Ashman's Off Road Shop 40x60X16 stick and stucco Arizona

ASHMAN_AZ · Aug 2, 2019

Today it begins first down payment for the detached 40ft wide, 60 deep and 16ft interior height garage. Construction type: Monolithic slab 6in thick, 2x6 stick construction, stucco and flat roof. Built for off road toys, RV storage, vehicle maintenance and metal fab. I have been lurking this forum for many years learning and collecting ideas. Thanks for the help and time you put into you builds, hopefully my build helps the next guy.

To start my planning I had to buy a house with good land, flat, dry and buildable. The House came naked, no drive ways, walls or landscaping, 1.25 acre, a corner lot with nothing but state trust (state land) across the street from our side yard and we live off the main trail head for vail AZ trails...

but my wife didn't like some of the features of the house so the past 5 years Ive been building up the house and will quickly catch you up on those projects that lead up to the shop build.

ASHMAN_AZ · Aug 2, 2019

The first big mod to the house was fireplace removal, Carpet removal and foundation repair preparing for engineered wood flooring install.. Silka fix epoxy with sand was used to bond and repair the foundation.

rixtrix1 · Aug 2, 2019

Well, you definitely have plenty of flat land for the shed. should be an interesting build. Make sure to tease us with toy pics occasionally.

ASHMAN_AZ · Aug 2, 2019

The glue down engineered wood flooring is a PITA to install, I could do three wide 15in in about an hour across the long length of the room.

ASHMAN_AZ · Aug 2, 2019

Intermission Toy tease?

Ill start with some older lineup pics from several years back of my ultra4 buggy, wife's wild cat and son's Jeep MJ and BMX big air. Rock crawling, desert and dunes. Soon my daughter will be ready to get her first jeep.

ASHMAN_AZ · Aug 2, 2019

Next big house project was the big pour..... a 6800 sq ft wrap around driveway. its 22 ft wide at the front door so you can park and fit throught traffic and 15ft wide at the legs. It is tan colored with a rock salt and sweat finished.

ASHMAN_AZ · Aug 2, 2019

Back to keeping mamma happy projects, the dreaded kitchen remodel... take how old you feel and add 10

ASHMAN_AZ · Aug 2, 2019

Next project was the girl shop... a craft/paint studio.

rixtrix1 · Aug 2, 2019

Cool toys. Looks like fun.

ASHMAN_AZ · Aug 2, 2019

Lets take a break from the girl build pics. As a 2nd generation car guy, when my dad needs help to upgrade his 68 Camaro SS 502 to EFI you need to video the test drive...

What does this forum use to embed videos?

ASHMAN_AZ · Aug 2, 2019

In our zone the 2nd structure can not exceed 70% the foot print of the primary structure. So to fit the shop I needed to grow the house foot print. We had a small porch and to make it larger required a full demolition to add 1000 sq ft. The new porch spans 65ft on the south end of the house, 6ft wide at the narrow end and 22 ft deep at the door.

ASHMAN_AZ · Aug 2, 2019

Porch build continued. Im a big Audio enthusiast, I need my tunes so I designed two 6th order bandpass bass enclosures to hide in the porch ceiling loaded with sundown SA12s 25hz to 65hz and 8 polk 8in two ways in the ceiling. Welded up a swing out TV mount and refinish a used bar to integrate the kegerator.

ASHMAN_AZ · Aug 2, 2019

After the porch build I sold the ultra4 rock crawler and last weekend picked up a used class 1 desert car. Now Ive got you all caught up time to start shop talk.

testwerke · Aug 2, 2019

Nice job on the floor. Love that paneled fridge and the can lights on the patio!

ASHMAN_AZ · Aug 2, 2019

testwerke said:
Nice job on the floor. Love that paneled fridge and the can lights on the patio!

The LED can lights are 7W each, 12 of them on a dimmer, 2400K color temp with 90+ CRI. They seal tight to the drywall so no bugs get in them. Even dimmed they can be more light than we need so we use the three fan light halogens when we want it darker for night time TV watching.

ASHMAN_AZ · Aug 2, 2019

First step of planning my shop was to study my local zoning restrictions.
In my area a CR-1 zone the 2nd structure can not exceed 70% the primary structure foot print including covered patios and garage.

Our set backs are 4ft from the side yard and can not be closer than 3ft to the primary structure and height needs to be less than 24ft.

I can only fit 40ft wide with about 4in of margin between the house and the 4ft set back. I chose 60ft deep so I could pull the 40ft motor home in and still have room around the RV. Our RV with trailer is 70ft long and if I made the shop 80ft long the *** would be too close to the rear property line to be able to make the turn and pull through. at the shorter 60ft length I can drive the 70ft long rv and trailer through the rear door and out the front door for easy loading and unloading of toys.

Garage doors: one 16X14tall in the rear with side road access. Two 14ft tall doors in the front that connect to the driveway. the two front doors are at a 90 degree to the existing 3 car garage doors. Side man door points directly at the porch cover and will be past the two post lift on that garage door.

I modeled the layout in sketchup and made many iterations, this was one of my first iterations but not the final design.

