New cordless platform, Makita goes 40v..
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I saw that, too. I have to say I prefer their current system. It keeps battery size manageable and you don't have to juggle multiple types.
I suppose in the end you have to sell what the market wants.
I suppose in the end you have to sell what the market wants.
B_Bimmer
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Makita don't need a warranty, they just work... kidding. They are good tools though.
Alpine4x4
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I love my Makitas, but theres a few tools I went with Snap-Ons 14.4v line instead just due to overall size and weight. None of that looks manageable for extended use honestly.
ChevyEFI
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Dad has purchasing analysis paralysis already.
If I tell him this, he will never replace his 9.6v drill.
If I tell him this, he will never replace his 9.6v drill.
WittHay
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Makita's dual battery idea is cumbersome or awkward in a few tools. 7 1/4 circular saws, 6" and up grinders and reciprocating saws are some.
My guess the new single battery 40 volt system is meant more for commercial users that might consider DeWalt 60V Flexvolt, Milwaukee tools that require 8.0, 9.0 or 12.0 batteries or Hilti 36V
Might be just the camera angle, but that drill looks kind of skookum to me
My guess the new single battery 40 volt system is meant more for commercial users that might consider DeWalt 60V Flexvolt, Milwaukee tools that require 8.0, 9.0 or 12.0 batteries or Hilti 36V
Might be just the camera angle, but that drill looks kind of skookum to me
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anndel
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I love Makita tools but hate their 18V LXT batteries as they're too fragile. I drop them from a height of about 3 ft onto my concrete garage floor and they're dead. Shows error in the charger. I drop DeWalt 20V Max and Milwaukee M18 Fuel batteries from the same height and they're still going strong. I wish Makita's battery cases were more robust and not so fragile.
American Locomotive
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Makes me sad that Makita is now using the "Max" nonsense too. I doubt the LXT platform is going anywhere, but I wonder what this means for the "X2" tools?
chad w
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Have you considered not dropping your batteries 3 foot onto concrete?
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I wonder how that affects charge and use time?
Well it doesn't really matter to me, I'm waiting for 120v or 240v cordless everythings.
QwikKotaTx
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That drill looks like a beast. My large LXT drill is already a pain to use for long periods of time. Loving the sub-compacts for homeowner ****.
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I wonder how that affects charge and use time?
Well it doesn't really matter to me, I'm waiting for 120v or 240v cordless everythings.
I presume you jest, but
There’s reason to stick with certain coltage options,
There are already certain power tool manufacturers who are makng “Low Voltage” series of corded power tools.
I’m not sure exactly why, although I presume it’s for safety in certain industries or usages.
The Low Voltage corded tools usually are made in either 48V or 72V.
Some nanufacturers make both.
Perles, formerly of Switzerland and now of Slovenia, is one manufacturer,
they make both 48V and 72V tools, all grinders. Both large and small angle grinders as well as die grinders.
They were supposedly the company that used to make the “Swiss Made” Elu/B&D/Dewalt tools, and they may still produce some stuff for Dewalt.
https://www.perles.com/low-voltage.html
Rupes Tools of Italy is another manufacturer of Low Voltage tools, and like Perles, they produce the tools in 48V and 72V versions, and mostly make angle and die grinders.
https://www.rupes.com/category-product/low-voltage-tools/
If the power tool manufacturers can get the cordless tools up to 48V or 72V, the tools would still have the low voltage safety factor, but might be able to benefit from crossover with an older specialty system of corded tools that is already in place.
Plus, it might be possible to make actually useable adapters for cordless tools to use cords, as opposed to some older attempts that only sort of worked with lower power draw tools like drills.
KnurledNut
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Specs on charge time for the 2.5 ah is 28 mins. The 4.0 ah takes 45 mins.
An adaptor allows charging of 18v batteries on the new charger.
The new impact driver puts out 220 nm/1947 lb-in.
The BL4025 weighs slightly more than the BL1860.
An adaptor allows charging of 18v batteries on the new charger.
The new impact driver puts out 220 nm/1947 lb-in.
The BL4025 weighs slightly more than the BL1860.
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Alpine4x4
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Which is what I currently have and it makes tools bulky. Its OK on the 1/2" impact and such since they're such big tools to start with, but its bulky on the 1/4 impact driver which shied me away from getting the 3/8 impact.
WittHay
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According to Makita Canada , XGT will be available in early 2020. Starting with the 7 tools as mentioned on Toolguyd
Makita New Zealand
I have mixed thoughts on this line of tools, not sure why a 40 volt impact driver is necessary, the 6 1/2" circular saw and reciprocating saw are improvements over current Makita offerings. The saw being blade right and the sawzall more compact than the dual battery. A 40 volt drill driver, 5" grinder or 1/2 drive impact would have to have significantly improved power or weight savings to buy into another line when there is a lot of choices already in 18/20 volt
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I have mixed thoughts on this line of tools, not sure why a 40 volt impact driver is necessary, the 6 1/2" circular saw and reciprocating saw are improvements over current Makita offerings. The saw being blade right and the sawzall more compact than the dual battery. A 40 volt drill driver, 5" grinder or 1/2 drive impact would have to have significantly improved power or weight savings to buy into another line when there is a lot of choices already in 18/20 volt
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danski0224
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This line seems to be geared more towards professional contractor use than the DIY market.
