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Homebuilt Belt Grinder

Jim Stabe

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I had some people on another thread ask me for some details on my belt grinder so here goes. I like to build cars so I have a need to remove/shape metal on almost a daily basis. I started the project about a year ago after reading about similar machines that knife makers use. The ready made ones were nice but too expensive so I began a design of my own that met my needs for fabrication on my car projects. It takes 2" x 72" belts that are very common and reasonably priced.
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The only things I had to buy were the rubber coated wheels: the 10" wheel was from Grizzly $60 and the 4" wheels came from Sun-Ray at $30 each. I had a 1 1/2 hp 1725 rpm motor in the corner off of something that I can't remember. It an ODP not a TEFC but I have a small belt sander that I made in high school metal shop 40 years ago that has an ODP motor on it and is still going strong so my grand children may have to change it out someday when the dust finally wears it out - the price was right. All the steel was left over from other projects except for about $5 woth that I picked up scrap at $0.45 / lb. The plate that mounts the countershaft is 8" x 8" x 1/2" and has a 2" sq 1/4" wall tube welded to it at 90*. A piece of 1 1/2" sq tube telescopes inside and is locked in place by a couple screws that wedge it into the corner of the 2" tube allowing the length to be adjusted. The tension wheel is on a pivot arm that is spring loaded. I played with various springs until it felt about right for belt tension. The spring tension is adjustable with a bolt on the threaded rod much like a coil over shock.


The design evolved throughout the construction as most of mine do. I originally planned on having the motor direct drive the large wheel which would give a 4500 fpm belt speed. I found this guy at Pop's Knife Supplies (very helpful and a nice guy BTW) who told me about ceramic abrasive and how much better it cuts and wears than the aluminum oxide belts but you need to run them at 6000 fpm+ or they glaze over. He also told me that if I run finer grits I need to run them slower to prevent over heating. So I moved the motor underneath and replaced it with pillow blocks and a shaft that would allow ratio changes with different pulleys. I then got some step pulleys so I have a belt spped range from 2700 fpm to 6000 fpm. A second advantage is that it gave much better access when grinding in the horizontal on the large wheel.
Original design --------------------------------------What I ended up doing
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I wanted to be able to rotate the head so I could grind against the large or small wheel and be able to turn it vertical to grind against the 12" long flat platen (I can also use the platen in the horizontal mode as well). I can loosen a nut and pull the head away from the stand and then rotate it on a 2" round tube and push it back and index it at any 90 degree position (Hard to explain - look at the picture).
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The belt tracking adjusters for the small wheels can adjust the wheels in any plane and I can get the belt to track without crowning any of the wheels if I'm grinding against the large wheel or the platen. The work rest can be set at any angle and will work in either the horizontal or vertical position.


The black tube on the stand swings up and acts as a lever to be able to move the machine around. I put a separate plug on the motor so I could remove it without having to undo the wires from the switch. The machine works well and really removes metal quickly.

More pictures in the next post
 
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A_Pmech

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Once again, nice work Jim.

Thanks for the additional photos and explanation.

Do you find the 1.5HP motor sufficient for the ceramic belts?
 

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WOW I love it! Want to trade???

Good to know that even the pros evolve their work as it progresses. I am thinking I'm going to have to do some major modifications to mine.

I especially like how you can swing yours around and reconfigure it as you need.

When I first saw this machine I thought it was some top end pro model I'd never heard of, I was guessing it was a Bader or something.
 
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Jim Stabe

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Once again, nice work Jim.

Thanks for the additional photos and explanation.

Do you find the 1.5HP motor sufficient for the ceramic belts?
If I really lay into a heavy bar I can slow the motor down but it can remove metal at a very rapid rate without applying all that pressure. If you want to use it hard it could use twice the power. Like I said before, I can grind a full radius on the end of a 1" wide by 1/2" thick bar in less than 30 seconds - that's fast enough for me.
 
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Jim Stabe

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WOW I love it! Want to trade???

Good to know that even the pros evolve their work as it progresses. I am thinking I'm going to have to do some major modifications to mine.

I especially like how you can swing yours around and reconfigure it as you need.

When I first saw this machine I thought it was some top end pro model I'd never heard of, I was guessing it was a Bader or something.
You're going to make me blush, thanks.

Jim
 

r6_cannibal

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That's a great looking machine, that's really cool you were able to use mostly things that were sitting around your shop. I agree that being able to rotate the entire thing is quite ace. Great work! :thumbup:
 

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Great build. A belt grinder has always been on my list of projects. Currently i just use a belt sander, clamped vertical in a vise which is a poor imitation of a true grinder.

Unfortunately, we dont have Grizzley up here (And they refuse to ship to canada) And sun rays prices for their large contact wheels will quickly drive this project out of my price range.

Are there any alternatives for contact wheels that are reasonable? I saw on another forum that a guy used boat rollers as wheels, but im wondering how they'd track?

What about steel or urethane covered castor wheels? Will these work without a crown? Tracking is my main concern. A few years ago i could have just out some aluminum on the lathe and turned them out in a couple hours, however i no longer have access to a lathe:mad:

Any ideas for cheap rollers?
 
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Here's another version:

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I haven't ever seen one of these, that thing looks damn useful. Nice job, if it weren't for the title I also would have assumed it was a commercially built tool.
 
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Jim Stabe

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Are there any plans for this? This is a nice machine.
I don't make drawings for things I make, I just start in laying them out on my work table - sorry. I hated drafting when I took it in high school, probably scarred me for life. If you really want to build one, you could do it the way I did using the pictures and descriptions in this thread.

I also did a simpler one for 1" x 42" belts that is somewhat similar to what Packard showed. It uses a 1 hp pool pump motor. I had the cast aluminum wheels from a sander I made in metal shop in high school and built a new frame for last year. You could probably use caster wheels and crown them.

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Some great work there. You really can't beat this home-built gear. I am building a power hacksaw at the moment. It is amazing the engineering challenges you hit with something so simple. Arms over rotating, belts slipping etc.

What are you using to cut your steel?

PS: I really like your belt tensioner! Fantastic work.
 

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Fantastic work there Mr. Stabe. Very impressive and inspiring project. I now know what I will be doing next winter. Thanks for posting
 
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Jim Stabe

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Some great work there. You really can't beat this home-built gear. I am building a power hacksaw at the moment. It is amazing the engineering challenges you hit with something so simple. Arms over rotating, belts slipping etc.

What are you using to cut your steel?

PS: I really like your belt tensioner! Fantastic work.

I use a 14" Porter Cable dry cut saw for almost everything I do now. The thing cuts like butter and is faster than any other way I have found. One of the best tool buys I've made.

Fantastic work there Mr. Stabe. Very impressive and inspiring project. I now know what I will be doing next winter. Thanks for posting

Beautiful work! :bowdown::thumbup:
Thanks to you both.
 

cdent

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There are quite a few plans for 2"x72" belt grinders available if someone does a quick search for them around knife maker supply places and websites.

Some designs are refined a bit to put most of the running belt low and behind the machine so that it's easier to get on top of and see the work. For a homemade grinder, I wouldn't scrimp on the different wheels. Great pics and nice grinder Jim.
 
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