ASHMAN_AZ · Aug 2, 2019

I hired a surveyor to identify my exact property line, a drafter to draw up the details of the plans, a structural engineer for lateral load calculations (walls taller than 11.5ft) and paid 10% down for engineering 40ft trusses.

some screen shots of an earlier draft of the plans, but pretty close to the final details. 14 sheets + truss plans + structural calculations.

DynoDave · Aug 2, 2019

Love the shop plan. Can't wait to see it built!

rattle_snake · Aug 2, 2019

Great to see you getting started. Now you can change your sig to say 'building detached shop...' Good to see another stucco/parapet/flat roof/peeled pole style building. Sounds like you have done your homework and have a solid plan. Nice work on the house, I totally understand the 'keep mamma happy'.

40x60 is huge (to me) so, I'm just going to go ahead and say it, 'you ****'.

I also built a subwoofer for my patio audio system, should be standard procedure, right? Hope you have big plans for the shop audio too.

Good luck on the build.
:beer:

ASHMAN_AZ · Aug 2, 2019

rattle_snake said:
Great to see you getting started. Now you can change your sig to say 'building detached shop...' Good to see another stucco/parapet/flat roof/peeled pole style building. Sounds like you have done your homework and have a solid plan. Nice work on the house, I totally understand the 'keep mamma happy'.

40x60 is huge (to me) so, I'm just going to go ahead and say it, 'you ****'.

I also built a subwoofer for my patio audio system, should be standard procedure, right? Hope you have big plans for the shop audio too.

Good luck on the build.

I have never not filled a space with sound... :thumbup:

TTMotorsports · Aug 2, 2019

Looks good. I'm glad up here in maricopa county my zone R-43 let me build whatever size shop I can fit. Otherwise I would've been stuck with 1500sq ft instead of 4000.

Nice cl1 car.

mikes02ls1 · Aug 3, 2019

Let me wipe the drool off the ground. I have a small 1277sqft home in Casa Grande on a .24 lot in town. I also have a small patio I built 50x10 with 8 CAN lights, 3 ceiling fans, four 6.5” Jamo ceiling speakers, and a Sonos Connect Amp. Hoping and praying in the near future I can build a detached 30x40x16 RV/Gear head garage.

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Boosted1 · Aug 3, 2019

Ultra buggy action shots are awesome.
Why did you sell it?
Covered porch looks very nice and virtually no maintenance compared to the decks so common in my part of the country.

NVSean · Aug 4, 2019

Looking forward to seeing more of your plans and build.
Is your dog part heeler?

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ASHMAN_AZ · Aug 5, 2019

Boosted1 said:
Ultra buggy action shots are awesome.
Why did you sell it?
Covered porch looks very nice and virtually no maintenance compared to the decks so common in my part of the country.

With the Ultra 4 car I finished top 20 in the king of the hammers 4400 class so the car or driver carries a qualification for a future kOH. I stopped racing and was only using it for rock crawling once a year, all other trips were dunes or desert. It can get around in the dunes but at 4,600 lbs It was a lot of work with the tight turns and constant acceleration. Selling it with the qualification made sense, first time witout a rock crawler in 19 years.

The last wheeling trip for the Ultra4 was a pretty good trip, the AZ undertakers runs are much harder than KOH.

NVSean said:
Looking forward to seeing more of your plans and build.
Is your dog part heeler?
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Both pups are heeler mix, very buzzy dogs, they stay occupied with lizard and packrat hunting and they are good at saying in the yard off leash on garage day. Good camping dogs.

Jon In Tucson · Aug 6, 2019

Glad to see another AZ desert rat build! I built a 24x30x12 detached garage last year. Subscribed.
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ASHMAN_AZ · Aug 12, 2019

On the weekend I cut back 13 trees to make more room for the shop, got a good 8-10 hrs on the skid steer rental to clear cactus and cut more dirt behind the porch. This morning the crew starts digging footers and foundation framing.

Have to dump a full 20ftx8.5 trailer load of cactus this morning, its very heavy, 3-4 tons is my guess.

rattle_snake · Aug 12, 2019

At least you din't have to apply for a permit to kill those cactus!
Maybe I missed it, did you hire a GC or doing yourself?
Great time of year to enjoy outdoor hard labor.

ASHMAN_AZ · Aug 12, 2019

rattle_snake said:
At least you din't have to apply for a permit to kill those cactus!
Maybe I missed it, did you hire a GC or doing yourself?
Great time of year to enjoy outdoor hard labor.

Took off work today to keep prepping the yard.

Made a metal supported wood plate to pull the cactus off the trailer. It came off in one tug.

I did not hire a GC this time, I hired the same laborers that built the porch but working directly. I will do all of the inspections and I am doing all of the plan updates working with the county and structural engineer. Some materials I am order and others they are lining up.

Hired help started digging the footers this morning. Have two 4ft 18in deep footers for the two post lift. Now its hot but should have more guys showing up this afternoon.

