price. I think that we forget that the Craftsman name is still so strong that probably most Americans still think that its one of the highest quality brands. How many average Joe's know anything about Snap On or MAC or Felo???

I'm hoping that Lowe's models this as the top tier hand tool brand like Kobalt was when it first came out (and when it was largely made by JH Williams). We shall see though.

Either way, Lowes has traditionally been pretty great with warranting their Kobalt line. I doubt that it will be that much different for Craftsman.
 

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Nice!

Going from bashing Lowes , to Bashing sears, to bashing harbor freight, it just a few posts.

Might be some kind of Jedi mind trick in play here. :)

My guess is that Lowes thinks they'll make money Hawking a name brand that people either like to buy or like to ***** about


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Saw this in my facebook feed this morning.

Lowes will start selling Craftsman tool in late 2018.

https://newsroom.lowes.com/inside-lowes/craftsman-lowes/?sf124394262=1
I found another article on the subject with a lot of info., from CNBC. I find it interesting that Sears is allowed to market Craftsman, sourced from other suppliers for 15 years, in their stores and online. That means if SBD ups the quality, there could be low quality stuff coming from Sears, both branded Craftsman. Why did SBD ever agree to that? That sure does not help SBD improve the image of Craftsman. Will there be some marking to tell them apart? Could be they are counting on Sears not being around much longer.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/24/sta...s-lowes-to-sell-the-craftsman-tool-brand.html


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Can you give an example of a Harbor Freight product that is superior to craftsman? Or you don't know that Harbor Freight is also China made?
 

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It's actually a good move for Lowe's anyway. Their tool selection is worse than home depot
 

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I can't say I'm concerned. I haven't purchased any real tool items in at several years. I don't think I've ever really purchased any tools from Lowes. Nor have I ever purchased any Black and Decker brand items and the only Stanley items I've ever purchased are tape measures. Majority of the tools I'm looking to buy Craftsman and Kobalt don't really offer anyway. I already have a bunch of the basic wrenches and sockets of a wide variety of brands. So I won't be purchasing any more, more than likely. I've already decided if I break any of the Craftsman wrenches or sockets I have that I'm going to replace them with something different anyway. So everyone can argue about their Cman, Sears, Kobalts, Lowes, Home Depot, HF argument. I've found plenty of other brands that I'm pleased with and have a slightly better track record when it comes to consistency and quality.


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That begs the question of what happens to Kobalt? Two mediocre brands sharing the same shelf space??
Until SBD brings out the new Craftsman line from the USA plants that they are setting up to produce it, nobody can say what is coming. I will withhold judgement. They put a lot of money into this and sure don't want to make a bad impression. If it is not good value it will be an expensive mistake.


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Can you give an example of a Harbor Freight product that is superior to craftsman? Or you don't know that Harbor Freight is also China made?
The better HF stuff is built in Taiwan, where many "quality" brands get their tools. I guess you have not been following the discussions here on the long deterioration of the Craftsman brand as they source cheaper and cheaper stuff from China and India. Where it is made is not the whole picture. The Chinese can supply whatever grade of stuff the seller wants to pay for. They can make Milwaukee or Central Electric.

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Until SBD brings out the new Craftsman line from the USA plants that they are setting up to produce it, nobody can say what is coming. I will withhold judgement. They put a lot of money into this and sure don't want to make a bad impression. If it is not good value it will be an expensive mistake.


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This.

I was at the Sears tool dept. last week and asked the counterperson about what they're going to be selling, and he said they'll be carrying Stanley made.

So why have the clause about Craftsman from other sources? I have a couple of speculations. First, it may be a provision to account for existing Chiwan stock once the Stanley USA is released. Second, there have been over the years a number of design innovations and unique configurations of hand tools sold by Sears under the Craftsman name. In the event that Stanley intends to stick with primarily the hardline basic stuff in handtools, then Sears will still be able to sell some of the golly-gee-whiz pliers and other unique tool designs they've devised over the years. Something tells me that Stanley is not going to make every single hand tool design currently carrying the Craftsman name. The philosophy may then be that the basic CM hand tools can be sourced from a number of retailers, but if you want the special designed tools (like the locking adjustables, or strap wrenches, and so on...you get the picture) you'll have to go to Sears. This makes sense to me. Could be too that Sears will get a price break from Stanley that others will not have--this would NOT be public info, nor would it have to be publicized as part of the acquisition agreement.

In any event, we'll have to wait and see. Should be VERY interesting!
 

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With the modern internet ties for ProTo, SnapOn, SK, Wright, and other name brand tools; I have lost My desire to give much thought to Craftsman branded products. I am all crapped out when it comes to Craftsman.
I just get a numb feeling when the name Craftsman is mentioned, and have no further use for them.

Just the way I feel on this day in 2017.
 

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This.

I was at the Sears tool dept. last week and asked the counterperson about what they're going to be selling, and he said they'll be carrying Stanley made.

So why have the clause about Craftsman from other sources? I have a couple of speculations. First, it may be a provision to account for existing Chiwan stock once the Stanley USA is released. Second, there have been over the years a number of design innovations and unique configurations of hand tools sold by Sears under the Craftsman name. In the event that Stanley intends to stick with primarily the hardline basic stuff in handtools, then Sears will still be able to sell some of the golly-gee-whiz pliers and other unique tool designs they've devised over the years. Something tells me that Stanley is not going to make every single hand tool design currently carrying the Craftsman name. The philosophy may then be that the basic CM hand tools can be sourced from a number of retailers, but if you want the special designed tools (like the locking adjustables, or strap wrenches, and so on...you get the picture) you'll have to go to Sears. This makes sense to me. Could be too that Sears will get a price break from Stanley that others will not have--this would NOT be public info, nor would it have to be publicized as part of the acquisition agreement.

In any event, we'll have to wait and see. Should be VERY interesting!

My guess has been Sears (if they are still around) will source a lot of the stuff from SBD, they reserved the right for themselves to source stuff outside SBD if they want, likely the gimmicky tools and things SBD won't make, so yeah, what he said.
 

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I noticed this a few months ago when I first saw Stanley tools taking some shelf space from Kobalt at my local Lowes store.

I think I even asked the question here, and got shot down on the forum - somebody said "no way they will compromise their house brand".

It makes perfect sense to me.
 

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I'm pretty sure SBD's sales guys are pitching Craftsman to just about every retailer they already have a relationship with.
 

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Well I almost called this one.. That craftsman would wind up in lowes.. lowes is stupid for not buying that brand themselves and just dissolving the kobalt name in favor of the craftsman brand. I will go out on a limb and say it will be limited selection in stores. No reason lowes is willing to put their own hand tools out of business. That is unless, the deal is sweet enough that lowes feels they will make more money themselves selling craftsman for Stanley instead of Kobalt for themselves..
 

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Well I almost called this one.. That craftsman would wind up in lowes.. lowes is stupid for not buying that brand themselves and just dissolving the kobalt name in favor of the craftsman brand. I will go out on a limb and say it will be limited selection in stores. No reason lowes is willing to put their own hand tools out of business. That is unless, the deal is sweet enough that lowes feels they will make more money themselves selling craftsman for Stanley instead of Kobalt for themselves..

Lowes has $65 billion in annual sales, but they don't know what they are doing.
 

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Lowes has $65 billion in annual sales, but they don't know what they are doing.

And about $32.00 a year comes from their Kobalt cordless tools and outdoor power equipment lines. Or did you see any other tool company on earth offering Lithium packs for $10 each in a desperate effort to plead with the public "PLEASE - buy our power tools!"
 
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