Ratchet jumble pick up, 1/4 Proto oddities and more

3baygarage · Dec 11, 2018

Something told me I needed to rescue these from the left coast. This lot was chilling on ebay as a “pick up only” auction in Los Angeles, and when I inquired about shipping, the seller graciously agreed. What did I get into? :bounce:

But wait, there were 3 major surprises I had no prior knowledge of before they arrived!

Username already in use · Dec 11, 2018

Good lord! I'm subscribed... that's an amazing haul of ratchet goodness!

woody 73 · Dec 11, 2018

Great minds think alike, yes sir they do and I just chased down some poor man for an unseen bucket of nut drivers.
Tools you got to love them. :beer:

Private Lugnutz · Dec 11, 2018

3baygarage said:
But wait, were 3 major surprises I had no prior knowledge of before they arrived!

I think there's a missing question mark and a Where's Waldo? type quiz in this sentence, but I already had my eye exam this week and will wait for the answers! :lol:

Speaking of eye exam, maybe it's just me, but if you squint your eyes just a little, the way the little ratchets on the right are laid out looks like a few M60 7.62×51mm cartridge machine gun belts!

3baygarage · Dec 11, 2018

What I did see in the photos was this box and its contents. I’ll come back to that though.

Let’s check out the ratchets. The pictures showed the majority were parts ratchets, broken or gutless, some 3/8 and 1/2 but mosty 1/4, and Proto, lots and lots of 1/4 Proto. That seemed interesting enough considering where they were located.

First, I’ll start off with most of the round heads and some odds and ends.. All 1/4” drive. Lots of cheapies that are broken, etc.. Hmmm, warranty tools from a retailer? Tool supply house? Test facility? Used in industry or military? Someone’s curious broken and disassembled collection? No idea.

Brands include:

-Bonney, and its twins
-John Deere
-Bon-E-Con

-Kal Japan, and twin
-Alpha plus one different smaller Alpha round head body

-Truecraft Spain, and their twins
-Herbrand, plus a bunch of the other cheap import tri-wing no COO Herbrand

- A bunch or blank forgings, possibly Proto round heads, at least one with some misplaced knurling on the beam

-Penens- 1
-Par X- 1
-Walden-2
-Husky-5 (NB made)

3baygarage · Dec 11, 2018

Bonney, JD, Bon E Con

A smooth handle Bonney fully chromed? :wtf:

Not sure what that’s all about. Unfinished prototype or mistake?

3baygarage · Dec 11, 2018

Husky

Herbrand

Walden

Par X, Penens, Alpha (very faint to the right of the Truecraft)

Blanks (note the knurling on the beam of one)

Truecraft and Herbrand made in Spain

3baygarage · Dec 11, 2018

You guys are in for a treat if this site would wake up from the lagging funk it’s in today. Attachments is giving me a heck of a time.

Username already in use said:
Good lord! I'm subscribed... that's an amazing haul of ratchet goodness!

woody 73 said:
Great minds think alike, yes sir they do and I just chased down some poor man for an unseen bucket of nut drivers.
Tools you got to love them.

Cool. Have to agree Woody.

Private Lugnutz said:
I think there's a missing question mark and a Where's Waldo? type quiz in this sentence, but I already had my eye exam this week and will wait for the answers!

Speaking of eye exam, maybe it's just me, but if you squint your eyes just a little, the way the little ratchets on the right are laid out looks like a few M60 7.62×51mm cartridge machine gun belts!

Lol. It was like a Waldo in the auction listing. I had spotted a nice P&C ratchet amongst the crowd.

3baygarage · Dec 11, 2018

Moving on (trudgingly).

some Kal and Alpha

3baygarage · Dec 11, 2018

Over to the Proto madness

Cornwell mayhem

S-K Wayne goodness

New Britian + one Fors patent Husky below them cut off

Indestro, Bonney, Williams Superratchets

3baygarage · Dec 11, 2018

Proto
Some are used. Many look new. The dark ones look unfinished.

The edges aren’t cleaned up.

3baygarage · Dec 11, 2018

On to surprise #1 in the group photos here...

...there are 6 special short ratchets. Two are a little longer and have a rubber grip. I’ve seen these two or variations of them a couple times before. I believe a fellow member posted some on the Gazette a while back too.

Note different head on the shorter ones with a straight line over the selector.

The one with the face plate has part number C-4749-T

3baygarage · Dec 11, 2018

Proto 4750

The P&C spotted in the auction photo.

Proto Challenger round head, and identical Grants (WT Grant).

3baygarage · Dec 11, 2018

The few 1/2” and 3/8” USA ratchets. Also non working. Figured I’d spare you guys and leave out the majority which is a pile of broken Truecraft ratchets and other imports in 3/8 and 1/2”.

These came with a bag of parts and pieces, as did the 1/4 drive stuff, which I forgot to photograph.

1/2 Challenger (ground off)
1/2 Penncraft
3/8 John Deere flex head. Apparently just needs a kit like the other Bonneys.
3/8 unmarked Plomb with a big broaching flaw
3/8 Cornwell
3/8 New Britain x 2
3/8 Williams
3/8 Penens

Took some shots of the flaw in the Plomb head.

Private Lugnutz · Dec 11, 2018

That's a nice catch on the P&C paddle handle.

I don't know what you paid, I'm not asking what you paid, and I have no idea what plans you have for these, but the mind boggles with the possibilities! You are sitting on a stream of seemingly indefinite payback. People who have good ratchet guts but ugly ratchet frames, people who have god ratchet frames but broken ratchet guts. Rare oddballs. Unusual variants.

Do the empty Proto snubbies take regular guts?

3baygarage · Dec 11, 2018

Yep, they take just the normal guts. There is one more cover plate in nice shape with that same special part number. *another surprise yet to come too.