Jon In Tucson · Aug 13, 2019

Looking good Ashman. Hope the ground has softened up some with the recent rains. I still have the numbers of some of my subs I used on my garage. If you're needing any extra bids to keep your guys honest, let me know. I'll pm the to you.
Jon In Tucson

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Kdieselinc · Aug 13, 2019

looks good

ASHMAN_AZ · Aug 14, 2019

Some slap form progress from the crew this afternoon after temps cooled down

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tigerxj · Aug 15, 2019

Hey from another PBB member, used to love watching the XJ build years ago! unfortunately (or fortunately depending on perspective) school, life, wife, kids have kept me from doing much of anything with my Cherokee. I guess the silver lining is that I haven't ghetto-hacked it up so I wont have a bunch of "mods" to undo when I do finally build it.

Looks like a fun project to build a house for all the toys

ASHMAN_AZ · Aug 15, 2019

tigerxj said:
Hey from another PBB member, used to love watching the XJ build years ago! unfortunately (or fortunately depending on perspective) school, life, wife, kids have kept me from doing much of anything with my Cherokee. I guess the silver lining is that I haven't ghetto-hacked it up so I wont have a bunch of "mods" to undo when I do finally build it.

Looks like a fun project to build a house for all the toys

We still have a xj/mj build in the family, my son caged his mj pre runner, and is building trailing arms for bypasses.

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ASHMAN_AZ · Aug 16, 2019

Today the crew finished the forming and compacted the 30tons of ab. Tomorrow morning they will start the metal work. It’s been 106 degrees so we will likely wait till next Saturday to pour. Weather should drop to mid 90s next weekend.

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ASHMAN_AZ · Aug 21, 2019

Metal work is almost done, the slab prep crew is only working afternoons to beat the heat and working their real jobs in the mornings.

Tomorrow morning is the Skype pre slab inspection, we pour Saturday and temps should be reasonable.

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zmotorsports · Aug 21, 2019

Subscribed.

Great looking toys and RV.

If I could make one suggestion from a fellow fabricator with an RV, I would install a dividing wall or some type of barrier between the shop portion and the RV storage if at all possible.

When I built my 3k square foot detached I planned from the beginning a specific RV storage bay to keep any and all debris off of the RV, especially grinding and/or welding dust. I've seen too many friend's RV's end up with small rust spots on their expensive RV's due to the dust on them then getting into a rainstorm only to have small rust spots start, even on fiberglass roofs and sidewalls.

Also, maybe I missed it but I would go overboard on electrical. I put quad receptacles placed at every 6' and multiple 50-amp welder outlets placed around the shop to allow easy access no matter when I want my welders for any particular job.

Just some thoughts. Looking forward to the shop but also to the cars being built once the shop is completed.

zmotorsports · Aug 21, 2019

Also on a side note, glad to see you install a proper sized RV door. A 16' wide door is a nice size to pull a large RV in/out and maneuver as needed. I see too many of my RV friends try to skimp and put in a either a 12' or 14' wide door. While 14' is a step in the right direction, a 12' door is tighter than people think until they actually pull their coaches through it then almost unanimously they comment about how they should have gone wider. In my opinion 16' is ideal.

ASHMAN_AZ · Aug 21, 2019

zmotorsports said:
Subscribed.

Great looking toys and RV.

If I could make one suggestion from a fellow fabricator with an RV, I would install a dividing wall or some type of barrier between the shop portion and the RV storage if at all possible.

When I built my 3k square foot detached I planned from the beginning a specific RV storage bay to keep any and all debris off of the RV, especially grinding and/or welding dust. I've seen too many friend's RV's end up with small rust spots on their expensive RV's due to the dust on them then getting into a rainstorm only to have small rust spots start, even on fiberglass roofs and sidewalls.

Also, maybe I missed it but I would go overboard on electrical. I put quad receptacles placed at every 6' and multiple 50-amp welder outlets placed around the shop to allow easy access no matter when I want my welders for any particular job.

Just some thoughts. Looking forward to the shop but also to the cars being built once the shop is completed.

Maybe an RV cover or curtain, but if projects get to dirty Ill just pull the RV out and park it in the drive way until I clean up or finish that project. I think most weekends and big projects the RV will end up living out side but wanted the option to store it indoors when the garage is clean and have the option to work on the RV indoors.

My biggest need for the RV doors is when we prep for a trip it seams like im moving a whole house loading up the trailers with tools and parts. I wanted to make sure I have enough space for the trailer in the garage shaded, cooled and lighted when loading or unloading. It was not reasonable to make the shop long enough to fit the 40ft motor home and 30ft trailer attached. If I made the shop 40x80 I would loose the turning radius needed to pull through my rear access driveway. As is I should be able to pull the full 70ft trailer RV combo through the back door with no jack knife reversing.

RV restoration will be one of my big projects next year in the shop. The whole RV was wrapped for SEMA afew years back and now the black wrap is all dried out and cracking. 5 years of AZ sun killed it.

Bigblue&Goldie · Aug 21, 2019

ASHMAN_AZ said:
After the porch build I sold the ultra4 rock crawler and last weekend picked up a used class 1 desert car. Now Ive got you all caught up time to start shop talk.

Dunebuggy.com car?

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