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Talk me into or out of a BelAire 318VN compressor
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Got a budget? I believe BelAir are foreign made units, so similar units are HF, Puma, Quincy, etc...
Personally I would bump the budget up a bit and look at both Emax and Champion.
Emax is pushing the Silent series- https://www.homedepot.com/p/EMAX-In...-Electric-Air-Compressor-HS05V080I1/205904804
And Champion is a rock solid USA made compressor.
Personally I would bump the budget up a bit and look at both Emax and Champion.
Emax is pushing the Silent series- https://www.homedepot.com/p/EMAX-In...-Electric-Air-Compressor-HS05V080I1/205904804
And Champion is a rock solid USA made compressor.
NoMoreGreen
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Assembled in the US or made in the US? Not sure if that really matters to me. Budget is already maxed out with my current selection. If anything I'd like to spend less and still get the CFM I need but not sure if that is possible? Was also looking at an industrial air which is less money but may be louder. Think all the quincy's in the same price range I looked at didn't have enough CFM.
clinebarger
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From what I've seen on this board.....I'm not impressed with Quincy's quality.
*Single belt for a 5HP motor.
*Set Screw pulleys vs Sheave/Bushing style pulleys.
*Only one stage is aftercooled.
While I just recently got interested in compressor design, These are definitely cost cutting measures when compared to old 2 stage compressors.
I got something same as kobalt 80 gallon. Only mine is different color
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt-80-Gallon-Electric-Vertical-Air-Compressor/1000528985
I consider price is good because kobalt cost only a little than what I paid 12 years ago.
Runs the tire changer just fine.
Only the bead breaker uses a lot of air. It keeps up.
Set at 140 psi.
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt-80-Gallon-Electric-Vertical-Air-Compressor/1000528985
I consider price is good because kobalt cost only a little than what I paid 12 years ago.
Runs the tire changer just fine.
Only the bead breaker uses a lot of air. It keeps up.
Set at 140 psi.
Quincy is us made.......
At the price point he is shopping, Quincy is a poor choice regardless of where it is built or rather assembled.
Hey OP if you have $5k, Quincy offers a excellent QR pump.
IndyGarage
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Why not just buy a used one? I see them on Craigslist all the time around here - all sizes and styles.
I bought a used Snap-on 5 hp with a brand new Baldor 5 hp motor for $800 awhile back - it's a decent compressor.
I also bought a Champion 3 phase for my shop for $450 - it's been an awesome compressor. Even if I had to buy a new single phase motor for it, it would still be cheaper and better than what you are looking at.
I bought a used Snap-on 5 hp with a brand new Baldor 5 hp motor for $800 awhile back - it's a decent compressor.
I also bought a Champion 3 phase for my shop for $450 - it's been an awesome compressor. Even if I had to buy a new single phase motor for it, it would still be cheaper and better than what you are looking at.
Slednut
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Received a new Quincy a month ago, the bottom plug and the gauge on the pressure switch were leaking.
bochnak
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Personally I would bump the budget up a bit and look at both Emax and Champion.
Emax is pushing the Silent series- https://www.homedepot.com/p/EMAX-In...-Electric-Air-Compressor-HS05V080I1/205904804
Emax is rebranded eaton/polar air. They use saylor clones.
Having said that, I bought an eaton 5hp replacement pump for my puma and am happy with the product and customer service.
NoMoreGreen
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At the price point he is shopping, Quincy is a poor choice regardless of where it is built or rather assembled.
Hey OP if you have $5k, Quincy offers a excellent QR pump.
I don’t disagree. Just stating facts.
Marctrees
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The kobalt one looks halfway decent. The HF one was a consideration in the past but would prefer 175 max psi and an 80 gallon tank. Noise really isn't too much of a factor coming from an old craftsman 110v compressor. But it seems the more noise they make means running at a higher RPM which doesn't equal long life. Used off craigslist isn't really an option currently lacking a truck to transport it.