In other words, people that should be using a corded tool but can't, or want/ need cordless options. Ever been on a jobsite where you need to run 200+ feet of cord from the power point? Have to put the generator outside and still run 200 feet of cord? That's when stuff like this is needed.
Running long screws with a Milwaukee Fuel impact driver will drain a 5.0 battery quickly. The tool is heavy enough with a 5.0 battery in it, and they take forever to charge on the standard charger. This is another application for a higher voltage tool. The reciprocating saws also **** the battery down quickly and are heavy/bulky enough with a 5.0 battery, and have the same charging limitations.
As great as the current
lines of 18V tools are, they do NOT yet replace a corded tool in some high demand usage situations.
Reciprocating saw, rotary hammer (now with vacuum) and an impact driver are 3 tools that I would like to have better run time without a huge battery pack. The Milwaukee rotary hammer with a 9.0 battery and the vacuum attachment is a beast of a tool setup to use all day... especially for overhead drilling.
In other words, people that should be using a corded tool but can't, or want/ need cordless options. Ever been on a jobsite where you need to run 200+ feet of cord from the power point? Have to put the generator outside and still run 200 feet of cord? That's when stuff like this is needed.
Running long screws with a Milwaukee Fuel impact driver will drain a 5.0 battery quickly. The tool is heavy enough with a 5.0 battery in it, and they take forever to charge on the standard charger. This is another application for a higher voltage tool. The reciprocating saws also **** the battery down quickly and are heavy/bulky enough with a 5.0 battery, and have the same charging limitations.
As great as the current
lines of 18V tools are, they do NOT yet replace a corded tool in some high demand usage situations. Reciprocating saw, rotary hammer (now with vacuum) and an impact driver are 3 tools that I would like to have better run time without a huge battery pack. The Milwaukee rotary hammer with a 9.0 battery and the vacuum attachment is a beast of a tool setup to use all day... especially for overhead drilling.
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You mention using a cordless rotary hammer with a vacuum attachment. Wouldn't you already need 120VAC power for the vacuum?This line seems to be geared more towards professional contractor use than the DIY market.
In other words, people that should be using a corded tool but can't, or want/ need cordless options. Ever been on a jobsite where you need to run 200+ feet of cord from the power point? Have to put the generator outside and still run 200 feet of cord? That's when stuff like this is needed.
Running long screws with a Milwaukee Fuel impact driver will drain a 5.0 battery quickly. The tool is heavy enough with a 5.0 battery in it, and they take forever to charge on the standard charger. This is another application for a higher voltage tool. The reciprocating saws also **** the battery down quickly and are heavy/bulky enough with a 5.0 battery, and have the same charging limitations.
As great as the current
Reciprocating saw, rotary hammer (now with vacuum) and an impact driver are 3 tools that I would like to have better run time without a huge battery pack. The Milwaukee rotary hammer with a 9.0 battery and the vacuum attachment is a beast of a tool setup to use all day... especially for overhead drilling.
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danski0224
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No. Look up Milwaukee Hammervac.
DSLTRK
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I may have missed it, but are any weights for the Batts posted?
I could see the 4Ah battery running comparatively to the Milwaukee 9.0 Ah.
But the 9.0 is a heavy sucker.
I could see the 4Ah battery running comparatively to the Milwaukee 9.0 Ah.
But the 9.0 is a heavy sucker.
DSLTRK
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I wonder how that affects charge and use time?
Well it doesn't really matter to me, I'm waiting for 120v or 240v cordless everythings.
I hope that doesn't happen. I have used my Milwaukee's in rain and surely a higher potential would have killed the tool in those conditions.
mobiledynamics
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Dewalt leaves the 40V and heeere comes Makita.
JK. All I have are the OPE 40V yellows.
I used to love my Makita's. That's all I ran eooooons ago, when they were king of the hill. Then switch to Panasonic's. Then Over to Big Red and have never looked back
JK. All I have are the OPE 40V yellows.
I used to love my Makita's. That's all I ran eooooons ago, when they were king of the hill. Then switch to Panasonic's. Then Over to Big Red and have never looked back
Stuey
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They went from 10.8V to 12V Max back in mid-2011.
Technically the 18V X2 tools are part of the LXT system, as they refer to it as LXT X2 on their website.
I'm not sure users will want to pay a premium for X2 if the 40V Max tools offer more performance with less weight. So far they're saying the recip saw is 70% faster than the DJR360 (international designation for the X2 recip saw).
From the images available so far, the 2.5Ah battery looks to be comparably sized to 10-cell 18V batteries. The 4.0Ah is larger, presumably with 21700 cells or similar, and looks to be a 10-cell battery as well. That would make it comparable to Milwaukee's 8.0Ah XC battery.
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My opinion only. I can see them neglecting or phasing out the 18v platform. The reason I say this is on every forum, on their Facebook page, and I’m sure other places people having been asking for bigger 18v batteries or new cell 18v batteries and the customers requests have been ignored. Now a new line of tools comes out using the technology that the Lxt users wanted. To me if they plan on keeping the lxt line they would have released a bigger battery by now esp for the ope.
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Just my opinion that the latest greatest version of common cordless will be released in the XGT 40 volt system
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