Haven’t quite figured out what I’m doing with some of these yet.

I’ll just say the price with shipping was very, very reasonable.

Private Lugnutz · Dec 11, 2018

3baygarage said:
On to surprise #1 in the group photos here..

What is this ratchet?

3baygarage · Dec 11, 2018

That’s the Husky, sorry. It got cut off in the NB group photo. CM 41 G. I’ve been trying to get my hands on some of these little Fors patent ratchets for a while. Haven’t checked yet to see what’s up with them. Parts for those that do open are non existent anyway.

3baygarage · Dec 11, 2018

The Proto repair box.

It’s a variety of parts. A number of Hi-lok gears. I did throw in the used face plate collection.

There is a pile of new plates. What the heck is a WT-3/8? :wtf:

Catfishdan · Dec 11, 2018

Wow. That is a whole lot of entertainment. I bet that proto repair kit was worth the price of admission. Congratulations.

3baygarage · Dec 11, 2018

Hah! Thanks Dan. Couple more posts to make.

Oldtuleguy · Dec 11, 2018

Too much! I am used to scrounging for a ratchet here and there. That's like a kid breaking into the candy factory. Where do you start?

3baygarage · Dec 11, 2018

^ I forgot to point out the cool little ratchet cleaning brushes above.

Well, here’s surprise #2 on the right.

Actually, two of them. Proto!!! :shocking:

Never heard of a Proto SC-4751. We all know the Plomb 4751.

3baygarage · Dec 11, 2018

Oldtuleguy said:
Too much! I am used to scrounging for a ratchet here and there. That's like a kid breaking into the candy factory. Where do you start?

Yeah, or the Proto factory! Not sure where to begin. The good news is they are small and don’t take up a ton of room. I hope to get a couple of the special proto rats going.

shanny19 · Dec 11, 2018

There’s a spring and ball in those Fors that can be a real bear without some curved shim stock.

Would be interested in one of the New Britains Fors in good shape.

Oh yeah, WOW Wow wow!!!

3baygarage · Dec 11, 2018

Surprise #3.

I saw an open compartmentalized green wood box of parts in the listing. Was I shocked when I opened the package and pulled the box out!

Have to post two similar pictures because I did a double take when I first looked at it.

Plomb Tool Co. Los Angeles repair kit

Some nos 1/2” gears and Penens selectors.

Private Lugnutz · Dec 11, 2018

Dang. That was a smokin' score.

bmwrd0 · Dec 11, 2018

A few years ago, I bought a long-handled Proto 3/8" ratchet with one of the WT 3/8 plates. I put a Proto LA plate to keep it in good shape, but kept that plate. Here it is reassembled, with a standard Proto for comparison.

Awesome pick-up Three Bay! So much goodness and the rebuild kits can't be beat. I would love to find one of the shorties sometime. Or trade?

PowderKeg · Dec 11, 2018

Wow, the repair boxes are very cool! I'd be torn between rebuilding ratchets and keeping the parts box contents intact, at least the parts that may somewhat belong.

Ole Slewfoot · Dec 11, 2018

Capt. Spaulding · Dec 11, 2018

Wow! Amazing score and some really interesting pieces in the lot. Congrats!

Username already in use · Dec 11, 2018

Very cool. The parts boxes are an amazing bit of history. What I wouldn’t give for the detent balls and springs alone! Awesome!

Oldtuleguy · Dec 11, 2018

3baygarage said:
Surprise #3.

I saw an open compartmentalized green wood box of parts in the listing. Was I shocked when I opened the package and pulled the box out!

Have to post two similar pictures because I did a double take when I first looked at it.

Plomb Tool Co. Los Angeles repair kit

Some nos 1/2” gears and Penens selectors.

I think you have earned a you ****

Shelbylex · Dec 11, 2018

WOW!!! Hide this thread immediately and submit on January 1st for GARAGE SALE THREAD!
YOU WON FOR 2019!!!

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

(if not a secret on the price, create a thread of us guessing how much you paid for it - would be quite entertaining to see all our guesses)

3baygarage · Dec 11, 2018

Thanks guys.

Lol, Shelby.

BMW- thanks for the pic. Now I know what a WT 3/8 is, and I think I do remember you posting that somewhere. The handle looks beefier.

Shanny and BMW, maybe we can talk about some ratchet trading or something.

Plombob · Dec 11, 2018

Wow! That's a score! Would you have a pawl for the 4751 you'd sell?

bmwrd0 · Dec 11, 2018

Yeah, but the question, for me anyhow, is what was a WT 3/8?

thesilverone · Dec 11, 2018

d42jeep · Dec 11, 2018

Plombob said:
Wow! That's a score! Would you have a pawl for the 4751 you'd sell?

I’m next in line! These things are fragile.
-Don

four.cycle · Dec 11, 2018

Kind of funny:
I saw that batch of stuff when it was first listed on Ebay while I was perusing through ads. Gave it a good look and thought "Nawwwww! Nobody on GJ would want that!" - so I didn't include it in the "Ebay hot deal" thread.
Go figure!

I must not have looked closely enough at the ad photos, or a lot of that stuff wasn't visible, because when I first saw the ad it didn't look like there was much there of interest other than a lot of gutless Proto 1/4" oval-heads.

You do have one in there that piques my interest, though:

If that's what I think it is, and it's operational.... those are pretty uncommon.
Unfortunately it can't be disassembled for service - it is what it is.

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For those of you who are commenting about that older Husky 1/4" drive model:
I'm not a Husky expert by any stretch of the imagination, but if you're looking for a CM41 there are no fewer than three of them on Ebay right now.
I've posted them HERE: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7588689#post7588689

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