I don’t disagree. Just stating facts.
Fair. I genuinely thought Quincys lower tiered models were built overseas, all models are built/assembled in USA. Appreciate the input.
Marctrees
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The low line Quincy pumps are USA made ?
?
Marc
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Marc
The low line Quincy pumps are USA made ?
?
Marc
Made = Manufactured or Assembled? I honestly dont know, maybe someone with more in depth knowledge can chime in on specifics about motors/pumps/tanks. I only know from both here and firsthand experience that the lower end stuff has been subpar at best for the last decade or so.
Their site only says :
"In 1937, Quincy Compressor introduced the Quincy QR-25, which has become an industry symbol of quality over the past 65 years. These same durable characteristics are present in all of Quincy’s complete reciprocating line, which is manufactured in Quincy, Illinois.
In 1980 we began machining and manufacturing operations in our Bay Minette, Alabama, plant, where we manufacture our rotary screw compressors and vacuum pumps. We expanded the Bay Minette plant’s capacity in 1996.
In 2004, we expanded into Kunshan, China, as we opened Q-Tech Air Systems, Ltd. Q-Tech currently employs about 35 people and is expanding. This facility assembles and tests Global rotary screw compressors. The first official production was in July 2004, and the official opening of the facility was in September 2004."
Marctrees
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I KNOW that the IR comps like at TSC have chinese or indian made pumps.
I am pretty sure low line Quincys are the same.
Marc
I am pretty sure low line Quincys are the same.
Marc
Marctrees
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$ 800 more than the HF unit.
$1700 vs $900.
Almost twice the price.
Just sayin.
Did you find out where the COO is for the pump ?
Marc
$1700 vs $900.
Almost twice the price.
Just sayin.
Did you find out where the COO is for the pump ?
Marc
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"The pump is an ABAC (Atlas Copco owned) pump from Italy. The cylinder is completely cast iron (not sleeved) but it is a hybrid design using an aluminum crankcase and coolers and either side of the head. It has been basically the same design since 1949. "
Marctrees
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OK, so be aware the pump on the HF is the same company.
Now, it turns out the 318 IS a different pump than the HF.
The HF has a T29 ABAC pump, the 318 has a T39.
This is the one on the HF model -
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07G55B24Z/?tag=atomicindus08-20
This is the same machine as the Belaire 216V
So the 318 will be higher CFM, bigger tank, and a few other perks.
My interest in this is that I got the HF a while back, and was very curious how it compared to Belaire.
So I was wrong saying they are effectively the same... The 318 IS a better comp.
Marc
Now, it turns out the 318 IS a different pump than the HF.
The HF has a T29 ABAC pump, the 318 has a T39.
This is the one on the HF model -
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07G55B24Z/?tag=atomicindus08-20
This is the same machine as the Belaire 216V
So the 318 will be higher CFM, bigger tank, and a few other perks.
My interest in this is that I got the HF a while back, and was very curious how it compared to Belaire.
So I was wrong saying they are effectively the same... The 318 IS a better comp.
Marc
Marctrees
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Marctrees
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Ya, So I apologize I did not know about the pumps not being the exact same ones.
But still both ABAC Italian made ,, the bigger one has larger bore and stroke I learned.
I talked to an old time tech VERY knowlegable horse's mouth at Chicago Pneumatic about this.
Will PM give contact info to needing partys.
Marc
But still both ABAC Italian made ,, the bigger one has larger bore and stroke I learned.
I talked to an old time tech VERY knowlegable horse's mouth at Chicago Pneumatic about this.
Will PM give contact info to needing partys.
Marc
Marctrees
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The whole bizness of companys buying others... I understand that now Atlas /Copco owns ABAC, ? Quincy ? , NAPA labeled comps, Belaire, Chicago Pneumatic, HF Central Pneumatic,and some other names.... confusing.
Marc
Marc
Marctrees
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Well just put in my order with https://www.compressorpros.com/ Best price I could find.